RobR Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, BCJet said: Is there a solid sample size of guys moving from tackle to guard and being successful? I know Scherff was a OT who did it but who else? If a guy is a good OT in college but is short and/or has short arms then I get it or if they are better run blockers but can’t handle speed on the edge, I see that too. But it seems like the Tackle to Guard is mentioned a lot on the board and for a guy like Wilson who is 6’7 why would we move him inside? I'm not specifically saying move Wilson inside but a bunch of these tackles will be doing exactly that at the next level. A couple of first rounders that come to mind are Peat and Fluker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 17 hours ago, Guilhermezmc said: Look at sewell, my god. Yeah. He won the Outland Trophy. Would def be a top 5 pick ic he were eligible now. Hes a monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 20 hours ago, RobR said: I'm not specifically saying move Wilson inside but a bunch of these tackles will be doing exactly that at the next level. A couple of first rounders that come to mind are Peat and Fluker. Great call on Peat. Fluker to me is more someone who wasn't good at tackle, so they moved him to guard and he is not good at guard either. When we are looking at the Wilson/Beckton's of the draft, dont forget how well Orlando Brown has played for the Ravens. When you are as bid as these guys are its simply very difficult to get around them and Brown was considered to have much less play strength then Wilson or Beckton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Zack Martin was a left tackle for three years in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 2:03 PM, Jethead said: 11 Tristan Wirfs , OT Iowa 48 Terrell Lewis , EDGE Alabama 68 Jaylon Johnson , CB Utah 79 Solomon Kindley , IOL Georgia 110 Devin Duvernay , WR Texas 140 Bryan Edwards , WR South Carolina 171 Denzel Mims , WR Baylor 202 Naquan Jones , IDL Michigan State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 23 hours ago, derp said: Zack Martin was a left tackle for three years in college. Guys change positions all the time on OL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 So I thought this Daniel Jeremiah video is interesting. As some of you may recall, Jeremiah was being rumored to join the Jets front office when Douglas was hired due to the relationship they have with each other. In the video Jeremiah is asked to name a rising prospect .... and he names Mekhi Bechton, claiming that Bechton will be a top 10 pick at the end of the day. Given his connections to the Jets FO, I wonder if he is having the Bechton conversations with anybody from the Jets.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxville Jets Fan Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 31 minutes ago, maury77 said: So I thought this Daniel Jeremiah video is interesting. As some of you may recall, Jeremiah was being rumored to join the Jets front office when Douglas was hired due to the relationship they have with each other. In the video Jeremiah is asked to name a rising prospect .... and he names Mekhi Bechton, claiming that Bechton will be a top 10 pick at the end of the day. Given his connections to the Jets FO, I wonder if he is having the Bechton conversations with anybody from the Jets. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Would love it if a fourth OT gets into the Tier 1 mix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 On 1/17/2020 at 7:58 AM, Guilhermezmc said: Look at the DB at 2:23 lmao. .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) 1/22/20, 11:41 AM LSU center Lloyd Cushenberry had a really good practice yesterday. His hands are always in tight. One of the few wins for anyone vs Javon Kinlaw. pic.twitter.com/uPnPEhex2Y 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 @Patriot Killa and @Tony The Wiz. Here is some tape of Wills going against LSU this year. I'll do a quick breakdown on him since this is only the second film I've watched. Technique wise he is incredibly refined and you have to give some credit to Bamas recruiting and Oline coach. His stance, kick slides, get offs, and ARM PLACEMENT are top 90%. Check out the 4:35 and 8:04 marks. He never loses one snap in this game, dominates Chaisson badly, and is an excellent run blocker. Please give me some of your knocks on this guy. All I've got is I'm scared of drafting Bama players high, especially Olineman. Measurements will also be huge for his stock but he looks fine too me in that regard. He's a plug or play RT all day, every day and very bust proof. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Another tape from the year before against Georgia in the Championship Game. The more tape that I watch of him, the more I like him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, RobR said: @Patriot Killa and @Tony The Wiz. Here is some tape of Wills going against LSU this year. I'll do a quick breakdown on him since this is only the second film I've watched. Technique wise he is incredibly refined and you have to give some credit to Bamas recruiting and Oline coach. His stance, kick slides, get offs, and ARM PLACEMENT are top 90%. Check out the 4:35 and 8:04 marks. He never loses one snap in this game, dominates Chaisson badly, and is an excellent run blocker. Please give me some of your knocks on this guy. All I've got is I'm scared of drafting Bama players high, especially Olineman. Measurements will also be huge for his stock but he looks fine too me in that regard. He's a plug or play RT all day, every day and very bust proof. Do you think he is strong enough to hold his ground against good power rushers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvill 51 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 3 hours ago, RobR said: @Patriot Killa and @Tony The Wiz. Here is some tape of Wills going against LSU this year. I'll do a quick breakdown on him since this is only the second film I've watched. Technique wise he is incredibly refined