As an absolute surprise to no one, Gase has lost the locker room

[TuscanyTile2]

As an absolute surprise to no one, Gase has lost the locker room

I guarantee you this is a very big surprise to some people on here.  

[Creepy Lurker]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It’s likely Trumaine Johnson.

He probably shouldn’t complain about Hotel Jetland where you cash in and do absolutely nothing but coast until they cut you. He’s had it made while here. 

[WowOhWow]

I don't need to read anything.  I simply need to watch the team.  Gase has been terrible.  Period.

Getting wins against the crap teams we've beaten and thinking it adds up to anything is laughable.

Gase is not good, nor is he long term for this role.  Cut bait.  Move on.

For those of you advocating for not firing him you're basically agreeing with CJ and Woody.  Good luck with that.

[Bruce Harper]

1 hour ago, Ohhthepain said:

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2867706-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-nfl-insiders-preview-2020-coaching-carousel.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

 

The remaining 23 teams are not expected to make a coaching change this offseason. 

There are, of course, surprises every hiring and firing season that can't be factored in as of now. 

"The Browns can announce that Kitchens is the guy, but I don't know anyone who believes his job is safe," said one former NFL general manager who hopes to break back in. "That situation is a mess, and while ownership might not want to pay another fired head coach, something has to give."

The same goes for the New York Jets. One player told me Adam Gase has lost the respect of the locker room with his "tough guy bulls--t attitude" and the team's lack of a plan offensively. "Guys actually respect Gregg Williams," the player said. "No one respects Gase."

Owner Christopher Johnson fired Todd Bowles and the front office last offseason, though, and might not be willing to pay another coach to leave.

 

13 minutes ago, SAR I said:

One player's father told me that the players are very happy and respect Coach Gase under these tough circumstances with injuries.

So there you go.

SAR I

They sure do seem to be playing hard for him.

[Patriot Killa]

As much as it gets away from “offense oriented” or “direct influence and development of Darnold”, I would make Gregg Williams my head coach in a year or 2 and ensure he doesn’t go anywhere. He’s the guy players respect, feel comfortable talking to, ect, and he’s clearly shown he can adapt and get the best out of any player. Let Gregg get an OC and see what happens when this 2 year Gase experiment fails.

[SAR I]

18 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Which may be true, but teams who have quit probably aren’t going 4-2 after starting 1-7 regardless of strength of schedule 

"We hate Coach Gase so we're going to win 4 of our last 6 games.  Yeah, that'll show him!"

--No Player, Ever

[Beerfish]

13 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It’s likely Trumaine Johnson.

As another poster mused, sounds like the prez to me.

[Jet_Engine1]

4 minutes ago, SAR I said:

"We hate Coach Gase so we're going to win 4 of our last 6 games.  Yeah, that'll show him!"

--No Player, Ever

Game tape is their resume. 

[The Crusher]

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

As another poster mused, sounds like the prez to me.

The Prez’s soundbyte would involve more delusional self-praise. It’d read more like this: “We got a lot of dawgs on the defense that’s playing their hearts out, but the offense ain’t sh*t. If they scored a few more touchdowns, we’d be 14-2 cuz the D has been locking people up all year.”

[Paradis]

37 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

What coach is taking the 2020 Jets to the Super Bowl?

again, you're not that dumb and neither am I.... No one is *likely* taking the team in 2020 to the promised land... 

that's not what it's about. It's about the potential to do so, whether it's in 2020, 2021, or 2022 even.. delaying the inevitable only continues to create the path of most resistance. Assess the coach - does he have the leadership and gumption to get it done *eventually*... Gase? No. 

So move on. 

[peebag]

40 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

What coach is taking the 2020 Jets to the Super Bowl?

Dead Weeb 

[Paradis]

12 minutes ago, SAR I said:

"We hate Coach Gase so we're going to win 4 of our last 6 games.  Yeah, that'll show him!"

--No Player, Ever

that's stupid, and as a successful human being - you look the dumber for posting this trash.

Players have jobs to play for too. So do coordinators and position coaches. This isn't fcking mario kart. 

[Patriot Killa]

16 minutes ago, SAR I said:

"We hate Coach Gase so we're going to win 4 of our last 6 games.  Yeah, that'll show him!"

