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They went 7-6 in the games Darnold played.  They had no shot in the other 3 with Falk playing QB.  There are two things that are certain about Gase:  1) He can't win with a back up QB.  His teams have a 4-9 record while playing without their starting QB.  2)  He has a winning record (26-25) with his starting QB's playing.  
He's not a great coach at this point by any means but he's not the terrible coach that he's been made out to be.  Full disclosure I wanted him fired after the 1-7 start.  But the 6-2 finish has taken me off the ledge.  Next year there needs to be a lot more growth from Darnold and I'm hoping JD fixes the offensive line b/c that is what will give him the best chance at taking the next step as a QB.

I think the 6-2 down the stretch is fools gold. A win is a win, but the O didn’t score much and the D carried them. Beating the Giants, Skins, Bills (resting players for the playoffs), getting a call against Miami, Steelers and Raiders isn’t exactly beating some of the better teams in the league.


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He's also the HC that has seen his teams win more games than they should each year he's been a HC.


Also the HC that has shipped out talent and had them excel without him.

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27 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

“Finish so strong” is six offensive TDs in 5 games. Beating the likes of Duck Hodges, Matt Barkley, and Papa John at QB. 

6-2 so beat up is strong to me. You are what your record says

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11 minutes ago, JetsYanks13 said:


I think the 6-2 down the stretch is fools gold. A win is a win, but the O didn’t score much and the D carried them. Beating the Giants, Skins, Bills (resting players for the playoffs), getting a call against Miami, Steelers and Raiders isn’t exactly beating some of the better teams in the league.


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It's the NFL, any win by any means shouldn't be discounted.  And honestly I blame Darnold for a lot of the issues with the offense.  His decision making was average overall and he left a lot of points on the board this season.  I'm hoping by devoting some resources into the offensive line this off-season it'll help Darnold take a leap. 

By the 2nd half of the season I could argue the Jets had a bottom 3 roster joining the Bengals and the Dolphins but they somehow finished 6-2.  If you're going to blame Gase for 1-7 then you have to give him credit for 6-2.  

 

Also, Gase has 30 wins over the past 4 seasons, not 21.  He's averaging 7-9.

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38 minutes ago, JetsYanks13 said:


Gase is not a first year HC and the QB was out 3 games out of 16. He had his starting QB for 13 games and still finished LAST in the NFL in offense. The defense carried the team down the stretch. Also, Macc destroyed the team, but his defensive players carried the team this year and he drafted the QB, signed Robby as an undrafted free agent, signed Crowder in free agency. You want to kill him for the O line, go ahead, but more times than not you can’t name 1 to 2 offensive lineman on other teams.


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The QB was out 3 and had mono in one, as well a both TEs, a bunch of the already bad OL and 2 WRs. The starting QB finished 7-6. Macc was one of the worst GMs in league history and I think thats a fact. Trumaine, Wilkerson Revis deals all awful. Horrible drafting

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It's the NFL, any win by any means shouldn't be discounted.  And honestly I blame Darnold for a lot of the issues with the offense.  His decision making was average overall and he left a lot of points on the board this season.  I'm hoping by devoting some resources into the offensive line this off-season it'll help Darnold take a leap. 
By the 2nd half of the season I could argue the Jets had a bottom 3 roster joining the Bengals and the Dolphins but they somehow finished 6-2.  If you're going to blame Gase for 1-7 then you have to give him credit for 6-2.  

I’ll give him credit for 7-9, however, I give Williams much more credit than Gase. The jets do not have a bottom 3 roster and as I mentioned Williams had that defense over performing all season. His offense ranked dead last in the NFL! That’s not a sign of a good coach. The D ranked 15th and 7th, hence the wins down the stretch.