and you have to give some credit to Bamas recruiting and Oline coach. His stance, kick slides, get offs, and ARM PLACEMENT are top 90%. Check out the 4:35 and 8:04 marks. He never loses one snap in this game, dominates Chaisson badly, and is an excellent run blocker. Please give me some of your knocks on this guy. All I've got is I'm scared of drafting Bama players high, especially Olineman. Measurements will also be huge for his stock but he looks fine too me in that regard. He's a plug or play RT all day, every day and very bust proof. Curious if you think he can play on the left side. I think he has the athleticism and technique and I know he’s been protecting Tua’s blindside, but I read somewhere that he’s only played on the right side in his career, even in high school. Check out his Auburn tape if you haven’t already. I’m certainly not as well-versed at analyzing the oline as you are, but it’s probably the best/most dominant performance from the top tier tackles I’ve seen so far (still have to watch more from Thomas). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 1:40 PM, maury77 said: So I thought this Daniel Jeremiah video is interesting. As some of you may recall, Jeremiah was being rumored to join the Jets front office when Douglas was hired due to the relationship they have with each other. In the video Jeremiah is asked to name a rising prospect .... and he names Mekhi Bechton, claiming that Bechton will be a top 10 pick at the end of the day. Given his connections to the Jets FO, I wonder if he is having the Bechton conversations with anybody from the Jets. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Good ole Daniel Jeremiah! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Here's another underrated prospect that I predict will fly up the draft board come April. Developmental guy, but he has all the tools to be a top tier LT if coached up properly. Been calling him the best kept secret at OT 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 3:40 PM, maury77 said: So I thought this Daniel Jeremiah video is interesting. As some of you may recall, Jeremiah was being rumored to join the Jets front office when Douglas was hired due to the relationship they have with each other. In the video Jeremiah is asked to name a rising prospect .... and he names Mekhi Bechton, claiming that Bechton will be a top 10 pick at the end of the day. Given his connections to the Jets FO, I wonder if he is having the Bechton conversations with anybody from the Jets. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Nice ? if this is true and it seems like Becton is REALLY picking up steam then this is down right fantastic news almost guaranteeing a top tier OT falls in the Jets lap at 11. there will be great options at WR or OL in the 2nd round. Take the OT at 11. Honestly even the Jets can’t **** this up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jvill 51 Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, David Harris said: Honestly even the Jets can’t **** this up 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted January 25, 2020 Author Share Posted January 25, 2020 6 hours ago, David Harris said: Nice ? if this is true and it seems like Becton is REALLY picking up steam then this is down right fantastic news almost guaranteeing a top tier OT falls in the Jets lap at 11. there will be great options at WR or OL in the 2nd round. Take the OT at 11. Honestly even the Jets can’t **** this up I don't guarantee anything, but I think it is safe to say Burrow, Chase Young, Okudah, Tua and Justin Herbert go top 10 (if Daniel Jones can go top 10, Herbert can definitely go top 10). That's 5 picks right there. 4 of the remaining 5 picks would have to be OTs for the Jets to miss out on the top tier of tackles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 9 hours ago, jvill 51 said: Curious if you think he can play on the left side. I think he has the athleticism and technique and I know he’s been protecting Tua’s blindside, but I read somewhere that he’s only played on the right side in his career, even in high school. Check out his Auburn tape if you haven’t already. I’m certainly not as well-versed at analyzing the oline as you are, but it’s probably the best/most dominant performance from the top tier tackles I’ve seen so far (still have to watch more from Thomas). I completely agree with this. Everything is there for him to play LT, the only question is if he's comfortable doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 9 hours ago, jvill 51 said: Curious if you think he can play on the left side. I think he has the athleticism and technique and I know he’s been protecting Tua’s blindside, but I read somewhere that he’s only played on the right side in his career, even in high school. Check out his Auburn tape if you haven’t already. I’m certainly not as well-versed at analyzing the oline as you are, but it’s probably the best/most dominant performance from the top tier tackles I’ve seen so far (still have to watch more from Thomas). So question on this. Sam likes to roll out to his right a lot. Would this increase the value of a great vs. good RT to the Jets? