As an absolute surprise to no one, Gase has lost the locker room

[Ohhthepain]

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The remaining 23 teams are not expected to make a coaching change this offseason. 

There are, of course, surprises every hiring and firing season that can't be factored in as of now. 

"The Browns can announce that Kitchens is the guy, but I don't know anyone who believes his job is safe," said one former NFL general manager who hopes to break back in. "That situation is a mess, and while ownership might not want to pay another fired head coach, something has to give."

The same goes for the New York Jets. One player told me Adam Gase has lost the respect of the locker room with his "tough guy bulls--t attitude" and the team's lack of a plan offensively. "Guys actually respect Gregg Williams," the player said. "No one respects Gase."

Owner Christopher Johnson fired Todd Bowles and the front office last offseason, though, and might not be willing to pay another coach to leave.

[freestater]

Coaching where football is going. 

[jetscrazey]

Awesome, so another lost season next year....wasting Darnold's rookie contract

[CTM]

Thanks for your anonymous POV presmal

[Fantasy Island]

Now can all the Disgase apologists please see the fraud for what he is?  

 

[Matt39]

Imagine what our record would be if he won the locker room.

[JustInFudge]

18 minutes ago, Ohhthepain said:

The same goes for the New York Jets. One player told me Adam Gase has lost the respect of the locker room with his "tough guy bulls--t attitude" and the team's lack of a plan offensively. "Guys actually respect Gregg Williams," the player said. "No one respects Gase."

It's not like Jamal not put his name on something...

[T0mShane]

They’re 4-2 in their last six and played their asses off against the best, most physical team in the league but ok. 

[HawkeyeJet]

I don't think Gase is well liked.  He doesn't have to be.  Especially coming off a string of "players coaches".

The one thing I hear a lot about Gase that bothers me much more than anything is that he basically doesn't do anything with the defense.  

I absolutely am not an advocate of how he approaches being a head coach(he's not the only one either).  He's a glorified coordinator that has a yes man in Loggains by his side.  If I had my way, he'd can Loggains, hire someone that he can calloborate with on offense and over see the entire team.  I'm not saying that is absolutely the right way to do things, but if I were running the Jets, that's what I'd be looking for a HC to do.

[Losmeister]

where are the MEMBERS constituting the

Matt Rhule Will Conquer the NFL and leave us all quivering at his MIGHT Club?

[SummerofSam14]

Fred Kitchens and Adam Gase walk into a bar....

[Losmeister]

3 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

has a yes man in (fill in the name of every NFL HC's yes man) by his side.

ffs

[JohnnyLV]

I realize the Johnsons are corporate guys so they will naturally gravitate towards more politically polished guys like Idzik and MacLoser and to some extent Bowles, but it is still baffling how they make decisions. Gase is a guy who never should have even been under consideration for the head coaching position because of the job he did in Miami and especially the way that situation ended. I think many fans here would agree that he wasnt even really interview worthy.

Not firing Bowles and MacCraphead at the same time was also completely idiotic.

I did not like the Gase hire. Then he said some things that made me think he would be really good for Darnold. They Darnold struggled trying to be Manning, but gave him the benefit of the doubt again after the offense changed after Darnold's "talk" But clearly Gase is stubborn because the last 2 games he is back to trying to make Darnold Manning.

Fire Gase, Loggains and make Williams HC. He did not do well his first time, but did well as interim last year, his defensive coaching has been very good and it will allow some level of continuity as opposed to blowing the entire thing up.

 

[Paradis]

2 hours ago, jetscrazey said:

Awesome, so another lost season next year....wasting Darnold's rookie contract

This.

Not even his contract - his life.

This sport has the shortest expiry date, and we're going to see this Gase-Circus through another year for no other reason than "well, you know...."... Fck that. What is the best case scenario with Gase?  If everyone's healthy and the schedule is forgiving.. 10-6? Does anyone really think we're going to the SB with this clown?

Fcking Jets.