--No Player, Ever

He can’t consistently make good Half-time adjustments, he doesn't adapt to the way the defense is playing his offense, he doesn’t take much advantage of what a defense isn’t doing well, he’s some offensive guru but can’t find creative enough ways to get Le’Veon’s hands on the ball more, he acknowledges he needs to get Bell out in space but simply doesn’t do it good enough...because he can’t do it good enough. OL is awful and I’m more than willing to say that hinders the success of the running game but there are other ways to get Bell in big play space. It feels like Darnold has only improved based off himself and having experience under his belt — not because of Gase’s play calling. He hasn’t put him in great situations, again, the roster talent has something to do with it but the play calling...the play calling isn’t there. I’ve seen less talented players get open consistently. Somebody is always getting left out of the game plan. It’s Robby one day and Bell another. 

These results aren't good enough for me and idk how they are for anyone else.

[Scott Dierking]

Making guys show up for appointments that are scheduled with trainers does seem to be a bit over the top in expectations.

[Bruce Harper]

Remember this from 2003?

 

[KRL]

I'm still not sold on Gase and I'm not a defender.  But if he's lost
the team why didn't they totally tank after losing to MIA when they
fell to 1-7???  Why are they 4-2 in the second half of the season???
Just asking.  Also who is the "player" making these comments???
Someone who was cut, put on IR or who was fined???  Again just asking

[Scott Dierking]

3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

He can’t consistently make good Hal-time adjustments

[Adoni Beast]

8 minutes ago, KRL said:

I'm still not sold on Gase and I'm not a defender.  But if he's lost
the team why didn't they totally tank after losing to MIA when they
fell to 1-7???  Why are they 4-2 in the second half of the season???
Just asking.  Also who is the "player" making these comments???
Someone who was cut, put on IR or who was fined???  Again just asking

Because players make their living on their film and effort. Mail it in and your next contract won’t look so hot, or will be non existent. Players playing hard for coaching, especially in the NFL has always been a bit overrated. Sure, some coaches have been master motivators. But nothing motivates like self-interest and fear.

Time in the NFL is short. Players know this and need to keep their value as high as possible. There’s always hungry players coming in looking to take a roster spot.

[jetscrazey]

Even the average fan watching on TV can see Gase has NO idea how to orchestrate a running game.  It's a bit of a handicap when the other team knows you're putting it all on Darnold.

Gase is awful, they shouldn't wait another year to fire him.  One and done. 

[Beerfish]

Gase is a great coach how else could we hang with and almost beat so many quality teams.

- Crushed by a bad Philly team

- Stomped by a suspect Cleveland team

- Thrashed by a suspect Jax team

- Beaten by the juggernaut Fins.

- Whipped by the Bengals

[slats]

40 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

As another poster mused, sounds like the prez to me.

What has Jamal Adams ever done anonymously? 

[Barry McCockinner]

I despise this Gase joker and want him fired but have to agree with the guys saying this doesn't look like a team who quit on the coach. Probably just a player who was benched or disciplined saying this.

[Beerfish]

"He can’t consistently make good Hal-time adjustments "

I really think we should run the ball more Dave....I mean Adam

[Beerfish]

2 minutes ago, slats said:

What has Jamal Adams ever done anonymously? 

This is true but not sure he would have the balls to outright throw his boss under the bus.

[RutgersJetFan]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

They’re 4-2 in their last six and played their asses off against the best, most physical team in the league but ok. 

I'm a big fan of framing things arbitrarily. Let me try: They're 1-2 in their last 3, and one of those losses was to the worst team in the league.

[T0mShane]

31 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

he doesn't adapt to the way the defense is playing his offense, he doesn’t take much advantage of what a defense isn’t doing well,

This is overstated. He’s got Vyncint Smith and Daniel Brown playing significant roles on offense. What adjustments are you supposed to make to deal with putting street free agents on the field? It’s not like he’s got a veteran team that can change things up on the fly. It’d be a huge accomplishment if all eleven guys on any given play know ten different plays at this point.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I'm a big fan of framing things arbitrarily. Let me try: They're 1-2 in their last 3, and one of those losses was to the worst team in the league.

So did they quit last week, or like in the third quarter of last week? Or when? We’re trying to deduce at what point in the season the players all went belly up because Adam is mean 

[peekskill68]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

What coach is taking the 2020 Jets to the Super Bowl?

