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8 hours ago, Warfish said:

The 30th (2018) and 27th (2019 so far) rated QB in the NFL.

You clearly get very angry when people are critical of Darnold in any way.

I'd just like to see top 10 performance and production to go with this top 10 hype.

Going by the eye test of the average jets fan hes top 3. Since DVOA rates Dak Prescot well this year, that proves stats are bunk and that the eye test >>> stats.

Plus Darnold beat Prescott heads up once so Darnold >>>> Dak, and Dak is highly rated by the stats. By some demented misapplication of the transitive property Darnold is now highly rated by stats too.

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7 hours ago, Maxman said:

There is no such thing as being a Darnold homer. It is called being a Jets fan and people used to be allowed to root for the team without being called names.

Disagree. I think there is such a thing and it manifests everytime he plays poorly. The response is well the coach, oline, rb, wr te, etc etc etc all suck and Darnold is fine/great.

How is it being a "Jets fan" to trash 1/2 the team in support of just 1 player? That's what that poster from USC did for a year before leaving because she was a Darnold fan only.

Why is it not being "a Jets fan" to say the young QB with crap mechanics who is inconsistent and turns the ball over a lot is a big part of the problem too? And maybe this same team with a better more consistant QB would be playing better ? That to me is supporting the Jets as a team rather than Darnold as a player.

I understand theres a lot of overlap but far too often people who critical of Darnold get accused of not being Jets fans (which has happenned numerous times in this very thread) when in reality they are defending more jets players 

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11 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Here is the really weird thing--Once the Cowboys acquired Amari Cooper, his stats seemed to elevate tremendously, post Cooper. 

 

I'm not familiar enough with his history to comment however

1) he gets 6 games this year against a division that has gone complete dumpster fire

2) His stats were bad last year with cooper for most of year

3) David Carr seems the same post losing Cooper

4) 12 games does not a pattern make 

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1 minute ago, MaxAF said:

Brady was 19-36, 169 yards, 1TD/1INT, Rtg 63.3 last night. Just saying.

He was noticably worse last year and this year is just further dimiinishment of his skills. He'll still have a good game and /or run of games in him but he's done as an elite player

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2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

What?

I was responding to someone saying Dak has had great stats since Cooper. Since his stats last year weren't great I'm assuming he means this year, and since DVOA / Dak has been the focal point of the anti-stat'ers we only have 12 games to go on (until it's updated). 12 games isn't enough to say that Cooper alone has made Dak a darling of the statistical world

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2 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

Hard to parse for me...   He had 2 good years coinciding w/ Amari's arrival in 2015-16

Then s/p catastrophic leg injury.

Thanks for the fix. He's currently 13 in DVOA, he was 13 in 2017 .

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9 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Dak Prescott With and Without Amari Cooper:
Without: 3-4 W-L; 62.1 completion percentage; 202.4 passing YPG; 8-4 TD-INT ratio; 87.4 passer rating.
With: 5-1 W-L; 74.1 completion percentage; 285.7 passing YPG; 9-3 TD-INT ratio; 105.7 passer rating.

WIthout context of who he was playing that doesn't mean a lot, Look at Darnold this year first 1/2 vs 2nd half, it looks great until you look at the slate of defenses he faced 2nd 1/2 versus first.

Anyway, Dak ended up 19th in QBR last year, and was #4 in 2017 by that stat. Was Cooper magically helping him in 2017 all the way from Oakland?

At the very least you have to admit this undermines your point.

Lastly, I want to be clear Cooper is a great player and will help any QB. He's actually who I was praying we'd pick when we ended up with Williams and like the Jets to pursue him if he comes free. 

 

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1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said:

No problem with anything that you say here and I have been up and down on Darnold, while still saying that he should be judged based on a larger set of criteria (games).

Just speaking for myself here, but my problem is that "fans" often get grouped in clumps on this site, with many saying in their arguments that "this how how Jet fans feel, and this is what they say".

And many times, I do not agree with that assessment as it applies to just me. Personally, I don't think it is an accurate assessment how necessarily a majority feel. Unless there is some type of poll taken that everyone participates in.

Trite feeling on my part, but there is a large amount of homogenization that takes place here regarding "fans", just to try to make someone's post seem stronger.

And no offense to the word homo.

For sure, I made a post last week that the Darnold homer, Darnold haters and all the various strawmen should have a battle royal. My meaning was along the lines of what you say here. We are put into groups and then often the most extreme take from that group gets applied to the full group.

My post you quoted was simply pointing out that trashing the rest of the team to support Darnold is a weird "jets fan" litmus test.

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1 minute ago, dbatesman said:

Obviously. But the point is that you have to consider quality of competition when evaluating a quarterback (or a defense, or a coaching staff, or a team in general). I.e., Darnold going 20/36 for 270/2/1 at home against the Dolphins is pretty disappointing, but if he puts up an identical stat line in Baltimore, it would be pretty impressive.

Particularly when you are going to be using this information to inform future decisions on resource allocation.

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3 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Oh, screw you. Now you are making me do research.

Here are the 6 regular season games that Cooper played with the Cowboys after acquisition and their rank of defense (by 2018 total points against--I know you probably hate that criteria, but again, screw you).

Redskins- 15th, Saints -14th, Eagles 12th, Colts 10th, Buccaneers- 31st, Giants 23rd.

With the exception of the outliers of Buccs and Giants he played against top 1/2 teams in the league ranked defenses.

Bottom line, Dak Prescott play was vastly improved with the acquisition of a top WR in the game, already with the fortunate of having a great o-line throughout the season. Does that mean that automatically happens for Darnold? No. But I would sure like to see him get the chance.

The fact that his QBR isn't much different than it was in 2017 makes further digging kind of pointless. I'm not arguing that Cooper hasn't helped  Dak, I was saying that I don't think there's enough information available to unequivicolly say that Cooper made Dak. Given 2017 stats, I was wrong, there is enough information available and it shows that Cooper did not make Dak and he was represented well in stats prior.

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