A Quick Thought On Rex

[THE BARON]

A quick thought on Rex... 

Along with being a singular talent for calling defense, Rex was/is possibly the best position coach for defensive lineman that the league has seen in a long time.  He did wonders with the players in Baltimore and he also elevated the games of players like Mike DeVito and Pouha.  

IMHO, if Rex was still around, think of what could have been with players like T. Wilkerson,S. Richardson, L. Williams, Q. Williams.

Rex is good at both motivating and teaching technical skills.  I'd venture to say the Jets would be getting a lot more out of those picks if Rex was running the show...

 

[slimjasi]

Well, we saw Rex coach Richardson and Wilkerson . . . 

[dbatesman]

[nyjunc]

I think Rex could be an outstanding coordinator but I don't know if he can do that again, his personality is too big now to be a coordinator.  

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

I think Rex could be an outstanding coordinator but I don't know if he can do that again, his personality is too big now to be a coordinator.  

He has already said that he has no interest in ever being a coordinator again. He considers himself a head coach. 

[Villain The Foe]

Rex was a predictable coach and it showed playing against good to great coahes. Everyone knew that on 3rd down and 5 (or more) that he was going to blitz, they all knew he was going to play man. 

You know how many times I seen teams like Baltimore run a bootleg on a crucial 3rd down in order to nullify the blitz while running a crosser to nullify man coverage? 

What's worse, Rex expected every player to be Darrelle Revis when it came to cover skills. 

 

Rex Ryan's defense was like a hammer. If you didnt have the ability to scheme against it you'd get hammered. However, if you the remedy you would kill him damn near everytime you played him because he was always a hammer. 

 

The Ryan era was better than the prior era's, however, I always wondered what would have been if 2009/10 Mangini would have remained out coach and Rex would have simply been DC. 

I probably would have seen a SB appearance in my lifetime. Or maybe im being too critical on Rex. Either way, what I can say is that Rex had a pretty stacked team those first 2 seasons that he really wasnt responsible for, once that turnover came and we had to rely on players that came in under him, we started to see that things wasnt working out. 

 

[T0mShane]

14 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

I think Rex could be an outstanding coordinator but I don't know if he can do that again, his personality is too big now to be a coordinator.  

Plus, he would undermine any head coach he worked for trying to ratf*ck his way into  an interim HC gig. Dude is never going to work in the league again

[southparkcpa]

Rex couldn't pass a 9th grade grammar test but yes... he's great. Just ask any Bills fan. 

[Untouchable]

What’s with this massive surge of people wanting to bring Rex back?

Do people not remember his last 4 years here when the Jets were an utter clown show?

[slimjasi]

2 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

What’s with this massive surge of people wanting to bring Rex back?

Do people not remember his last 4 years here when the Jets were an utter clown show?

It's nostalgia. 

We haven't had a legit contender in a decade (unless you count 2015) and people are sitting around thinking about better times in the middle of another lost season . . . 

It turns out that having your team's season end in October every year is bad for your mental health. 

[THE BARON]

36 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Rex was a predictable coach and it showed playing against good to great coahes. Everyone knew that on 3rd down and 5 (or more) that he was going to blitz, they all knew he was going to play man. 

You know how many times I seen teams like Baltimore run a bootleg on a crucial 3rd down in order to nullify the blitz while running a crosser to nullify man coverage? 

What's worse, Rex expected every player to be Darrelle Revis when it came to cover skills. 

 

Rex Ryan's defense was like a hammer. If you didnt have the ability to scheme against it you'd get hammered. However, if you the remedy you would kill him damn near everytime you played him because he was always a hammer. 

 

The Ryan era was better than the prior era's, however, I always wondered what would have been if 2009/10 Mangini would have remained out coach and Rex would have simply been DC. 

I probably would have seen a SB appearance in my lifetime. Or maybe im being too critical on Rex. Either way, what I can say is that Rex had a pretty stacked team those first 2 seasons that he really wasnt responsible for, once that turnover came and we had to rely on players that came in under him, we started to see that things wasnt working out. 

 

The Rex defensive identity was indeed often centered around pass pressure, but there was a lot more to it than that.  Rex also schemed very good against the run while applying such pressure.   Flexibility was the true key to what Rex liked to do.  You saw a lot of blitzing, but you also saw a variety of coverages from play to play.  Press man, man, zone, loaded zone, and combinations of them all. 

If you remember the victory that Rex and the Jets had over Manning and the Colts in the 2010 playoff run. Rex did not call max pressure too often.   Rex won that game over Manning with a lot of max coverage packages that confounded Manning the entire game.

The "stacked" team that Rex took over went from a middle of the pack defense to the best in the league.  

The Jets didn't make it into the post season with Rex after 2010 because of roster issues, not because of bad coaching.  Rex was a very good HC, but a very *VERY* bad defacto GM.   He was telling Tanny what to do and Tanny didnt say no.    

