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2 minutes ago, CTM said:

In 2017 Bell YPC dropped 20% off his 15/16 average and he was no longer an elite back that year.

Then he took 18 off

Now hes 3 years removed from elite play, 3 years older at a position known for a short shelf life.

But let's pretend that's not even a possible issue and its all Gase's fault.

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Wow.  Third in the league in rushing, first team all pro = not elite?  What ******* planet do you come from?  

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5 minutes ago, CTM said:

The one where I dont care so much about gross #'s. FWIW, I consider elite to be top 3. Bell's 2017 total numbers are inflated by the fact that  he lead the league in attempts by nearly 15%, but his dvoa was 11th and his ypc was in the 20's. I understand that high attempts will drag down efficiency at the position but again, I'm saying he wasnt a top 3 back and was showing signs of decline  not that he wasn't good or even very good l.

Pitts ran him into the ground knowing they might lose him and it's fair to wonder if that burned a significant amount of tread on his tires

 

You don't think that kind of volume is an asset?  Which 3 backs were better?  Gurley and who?  Maybe Hunt? Ingram?  Those guys didn't exactly play in the same kind of offense.  Elliot had more ypc and ypg, but he missed a bunch of games for domestic violence.  If he wasn't top 3, he certainly was top 5.  He had a higher ypc (your main criteria) than Fournette and McCoy, and .1 less than Jordan Howard. 

The Steelers tagged him and rode him like a rented mule.  That may have taken some tread off his tires, but it wasn't showing yet.  I would argue that if he weren't getting 21+ carries a game he'd have had a significantly higher ypc. 

He led the league in attempts and they gave him week 17 off to rest. Teams knew he was coming, they didn't spell him and he still blew them up for 4+ ypc.  This wasn't Lamont Jordan or Shonn Greene getting 4.7 ypc.   They gave Connor a whopping 34 carries that whole season.  He looked pretty good in the playoffs against a Jacksonville team that was using the Rex Ryan Jets' template.

 

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I will also add to the whole Bell was declining gang - Connor has not exactly torn it up in his absence which was the initial argument by many. Maybe Pittsburgh's run blocking/offense deteriorated too.  

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Just now, CTM said:

I do think it's an asset to have a high DYAR. And I do think he had a good / very good year but I don't think he was "elite" by the way I define it. To me elite is a top 3 guy.  He was that guy in 15 and 16 and slipped a bit in 17.

Here's the thing, it's well known that most RB's start a steep decline in the back half of thier 20's.  This isn't a 25/26 yo QB slipping a bit, it's a 25/26 yo RB slipping a bit. One with a ton of wear on his tires with how often Pitts uses him in both the run and pass game. IN 2017 he had 406 touches, the next nearest, Lesean Mccoy had 346. Bell was almost 20% higher!

I just don't think it's logical to point to the Bell of 2019, conclude he doesn't look like the elite guy from 2016 and say it must be a Gase issue. I don't think it's likely he ever gets back to that level of performance. I

Eh. 

I get the point when defending Gase, but IMO it has primarily been on offensive line issue.  Bell had an extreme bulk of the carries in games when Darnold was out. Those Luke Falk games dropped his YPC fairly significantly.  If we were arguing whether we should have signed him, I get this, but I think it is fairly obvious that his downfall is more on this offense than on him IMO.  There is the question of whether his game compliments what Gase wants to do.  I think Gase wants a one cut guy with speed and would probably prefer a Joe Morris to a traditional top back.  Bell's "patience" is probably annoying to him and not suitable to a team where any hole is quickly closed and pursuit is always running free from the backside. 

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2 hours ago, Losmeister said:

lazy. go read it yourself if you dont comprende

 

37 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

i do know. go read it yourself. your ignorance aint my problem.

 

I get being annoyed at having to read posts explaining sh*t that know and understand.  I don't understand why any of us would rather read about you complaining about asking for an explanation. 

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8 minutes ago, SOJ said:

Powell had 75 yds... Proves that bell is not suited for this team.  Powell this year has been better at hitting the hole faster and getting more  yards.  

Powell had 74 yards.  On 19 carries.  That is 3.89 ypc.  Bell's average in games without Luke Falk is about 3.4.  He averaged 3.88 the last time they played the Dolphins.  Is that hundredth of a yard worth crowing about?

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1 minute ago, Losmeister said:

Bell has averaged higher than THAT 3.88 ypc only twice this year....  THATS the problem...

Powell YPC more than Bell is damning. ( both their ypc is damning of the OL, of course)

Powell has only had one game over 10 carries.  Hell, he's only had one game with a better ypc than the Dolphins game where he had 5 or more carries.  The running game sucks.  That is not up for discussion.  I think the eye test shows you Bell isn't the problem.  He's not worth what we are paying him, but we are already paying him. 

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12 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

QB struggles for time, behind bad OL. “We can’t judge him until we get an OL”

RB struggles finding holes behind the same bad OL.  “Get rid of this diva, he sucks.”

I think the issue is buyer's remorse.  We could all see Sam Darnold struggling as part of the progression of a young kid with limited experience becoming and NFL QB.  We could also see that giving Le'veon Bell a big free agent contract was not going to solidify our running game.  When we look at them we see one guy that should improve and another that should be gone by the team is able to properly use him. 

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18 hours ago, peekskill68 said:

I'm taking a slightly different view.  I think that Gase was trying to show Joe D that he can get the same production out of a JAG RB like Powell vs. a $15 million dollar trophy horse like Bell.  This was his point from Day #1 and based on the numbers he's probably not that far off...

I don't think Douglas needs to be shown that he can get 95% of the production at 25% of the salary.  The issue is that salary is gone.  

For me, the question is whether Bell just doesn't fit the system/fell off, or if the offensive line truly is just that bad. 

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