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50 minutes ago, JetsYanks13 said:


Gase is not a first year HC and the QB was out 3 games out of 16. He had his starting QB for 13 games and still finished LAST in the NFL in offense. The defense carried the team down the stretch. Also, Macc destroyed the team, but his defensive players carried the team this year and he drafted the QB, signed Robby as an undrafted free agent, signed Crowder in free agency. You want to kill him for the O line, go ahead, but more times than not you can’t name 1 to 2 offensive lineman on other teams.


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Except with Darnold they were no where near last in offense, so your argument is moot. That, and the fact that an offense is only as good as it's O-line.

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6 minutes ago, Jet Life said:

The QB was out 3 and had mono in one, as well a both TEs, a bunch of the already bad OL and 2 WRs. The starting QB finished 7-6. Macc was one of the worst GMs in league history and I think thats a fact. Trumaine, Wilkerson Revis deals all awful. Horrible drafting

It's funny b/c a lot of people discount the Bills win b/c they had their backup QB playing and a bunch of starters out yet still kill Gase for the 3 games stretch that Darnold was out and they were playing with a 3rd string QB.  Barkley is 100 times better than Falk yet people were shocked the offense couldn't move the ball.  

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8 minutes ago, JetsYanks13 said:


I’ll give him credit for 7-9, however, I give Williams much more credit than Gase. The jets do not have a bottom 3 roster and as I mentioned Williams had that defense over performing all season. His offense ranked dead last in the NFL! That’s not a sign of a good coach. The D ranked 15th and 7th, hence the wins down the stretch.


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WR's- Middle of the road

TE- Below average

Offensive Line- One of the worst in the league

QB- Just barely touching top 20 status at this point

HB- Top 15

 

Defensive Line- Top 10

Linebackers- Bottom 10 in the league

CB's- One of the worst in the league

Safeties- Top 5

 

This roster, with all of the injuries, is one of the least talented rosters in the NFL.

Tell me where I'm wrong.........

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The QB was out 3 and had mono in one, as well a both TEs, a bunch of the already bad OL and 2 WRs. The starting QB finished 7-6. Macc was one of the worst GMs in league history and I think thats a fact. Trumaine, Wilkerson Revis deals all awful. Horrible drafting

One of the worst GM’s in NFL history you say, have you ever heard of Matt Millen? You say the QB finished 7-6 and burying the GM who drafted him. You can’t have it both ways. I’m not saying he was above average, but he drafted the D Line who overachieved, Bless Austin, One of the TE’s you referenced, Jamal Adams, maye, signed Robby undrafted, signed Crowder, Mosley. Defensive depth players who played above their talents were due to Macc.


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6 hours ago, JTJet said:

Dumb. 

I cant wait until we rattle off 10 or 11 wins next year and make the playoffs...

... and still have the money in my pocket these fools wasted. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Greensleeves said:

Except with Darnold they were no where near last in offense, so your argument is moot.

I looked into it, they were like 25th with Darnold.  Which being mid-20's in offense and top 10 in defense got the Bills 10 wins

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2 minutes ago, JetsYanks13 said:


One of the worst GM’s in NFL history you say, have you ever heard of Matt Millen? You say the QB finished 7-6 and burying the GM who drafted him. You can’t have it both ways. I’m not saying he was above average, but he drafted the D Line who overachieved, Bless Austin, One of the TE’s you referenced, Jamal Adams, maye, signed Robby undrafted, signed Crowder, Mosley. Defensive depth players who played above their talents were due to Macc.


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The problem is the QB could have been 10-3 if your favorite GM Macc would have built an offensive line to protect him and open holes for Bell.

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WR's- Middle of the road
TE- Below average
Offensive Line- One of the worst in the league
QB- Just barely touching top 20 status at this point
HB- Top 15
 
Defensive Line- Top 10
Linebackers- Bottom 3rd in the league
CB's- One of the worst in the league
Safeties- Top 5
 
This roster, with all of the injuries, is one of the least talented rosters in the NFL.
Tell me where I'm wrong.........