Never let an emotional reactionary administrate the staff decisions.  

The Rex/Idzik year was blatant sabotage against Rex by Idzik. 

In the end, I blame Johnson for the Rex regime missing the post season.  Johnson should have realized that Rex was not a good guy to send out to the grocery store.  

[New York Mick]

Rex’s ego is the equivalent of Whitezilla. There’s no way he’s going down to being a DC

[THE BARON]

48 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Well, we saw Rex coach Richardson and Wilkerson . . . 

Yes... And that was when they were both playing well and talking like guys you want to keep around.  Rex said he *NEVER* had problems with either one of them.  When Rex was not there, they went up the spout.

There is real benefit to having a HC who the players like and relate to.  Unlike BB, Rex is a humanist and a real teacher.  Belichick has "laundry boys" and Rex has students.  

Look at Jim Leonhard now... Considered the best DC in college.

[slimjasi]

4 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

Yes... And that was when they were both playing well and talking like guys you want to keep around.  Rex said he *NEVER* had problems with either one of them.  When Rex was not there, they went up the spout.

There is real benefit to having a HC who the players like and relate to.  Unlike BB, Rex is a humanist and a real teacher.  Belichick has "laundry boys" and Rex has students.  

Look at Jim Leonhard now... Considered the best DC in college.

Wilkerson's best season was in 2015 under Bowles . . . 

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, THE BARON said:

A quick thought on Rex... 

Along with being a singular talent for calling defense, Rex was/is possibly the best position coach for defensive lineman that the league has seen in a long time.  He did wonders with the players in Baltimore and he also elevated the games of players like Mike DeVito and Pouha.  

IMHO, if Rex was still around, think of what could have been with players like T. Wilkerson,S. Richardson, L. Williams, Q. Williams.

Rex is good at both motivating and teaching technical skills.  I'd venture to say the Jets would be getting a lot more out of those picks if Rex was running the show...

 

The Jets traded what was considered their best DLineman in Leo Williams.  They're using guys like Nathan Shepherd, Fatukasi, Kyle Phillips and an old Steve McClendon to remain the NFL's best defense against the rush.  Rex isn't the guy coaching them.

[THE BARON]

10 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

The Jets traded what was considered their best DLineman in Leo Williams.  They're using guys like Nathan Shepherd, Fatukasi, Kyle Phillips and an old Steve McClendon to remain the NFL's best defense against the rush.  Rex isn't the guy coaching them.

you mean OC's realize they can pass on the Jets because of scarce manpower on the back end of the defense and a poor pass rush due again to manpower issues.  GW is a fine DC, but he's not Rex

[BroadwayRay]

Well-written revisionist history. Good work — you may have a future in fiction writing. 

[phill1c]

25 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

The Rex defensive identity was indeed often centered around pass pressure, but there was a lot more to it than that.  Rex also schemed very good against the run while applying such pressure.   Flexibility was the true key to what Rex liked to do.  You saw a lot of blitzing, but you also saw a variety of coverages from play to play.  Press man, man, zone, loaded zone, and combinations of them all.

I think it was more personnel than great defensive genius. I mean, everyone blitzes. It's nothing new. He did have that nobody in a 3-point stance defense,  but that's one trick.

In the end, either you have the personnel and the ability to win man-to-man, or you don't. Once he didn't have Revis and a great DL, he was nothing and had no answers.

[ScarletKnight89]

Rex is a great defensive coordinator. He was not a great Head Coach. 

[phill1c]

6 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

GW is a fine DC, but he's not Rex

Rex isn't the Rex you seem to think he was. And I would take Gregg Williams over him, every time.

In fact, he was always being too aggressive when it wasn't appropriate and doing stupid things like making Richardson play OLB in pass coverage. Blitzing everyone on 3rd and forever...just really had one trick, the overload blitz, and nothing creative or smart otherwise.

The Jets literally lost games because of his stupid defensive calls. [they probably won more than a few too]

[peebag]

[THE BARON]

3 minutes ago, phill1c said:

Rex isn't the Rex you seem to think he was. And I would take Gregg Williams over him, every time.

In fact, he was always being too aggressive when it wasn't appropriate and doing stupid things like making Richardson play OLB in pass coverage. Blitzing everyone on 3rd and forever...just really had one trick, the overload blitz, and nothing creative or smart otherwise.

The Jets literally lost games because of his stupid defensive calls. [they probably won more than a few too]

I guess you don't remember the Jets performance in both playoff runs... 

[SAR I]

Rex Ryan ruined the best Jets team I have seen in my lifetime. May he rot in NFL prison. 

SAR I

[JiF]

Good thread, Rex is a true genius.  Remember what he did with Aladius Thomas and then the Pats signed him and he was shell of himself?

So many examples of this in Rex's career.  I mean, Revis being the best example.  Mediocre to the best in the league to terrible. 