[CTM]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

They’re 4-2 in their last six and played their asses off against the best, most physical team in the league but ok. 

Right. Its absurd. This had all the looks of a 1-15 dumpster fire after NE/Jax/Miami 

[SummerofSam14]

1 minute ago, CTM said:

Right. Its absurd. This had all the looks of a 1-15 dumpster fire after NE/Jax/Miami 

Gase is very fortunate he faced the easiest schedule in the league. This 5-11 record could easily be a 2-14 or 3-13 record. 

[Paradis]

11 hours ago, T0mShane said:

They’re 4-2 in their last six and played their asses off against the best, most physical team in the league but ok. 

So what. 

They (the players and staff) are fighting for their jobs too. I'm sorry, but I know you're too smart for this BS. If you're choosing to be willfully ignorant, then that's on you. This isn't a Peter Berg movie - and the assessment isn't black and white. Of course there's something Gase does well. But it's not enough. He doesn't have the leadership qualities need to take a good team the distance. Not a fcking chance. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

Gase is an dumb. Idk why he didn’t learn that he can’t continue to force his bullsht on the team. 

This year was tough with all the injuries and QBs going down but I hate his attitude and how he thinks he’s the smartest person in the room. 

The only guys he likes is Darnold, Griffin and Thomas. He thinks every one else is an idiot. 

[SummerofSam14]

2 minutes ago, Paradis said:

This. Not even his contract - his life. This sport has the shortest expiry date, and we're going to see this Gase-Circus through another year for no other reason than "well, you know...."... Fck that. What is the best case scenario with Gase?  If everyone's healthy and the schedule is forgiving.. 10-6? Does anyone really think we're going to the SB with this clown?

Fcking Jets.

There is almost zero chance Gase is back in 2021. The Jets cannot fix all these flaws in one offseason. Darnold will have to evolve into a top 5 QB in order for the Jets to have a winning record against that schedule. 

[HawkeyeJet]

8 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

ffs

That's ridiculous.  You legitimately think NFL coaches don't hire people who challenge their ideas?  For example, John Harbaugh and Greg Roman share the same offensive ideology?

[CTM]

1 minute ago, SummerofSam14 said:

Gase is very fortunate he faced the easiest schedule in the league. This 5-11 record could easily be a 2-14 or 3-13 record. 

No question the schedule got very favorable. However it's hard to say the team quit on him when they've been playing hard and winning games.

I'm not a Gase fan really, I didn't like the hire and don't like his resume. I do think we owe him a huge debt of gratitude for excising Mac so that alone almost buys him year 2 from me.  But I also believe the team has performed within the realm of reasonable expectations for it, given the lack of talent and injuries.

I think the reaction to him has been way over the top and I really don't get it. The billboard cretins have re-emerged 10 games into his career after years of silence on Mac who was unquestionably worse at his job than Gase is at his. I don't get it.

[IndianaJet]

I'm sure this dude from Joplin Missouri has many contacts into the Jets locker room.

"one player told me" - which player was that?  Jarvis Landry?

[slats]

46 minutes ago, Ohhthepain said:

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2867706-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-nfl-insiders-preview-2020-coaching-carousel.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

 

The remaining 23 teams are not expected to make a coaching change this offseason. 

There are, of course, surprises every hiring and firing season that can't be factored in as of now. 

"The Browns can announce that Kitchens is the guy, but I don't know anyone who believes his job is safe," said one former NFL general manager who hopes to break back in. "That situation is a mess, and while ownership might not want to pay another fired head coach, something has to give."

The same goes for the New York Jets. One player told me Adam Gase has lost the respect of the locker room with his "tough guy bulls--t attitude" and the team's lack of a plan offensively. "Guys actually respect Gregg Williams," the player said. "No one respects Gase."

Owner Christopher Johnson fired Todd Bowles and the front office last offseason, though, and might not be willing to pay another coach to leave.

One player told a guy at the Bleacher Report...

19 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I don't think Gase is well liked.  He doesn't have to be.  Especially coming off a string of "players coaches".