Easy, the defensive rankings prove you wrong for starters: Finishing 15th and 7th in points and yards allowed takes talent and great coaching (Thank you Gregg Williams)
Lev Bell is a top 10 HB in the NFL and was not utilized correctly by Dum Dum (Cincy game as an example)
TE: Griffin was actually a bright spot this season and signed to an extension
The OL was poor, but, Douglas compounded the problem by signing Kalil.
QB: fair assessment
Defensive line: Top 10 thanks Williams
Linebackers: Played outstanding considering injuries
CB’s: once Johnson was benched, played outstanding considering the players utilized.
Safeties: agreed

Finishing last in the NFl in offense with all things considered is not good coaching!




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The problem is the QB could have been 10-3 if your favorite GM Macc would have built an offensive line to protect him and open holes for Bell.

Not my favorite GM, but, if your going to call him the worst of all time, then have an idea of what your talking about. Kill him for terrible moves, then he gets credit for the good ones. The HC didn’t even utilize bell. Can you name offensive lineman on other teams with looking it up? Can you name the Pats offensive line?


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44 minutes ago, JetsYanks13 said:


One of the worst GM’s in NFL history you say, have you ever heard of Matt Millen? You say the QB finished 7-6 and burying the GM who drafted him. You can’t have it both ways. I’m not saying he was above average, but he drafted the D Line who overachieved, Bless Austin, One of the TE’s you referenced, Jamal Adams, maye, signed Robby undrafted, signed Crowder, Mosley. Defensive depth players who played above their talents were due to Macc.


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Talent wise especially with the injuries we were on par with Miami and Cincinnati. I blame Macc for that. And no I didn’t even want Gase but I’ll give him some credit for finishing 6-2 with an abysmal roster . People throw out the teams we beat like Miami etc to alien us but fail to recognize we might as well be Miami 

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Talent wise especially with the injuries we were on par with Miami and Cincinnati. I blame Macc for that. And no I didn’t even want Gase but I’ll give him some credit for finishing 6-2 with an abysmal roster . People throw out the teams we beat like Miami etc to alien us but fail to recognize we might as well be Miami 

If talent was the problem, then how did the D finish 15th in points and 7th in yards? It does not add up. Gase gets credit for the wins, but Williams is the guy who saved his ass. The offense finished 32nd; with Darnold, Robby, Crowder and Bell. There not world beaters, but are top teens NFL talent.


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2 hours ago, JetsYanks13 said:


Easy, the defensive rankings prove you wrong for starters: Finishing 15th and 7th in points and yards allowed takes talent and great coaching (Thank you Gregg Williams)
Lev Bell is a top 10 HB in the NFL and was not utilized correctly by Dum Dum (Cincy game as an example)
TE: Griffin was actually a bright spot this season and signed to an extension
The OL was poor, but, Douglas compounded the problem by signing Kalil.
QB: fair assessment
Defensive line: Top 10 thanks Williams
Linebackers: Played outstanding considering injuries
CB’s: once Johnson was benched, played outstanding considering the players utilized.
Safeties: agreed

Finishing last in the NFl in offense with all things considered is not good coaching!




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You're so wrong it's embarassing.

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4 hours ago, Jet Life said:

6-2 so beat up is strong to me. You are what your record says

So losers. 

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3 hours ago, JetsYanks13 said:

If talent was the problem, then how did the D finish 15th in points and 7th in yards?

1.  The Jets ridiculous over-investment on the D side of the ball goes back a full decade.  Gregg simply had more to work with when depth became necessary.  Tannenbaum, Idzik, and Maccagnan never heard of an offense.

2.  Gregg Williams has 30 years NFL experience and is a Top 5 DC.  Adam Gase has 15 years NFL experience and is a newb HC.  Apples and oranges.

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26 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

So losers. 

Talent is wise we are bottom 3 in football, so 7-9 isn’t bad under the circumstances. Still a lot of work to do 

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7 hours ago, playtowinthegame said:

Would have been better if that was a food truck.

@The Crusher would fund their entire operation.

