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Sam Darnold/Blake Bortles comprision

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48 minutes ago, RonaldJet said:

Lets look at their first two years (both third overall picks)

Bortles

635/1081 58% 7336 Yds 6.8 YPA 46 TD 35 INT

Darnold

473/793 60% 5507 Yds 6.9 YPA 34 TD 27 INT

 

Darnold is the next Blake Bortles IMO. Big athletic kid who can’t really read a defense. Bortles is a much more dangerous with his legs, and Darnold is slightly more accurate on short passes. 
 

I hope I’m wrong about Sam, but I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. The kid is a likely bust and I’d advise all Jets fans not to get emotionally attached to him. He’s not going to be the QB of the team three years from now. 

 

Ronald - I've been as critical of Darnold as anyone.  But you're trying to hard.  Give it a rest.  Seriously.

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1 minute ago, Jets723 said:

A bust is someone who really does next to nothing .

Disagree.  We used 4 high draft picks on Sam Darnold.  He needs to be a top 10 QB, at worst, to not be a bust.

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Just now, Warfish said:

This.

Honestly, I think the hyperbole in both directions shows exactly how terrified Jet Fandom is about Darnold.  The Favre comparisons doesn't read as confidence, it reads as hyperbolic terror......the fear the guy we're all so invested in, just isn't that great and maybe won't ever become great.  Hence the overcompensation and hype for what is, to-date, pretty inconsistent and meh production.

Everyone agrees we need to improve around him:  O-line.  WR #1.  RB (if/when Bell is traded).  A hard look at WR #2-WR#4.  TE is probably Ok with Herndon and Griffin.

But even so, as said elsewhere, no one will care in 10 years how tough Darnold had it, how many flashes he showed, or who his supporting cast or coach was.  He either WILL produce or he will not, that is all that will matter.  No one today cares that say, Tim Couch, showed flashes (he did), was in a tough spot on bad teams (he was) or the rest.  He's a bust, that is how history sees him.

 Sam must play 16 games next year.  No Mono.  No injuries.  He must produce an average NFL QB level of production, ~4,000 yards, 28 or more TD's, 15 or less INT's.  And 8+ wins.  No matter who his teammates are.  If not, be assured, the bust label will start to get applied, by the wide world if not those here.

 Perhaps instead of pretending he is Favre, we should be posting about how Douglas needs to GM to support him being average to start with.  I care far more about who will be playing O-line next year than do some silly hyperbolic " god he's so dreamy and gunslinger and Favre-like" puff posts.

Overall, I agree with all of this.

One thing, and I wouldn't even fight you that hard on it, is that I'm not terribly worried about the wins next year.  Our schedule, today at least, looks much more difficult, and I don't think all the problems of this team can be resolved in one offseason.  So, I'll be looking for the same thing I'm looking for this year, that we didn't really get, and that's improved decision making.  YOLO Balls and throws to no one have to be all but gone, and a bad supporting cast isn't an excuse for this.  He needs to show he can do more than roll out, minimizing the decisions he needs to make, and throw to the one guy in his sight.  I don't really care about overall record if he does that.  Wins will follow good play, but it's gonna take more than a season to make up for just how bad a job Macc did.

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Just now, Jets723 said:

Im confused.  I said he isnt a bust.  I said I feel he will be a top 10 QB

I only quoted part of your post.  I disagree with your definition of "bust."  Bust is a term that's relative to investment.  Because we invested so much in Darnold, the expectation is significantly higher than just "A bust is someone who really does next to nothing."

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