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvill 51 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, nycdan said: So question on this. Sam likes to roll out to his right a lot. Would this increase the value of a great vs. good RT to the Jets? I would think in some ways Sam’s style of play actually decreases the value of a great RT, but there’s several factors at play. His ability to step up and break the pocket against pressure from the right side is one of the better parts of his game and has masked just how massive the deficiency at RT has been. It’s bad enough even with Sam’s athleticism, but we saw as soon as a stiff like Falk or an older McCown had to take over just how bad it actually is. At the same time it’s still a massive need. The amount of constant, almost instant pressure from the right side forces Sam to have to make plays off script way too often to have any chance at a successful offense, especially at this point in his career when he should be more concerned with mastering the mental aspects of the position and cleaning up his footwork. Ideally fixing the RT spot will allow Sam’s ability to break the pocket to become a bonus feature to the offense, like in the game against Dallas, rather than an every down necessity. And if we’re talking about designed rollouts and sprint outs, which we should be using more than other teams given Sam’s ability to make plays on the move, then yes that would increase the value of RT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 After reading through the Senior Bowl reports (taking into account they positive are usually a bit overblown), it really seems like Becton could wind up leapfrogging some of these tackles and going in the top 10. It seems like both Becton needs "refinement" and Josh Jones needs to add strength, but these guys both seem like they are closer to the top 3 then previously thought. I also saw a mention that "Jets sources" are saying the team is leaning OT or CB in the first round and not a WR. I dont think any CB outside of Okaduh is worth a pick at 11. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Developing a man crush on Becton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 14 hours ago, King P said: Here's another underrated prospect that I predict will fly up the draft board come April. Developmental guy, but he has all the tools to be a top tier LT if coached up properly. Been calling him the best kept secret at OT Isn't UCONN where Fatukasi went to school? Perhaps they have a little something going up there with these unpolished players. Where would you guess somebody takes a flyer on Peart? 5th round? He looks the part but is also playing RT in that video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 FYI - Kiper currently has Matt Peart as his #6 OT, above some other notable names like Austin Jackson and Lucas Niang. His Top 4 seem to be the concensus now amongst most Draftniks and the people around here (even if we all order them a little differently). One name that is surprisingly missing (at least to me) is Prince Wanogho. I'd think he would be a Top 10 guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 yikes! I'd take this batch. 11 Andrew Thomas , OT Georgia 48 Terrell Lewis , EDGE Alabama 68 Jaylon Johnson , CB Utah 79 Nick Harris , IOL Washington 110 Michael Pittman Jr. , WR USC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 hours ago, jetstream23 said: Isn't UCONN where Fatukasi went to school? Perhaps they have a little something going up there with these unpolished players. Where would you guess somebody takes a flyer on Peart? 5th round? He looks the part but is also playing RT in that video. He's played all over the line. Left, Right, and Guard. I'd be ecstatic if he was there in the 5th. In all reality, he'll be gone by the 3rd (maybe even late 2nd) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Saahdiq Charles was LSU’s LT, obviously they had an outstanding season. Looks extremely athletic albeit a bit undersized. Think his combine will be impressive. Build reminds me of Brick a little. Experience at LT, RT, and LG. Will have to answer questions about a suspension last year - rumors are that it was related to multiple failed drug tests. Day 2/early day 3 guy right now, I think he’s somebody to keep an eye on along with those other tier 2 athletic tackles like Jones and Peart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/25/2020 at 9:23 AM, maury77 said: I don't guarantee anything, but I think it is safe to say Burrow, Chase Young, Okudah, Tua and Justin Herbert go top 10 (if Daniel Jones can go top 10, Herbert can definitely go top 10). That's 5 picks right there. 4 of the remaining 5 picks would have to be OTs for the Jets to miss out on the top tier of tackles. Throw in Brown and Simmons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 Throw in Brown and Simmons?Brown, yes. Simmons, I’m not so sureSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 So a guy I know nothing at all about has caught my attention. Center Cesar Ruiz from Mich. He seems to be listed as roughly the third-best Center in the draft and the only true Junior. The more I read on him, the more I wonder why he has been under the radar. Big (6'4" 320), strong and reasonably quick for his size. Young (he's still 20). Experienced (3-year starter) and he can play Guard or Center. I have not read a single red flag on him and basically, he feels like a perfect guy to plug into the mix. https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/cesar-ruiz/HRgG1Dhpp7 https://www.ganggreennation.com/2020/2/9/21125461/2020-nfl-draft-prospect-center-cesar-ruiz 2nd round might be too high although both Kiper and McShay have mocked him to us in that round. Anyone have some intel on him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 10:15 PM, RobR said: This class is even better and it isn't close. Give it a month or so and the talking heads will start chirping about how stacked this OT class is. Becton I’m seeing projected going in the 20’s in some mocks I think he’s gonna be an absolute stud LT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 1/17/2020 at 9:50 AM, BCJet said: Is there a solid sample size of guys moving from tackle to guard and being successful? I know Scherff was a OT who did it but who else? If a guy is a good OT in college but is short and/or has short arms then I get it or if they are better run blockers but can’t handle speed on the edge, I see that too. But it seems like the Tackle to Guard is mentioned a lot on the board and for a guy like Wilson who is 6’7 why would we move him inside? Zack Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 1/25/2020 at 10:26 AM, nycdan said: So question on this. Sam likes to roll out to his right a lot. Would this increase the value of a great vs. good RT to the Jets? Sure it would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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