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5 hours ago, choon328 said:

They went 7-6 in the games Darnold played. 

Still not good enough to beat one's chest over.  

I'm all for giving Gase 2020, but let's stop with this narrative that 2019 was an impressive coaching job.  It really wasn't.  The only positive you can say about it is he didn't lose the locker room.  That's it.  

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5 hours ago, Jet Life said:

6-2 so beat up is strong to me. You are what your record says

Our record was 7-9.  

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BAD TIMING. The Jets owner actually IS receptive and can be responsive to fan requests, but certainly not after Gase was just hired and forced to work with a roster comprised of hot garbage. Not to mention the owner just acted on the billboards only 5 years ago.

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5 hours ago, Greensleeves said:

Except with Darnold they were no where near last in offense

We were?

Darnold was the # 31 QB in the NFL based on DVOA.  The only QB/team combos that were worse were Mason Rudolph/Steelers, Kyle Allen/Panthers, and Dwayne Haskins/Redskins.  

So no, we weren't the worst offense with Darnold under Center, but we were close.

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17 minutes ago, Jet Life said:

Talent is wise we are bottom 3 in football, so 7-9 isn’t bad under the circumstances. Still a lot of work to do 

We were outscored by 83 points on the season.  7th-worst in the league.  The roster is bad, and Gase is bad.  These aren't mutually exclusive points.

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32 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Our record was 7-9.  

True, and the O/U I won on was 6 1/2, so there's that.

Was into the Bills win.  :) 

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1.  The Jets ridiculous over-investment on the D side of the ball goes back a full decade.  Gregg simply had more to work with when depth became necessary.  Tannenbaum, Idzik, and Maccagnan never heard of an offense.
2.  Gregg Williams has 30 years NFL experience and is a Top 5 DC.  Adam Gase has 15 years NFL experience and is a newb HC.  Apples and oranges.
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Apples and oranges- Your second point proves who the better coach on the Jets is. Williams lost Mosley, essentially his QB of the defense. He also utilized no name CB’s and he was down to his 4th string LBer’s. The HC’s offense was pathetic and last in the league. Also, his offenses have been in the bottom of the league the last several years. I see a pattern of shi$$y coaching. What makes you think this HC is suddenly going to lead this team to perhaps a top 10 offensive ranking?


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25 minutes ago, JetsYanks13 said:


Apples and oranges- Your second point proves who the better coach on the Jets is. Williams lost Mosley, essentially his QB of the defense. He also utilized no name CB’s and he was down to his 4th string LBer’s. The HC’s offense was pathetic and last in the league. Also, his offenses have been in the bottom of the league the last several years. I see a pattern of shi$$y coaching.
 

Wait.  You think its a surprise that a Top 5 defensive coordinator with 30 years experience is better than a Bottom 10 head coach with 3 years experience?

There is no correlation between the two.  Gregg Williams is not a head coach.  He's just a coordinator.  He has 1/4 the responsibility that Adam Gase does. 

We followed NFL trend-  young head coach, offensive-minded, relates to players, thinks differently, here for the long-haul.  To help him succeed, we gave him an experienced special teams coordinator and experienced defensive coordinator.  Gase runs the whole show, not the tiny pieces.  We're 6-2 the last 8 games because of Coach Gase.  The others helped.  Like they're supposed to.  They're specialists.  They report to him.

24 minutes ago, JetsYanks13 said:

What makes you think this HC is suddenly going to lead this team to perhaps a top 10 offensive ranking?

Stop with this already.  The Jets weren't bottom of the league in offense.  The backups were. You don't know what our real offense would have looked like.  It didn't play this year.  I believe that what we saw from the scrubs, if we were healthy, we would have been just fine.

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4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

We were outscored by 83 points on the season.  7th-worst in the league.  The roster is bad, and Gase is bad.  These aren't mutually exclusive points.

These things could both be true and at the same time a go fund me could be a bad idea. Just a bad look imo.

 

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