The one thing I hear a lot about Gase that bothers me much more than anything is that he basically doesn't do anything with the defense.  

I absolutely am not an advocate of how he approaches being a head coach(he's not the only one either).  He's a glorified coordinator that has a yes man in Loggains by his side.  If I had my way, he'd can Loggains, hire someone that he can calloborate with on offense and over see the entire team.  I'm not saying that is absolutely the right way to do things, but if I were running the Jets, that's what I'd be looking for a HC to do.

This, I agree with. 

Before this year the Jets had gone a couple years without an opening drive TD, this season they did that three games in a row. So there’s some good coming from Gase’s offense, but adding a legit offensive coordinator -especially to help with in game adjustments- would be beneficial. I’m fine with Gase focusing on offense, but he does need more freedom to oversee the whole team. 

[Barry McCockinner]

Manish Mehta:

[T0mShane]

31 minutes ago, Paradis said:

This. Not even his contract - his life. This sport has the shortest expiry date, and we're going to see this Gase-Circus through another year for no other reason than "well, you know...."... Fck that. What is the best case scenario with Gase?  If everyone's healthy and the schedule is forgiving.. 10-6? Does anyone really think we're going to the SB with this clown?

Fcking Jets.

What coach is taking the 2020 Jets to the Super Bowl?

[Losmeister]

28 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

That's ridiculous.  You legitimately think NFL coaches don't hire people who challenge their ideas?  For example, John Harbaugh and Greg Roman share the same offensive ideology?

They all have their own dudes. This is not mutually exclusive to ALSO having guys who may challnege ideas.

As for the emboldened section I'd say YES. Maximize and nurture Lamar's talent.

[Creepy Lurker]

45 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

They’re 4-2 in their last six and played their asses off against the best, most physical team in the league but ok. 

You mean the easy part of the schedule? I’m not jumping on Gase but this was the easier part of the schedule. 

[Losmeister]

19 minutes ago, slats said:

to oversee the whole team

and what EXACTLY does is the benefit of that? In THIS case, with AG?

GW is doing his job. Boyer his.    shrug

[SAR I]

One player's father told me that the players are very happy and respect Coach Gase under these tough circumstances with injuries.

So there you go.

SAR I

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said:

You mean the easy part of the schedule? I’m not jumping on Gase but this was the easier part of the schedule. 

Which may be true, but teams who have quit probably aren’t going 4-2 after starting 1-7 regardless of strength of schedule 

[Beerfish]

I dislike Gase as a coach.

I think the 'source' is right about the pedestrian offense.

I think the whiny millennials should shut the F up and do their job.

These days you lose the locker room by not giving the team a 5 minute smart phone break every half hour of team meeting.

Does a coach ever have a locker room?  Yeah when you are 13-2.

(Sticking up for Gase on that one point may god have mercy on my soul.)

[Creepy Lurker]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Which may be true, but teams who have quit probably aren’t going 4-2 after starting 1-7 regardless of strength of schedule 

True. It is a very Jekyll and Hyde schedule with how tough it was in the beginning and easy during that stretch. 

[slats]

3 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

and what EXACTLY does is the benefit of that? In THIS case, with AG?

GW is doing his job. Boyer his.    shrug

A team can't be three teams, it needs to be one team. Doesn't matter who the head coach is. 

[T0mShane]

25 minutes ago, slats said:

This, I agree with. 

Before this year the Jets had gone a couple years without an opening drive TD, this season they did that three games in a row. So there’s some good coming from Gase’s offense, but adding a legit offensive coordinator -especially to help with in game adjustments- would be beneficial. I’m fine with Gase focusing on offense, but he does need more freedom to oversee the whole team. 

Gase has Jim Bob Cooter on the staff, who ran some innovative sh*t with the Lions. I’m not sure how much of a value-add Loggains is, but overall Gase has hired some legitimate coaches for this team. 

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

think the whiny millennials should shut the F up and do their job.

It’s likely Trumaine Johnson.