 It's hard to evaluate Gase with this roster.  He quite possibly has OVERACHIEVED and we don't even realize it.  Go to that other thread with the 2002 Colts playoff game on it.  Look at the talent level of that team with two HOF players and several Pro Bowlers and compare it to now...

[T0mShane]

41 minutes ago, Paradis said:

again, you're not that dumb and neither am I.... No one is *likely* taking the team in 2020 to the promised land... 

that's not what it's about. It's about the potential to do so, whether it's in 2020, 2021, or 2022 even.. delaying the inevitable only continues to create the path of most resistance. Assess the coach - does he have the leadership and gumption to get it done *eventually*... Gase? No. 

So move on. 

This isn’t defending Gase per se, but I think you’d have to consider who the guy is who’s going to have more gumption and would actually take the job at this point.

[Scoop24]

38 minutes ago, KRL said:

I'm still not sold on Gase and I'm not a defender.  But if he's lost
the team why didn't they totally tank after losing to MIA when they
fell to 1-7???  Why are they 4-2 in the second half of the season???
Just asking.  Also who is the "player" making these comments???
Someone who was cut, put on IR or who was fined???  Again just asking

Osemele had to get those comments out.

[RutgersJetFan]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

So did they quit last week, or like in the third quarter of last week? Or when? We’re trying to deduce at what point in the season the players all went belly up because Adam is mean 

I think this franchise quit about 10 years ago. In the meantime they're 5-9 on the year and Darnold's numbers are abysmal. The aggregate, as always, is all that matters, and everything in the aggregate is bad except the run defense which is just awesome for our purposes considering it's two thousand and ******* twenty. Stop trying to frame this season as good and let all of us enjoy this holiday season in misery as is custom by now.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I think this franchise quit about 10 years ago. In the meantime they're 5-9 on the year and Darnold's numbers are abysmal. The aggregate, as always, is all that matters, and everything in the aggregate is bad except the run defense which is just awesome for our purposes considering it's two thousand and ******* twenty. Stop trying to frame this season as good and let all of us enjoy this holiday season in misery as is custom by now.

The season is bad but it was always gonna be bad. Drink Arby’s 

[Snell41]

Because players make their living on their film and effort. Mail it in and your next contract won’t look so hot, or will be non existent. Players playing hard for coaching, especially in the NFL has always been a bit overrated. Sure, some coaches have been master motivators. But nothing motivates like self-interest and fear.

Time in the NFL is short. Players know this and need to keep their value as high as possible. There’s always hungry players coming in looking to take a roster spot.

 

So he didn’t lose the team. Players mail it in all the time, every year. Look at CLE. The team has not mailed it in, they’ve been playing hard to the scheme since day one, they just suck. That’s not Gase’s fault, he didn’t have any part of building this team yet. Many fans just didn’t like him from day 1, because he was a Dolphin, because he’s rough around the edges, because he has googly eyes. And they’ve been pounding the table since. This team sucks, even healthy they sucked. We were never going to contend, never no matter who coached.

 

 

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[CTJetsFan]

1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said:

As much as it gets away from “offense oriented” or “direct influence and development of Darnold”, I would make Gregg Williams my head coach in a year or 2 and ensure he doesn’t go anywhere. He’s the guy players respect, feel comfortable talking to, ect, and he’s clearly shown he can adapt and get the best out of any player. Let Gregg get an OC and see what happens when this 2 year Gase experiment fails.

I'll take this thought one step further. I suggested this to a friend (and fellow Jets fan) a few weeks ago:

Make Williams the head coach and make Gase the OC.

Gase seems to be socially awkward with the media and seems uncomfortable as face of a franchise. He seems to be more of a "bookworm"/"mad scientist" type who just wants to design Xs and Os for his offense. Ok....let him do that. It keeps continuity for Sam. I actually believe Gase may not mind this change (just based on behavior and personality) being moved out of the spotlight.

Let Williams be the "bad cop" in the locker room....kicking a@@ when needed. He's good with the media and this will save him from leaving for a HC job. Now...if he believes that Gase is hurting Sam's development or there's other issues we're unaware of, then let him pick his own OC.

It would be so Jets-esque that I'm sure the media might kill it, but if the 2 main parties (Gase & Williams) think it will work, I think it just might.