[nyjunc]

1 hour ago, southparkcpa said:

Rex couldn't pass a 9th grade grammar test but yes... he's great. Just ask any Bills fan. 

You are not a jet fan. I'm convinced.

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, THE BARON said:

A quick thought on Rex... 

Along with being a singular talent for calling defense, Rex was/is possibly the best position coach for defensive lineman that the league has seen in a long time.  He did wonders with the players in Baltimore and he also elevated the games of players like Mike DeVito and Pouha.  

IMHO, if Rex was still around, think of what could have been with players like T. Wilkerson,S. Richardson, L. Williams, Q. Williams.

Rex is good at both motivating and teaching technical skills.  I'd venture to say the Jets would be getting a lot more out of those picks if Rex was running the show...

 

Coples

Hand picked by Rex.  At the combine Rex promised him he'd be the pick if he were there.  

Rex did such a great job with him, right? 

Now examine the other DLs who performed below expectations with Rex and I think you will change your mind.  Rex is an overblown blowhard whose defenses with the jets could rarely make the stop on 3rd down it needed to.

[Eaton Beaver]

It is so incomprehensible to hear people on here wanting to rehire Rex for this team. This shows that people on here are absolutely insane. That is the definition of insanity. Rex was fine when he was winning with a team that was handed to him. Like a previous poster said, when he got involved with picking players it all went downhill. When his shtick couldn't cover up for the losses anymore he was finished. He was kept here way to long and should have been fired with Tannenbaum, instead he left his GM to be the scapegoat. That is all on the ownership once again making another wrong decision.

 

[LockeJET]

Bad timing

[Bruce Harper]

1 hour ago, THE BARON said:

A quick thought on Rex... 

Along with being a singular talent for calling defense, Rex was/is possibly the best position coach for defensive lineman that the league has seen in a long time.  He did wonders with the players in Baltimore and he also elevated the games of players like Mike DeVito and Pouha.  

IMHO, if Rex was still around, think of what could have been with players like T. Wilkerson,S. Richardson, L. Williams, Q. Williams.

Rex is good at both motivating and teaching technical skills.  I'd venture to say the Jets would be getting a lot more out of those picks if Rex was running the show...

 

We have the number one run defense in the league, or close to it.

[Jetster]

Rex was a Super Nova that burned out after 2010 when he actually had to DEVELOP players. Came into a great situation with a top notch Oline, a lot of Veterans, brought in some stout tough guys from Baltimore. 

I've told this story numerous times, but my nephew was an intern at the Cortland camp in 2014. Told me it was the largest group of azzholes (that team), he'd ever been around. Players were pretty much doing anything they wanted. A f*cking free for all. That was the camp he told me our new TE Jace Amaro was so out of shape when he came in he didn't even look like a football player. The funniest thing was he said Mo Wilkerson was nice as hell. Even said Mangold was an ornery SOB in that camp. Probably saw the writing on the wall surrounded by a bunch of clowns. One my most hated teams ever. 

[Jet Nut]

6 hours ago, THE BARON said:

A quick thought on Rex... 

Along with being a singular talent for calling defense, Rex was/is possibly the best position coach for defensive lineman that the league has seen in a long time.  He did wonders with the players in Baltimore and he also elevated the games of players like Mike DeVito and Pouha.  

IMHO, if Rex was still around, think of what could have been with players like T. Wilkerson,S. Richardson, L. Williams, Q. Williams.

Rex is good at both motivating and teaching technical skills.  I'd venture to say the Jets would be getting a lot more out of those picks if Rex was running the show...

 

Singular talent?  

I trust Greg Williams D more than Rex's and he's coaching nowhere near the talent Rex had.  And has done miracles not only with the back end of the DL but with the corners.  

All without a Revis allowing the team to blitz etc

[southparkcpa]

41 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Rex Ryan ruined the best Jets team I have seen in my lifetime. May he rot in NFL prison. 

SAR I

A little strong but I am in agreement. The Ravens let him walk,....   THEY have good ownership. We have too many fans that want 9 wins a year.

[southparkcpa]

37 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

You are not a jet fan. I'm convinced.

and you have no ties to UNC that we know of.

[phill1c]

43 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Coples

Hand picked by Rex.  At the combine Rex promised him he'd be the pick if he were there.  

Rex did such a great job with him, right? 

Now examine the other DLs who performed below expectations with Rex and I think you will change your mind.  Rex is an overblown blowhard whose defenses with the jets could rarely make the stop on 3rd down it needed to.

The biggest ridiculous notion is that Rex Ryan somehow coached up Revis. No, Revis's talent is what made him great. That he declined after was because of age, not losing Rex Ryan, who doesn't even coach DBs.

[jmat321]

Rex - biggest thing that pissed me off was the overload blitz on 3rd and 13 in which some scrub QB like Matt Moore would hit a slot guy up the seam for 22.  As for him never working in the league again, IDK, Woody is probably stupid enough to hire him again.