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Sam Darnold/Blake Bortles comprision

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13 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

the possibility that Sam is a bust is simply not tolerable to fragile minds.

A bust is someone who really does next to nothing .  That's not the case with Sam he has shown some really good flashes.  Has he made mistakes?  Absolutely but considering all the garabge he has had to deal with I feel really good about Sam.  Look you aren't high on Sam and that's your right Im not gonna attack you for that.  You have the right to feel how you feel.  BUT can we at least wait until he has some better protection.  I have a feeling if we do indeed rebuild this line you are going to be pretty happy to Have Sam but then agaun maybe not

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4 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Disagree.  We used 4 high draft picks on Sam Darnold.  He needs to be a top 10 QB, at worst, to not be a bust.

Im confused.  I said he isnt a bust.  I said I feel he will be a top 10 QB

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Just now, TeddEY said:

I only quoted part of your post.  I disagree with your definition of "bust."  Bust is a term that's relative to investment.  Because we invested so much in Darnold, the expectation is significantly higher than just "A bust is someone who really does next to nothing."

I was just being vague man.  I feel the same way.   I don't disagree with you.  

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1 minute ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

You have to be a troll haha.

Darnold has played with the weakest offensive unit in the NFL for close to 2 years now.  Bortles had players around him and also protection.

Not only does Darnold run for his life virtually every time he drops back but he also usually has to hit a pass into a window the size of a thimble (see last night 1st TD pass, window smaller than a thimble) because his receivers rarely get ANY kind of separation.  The situation Darnold has been in since Day 1 is the exact OPPOSITE of what a Mahomes or Jackson has been in since their Day 1...Darnold has had to “play in Hell”.

I don’t bother to look at Darnold’s stats at this point, because it’s worthless due to the teams he has played on.  What I do though is look at some of the throws he has hit, many that MOST QBs in the NFL can not, Bortles?? Forget it.  You give him a million years he couldn’t duplicate some of the plays Darnold has made.

Does Darnold still have some leaks in his game?  Absolutely.  Can they be corrected?  Will they maybe just go away with better personnel and more experience?  There is a good chance.

You know there is 1 stat you threw up there that I will look at.  Completion % 60%....Darnold is far from Capt Checkdown Chad Pennington...that 60% might well turn into close to 70% playing with real NFL players in the future.  And that’s from a kid who has been forced to play lots of schoolyard ball because he has almost never had any protection.  60% at this point is outstanding.

Perspective...you put Mark Sanchez in Darnold’s shoes since Day 1...and no exaggeration I doubt he completes 35% of his passes. 

he is just a troll.  He posts one dumb thread after the other then just disappears to bait people.  I guess I fall for it 

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1 minute ago, Warfish said:

First good post, so don't take what I say next as criticism per se, please. :)

But I wanted to touch on the "Darnold is only 22 and only played three days at QB in college" thing. 

I simply do not see this as a defense or reason or excuse (pick your preferred word).

If a GM picked a High School kid to come play Linebacker, and he clearly wasn't ready to play, no one would say 'well, he's only 16 and only started playing Lineback five days ago".  They would expect a pro to be ready to be a pro, otherwise they would criticize the kid for coming out too early and the GM for selecting a not-ready prospect and playing them too early.  Rightfully so!

Every time I hear "Darnold is only...." I cringe.  If he wasn't ready to be a Pro, then he should have stayed in college.  If the Jets thought he wasn't ready, he shouldn't have been starting from day 1.  If his lack of QB experience made him not ready, etc, etc, etc.

The #1 QB job is just that, a job.  Fans, rightfully, expect players doing that job to be ready to do it.  Not to spend two years learning how to do it.  His being too young or too inexperienced is not an excuse, it's (frankly) a mistake by management.  If he wasn't ready to play, we should have, and be playing, someone else.

Now, let me be clear, I think Darnold IS ready to play, has enough experience, and his age is not relevant IMO to his playing now.  So I do not fault management for playing him, I supported it.  But by that same line of reasoning, I also do not excuse his play because of age.  he is the #1 QB of an NFL Football team.  He has a job to do.  He needs to do it.  22 or 42, he needs to do it.  We don't get free points for his age, so his age doesn't matter.  And 22 or 26, both ages still have "time to improve", so that's not relevant either.

I don;t know, I just tire of this excuse tbqh.  No one in any other job would ever get the "well, he's only 22" excuse card.  

I dont think its a excuse.  I think its true.  Not just for sam but for others as well.  Not everyone catches fire right away also not everyone gets lucky enough to play is a good situation right away. Right now Sam is not in a good situation compared to Josh Allen and Lamar.  I think that's more where the "whole he is only 22" thing comes from

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8 minutes ago, Butterfield said:

Why do people get so worked up anytime someone says that maybe Sam won’t live up to the hype?  If you are so confident he will be a stud, you shouldn’t need to be so defensive.  

I don't think its being defensive.  Most are fair about things he needs to work on.  However some do go overboard with the negativity which seems agenda driven

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6 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

On the bright side, I think his birthday is in July? So this will all end then.

By the start of TC, it will be “he’s still only 23. Just a baby...”

I cant believe saying he is still young and learning bothers some so much lol

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2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Doesn't bother me, I just reject it as a reason/excuse for his reduced production.

If being 22 is too young to play NFL QB and be judged like a #1 NFL QB, he shouldn't be playing, he should be sitting, learning, growing older, till he is "old enough".

Personally, I think that is bollocks myself, he is old enough, hence his age is of no relevance to me, he gets judged for the job he is tasked to do (#1 QB), not by his age.

Be assured, when he reaches year four of his contract, and the team is deciding what to do with him, no one in the front office is going to say "well, he's only 24, so we really have to extend him another five years at (massive number) because we just can't judge his first four years here, too young".

The clock is ticking on Sam in NYC, 22, 23 or 103.  That decision date comes regardless.

I just think it is overreacting a bit.  I don't see people saying tha fery two seconds.   Even if they were its not really a big deal.  He is young that's the truth.  Nobody has vere said he has been flawless.  In fact the majority of us who I guess are positive about Sam have been very objective about his issues 

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9 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Not related to my feelings on Sam, but 'flashes' is the one dumbest things people say about players. All players in the NFL can show flashes. You don't get signed to a team if you're not able to show 'flashes'. Consistency is what matters. 

No sh*t.  I think you misinterpreted 

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2 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Again, I don't know what Darnold will become, but had one bad pass that was a miscommunication between him and the 4th string TE that has zero chemistry with him.

One.

With this sh*t roster/O-Line.

Against the best team in the NFL.

One.

What did you people expect yesterday, for real?

Agreed.  And he still played well outside of the one bad throw to our 4th string TE

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10 minutes ago, Butterfield said:

Just as many people are overboard with positivity as there are negativity.  

Not really 

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4 minutes ago, Butterfield said:

To an objective centrist, yes.  Just as many people praising and excusing as there are whining and complaining.  

Agree to disagree.  Just being objective 

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