Not “Seeing Ghosts” anymore

[Jets723]

1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said:

The entire 90's was just hurt for me. The Pacers were 1 of the top 5 most consistent teams that decade, and we just could never find our way to the finals. Either the Knicks, Bulls or Magic stopped us. 
 

The Pacers, a small market team made the conference finals 5 times...in the Jordan era. Reggie should have won a ring man. 

Damn, talking about this Im feeling a bit pissy at the Knicks again! lmao. 

 

That 94 season I remember we actually came back in that series to take the game lead, the the knicks closed out the series and went on to the finals. 

It’s weird for me talking to a Pacer fan lol.  

[Villain The Foe]

Just now, Jets723 said:

It’s weird for me talking to a Pacer fan lol.  

haha, true. It was awesome for me.

I was a Pacer fan who grew up in NYC. The amount of debates I had with friends during that time was pretty awesome. 

 

Good times for sure. The league isnt the same anymore. Even with Jordan around, and winning, teams still had a legit chance. Today the league is just weak. 

[Jets723]

1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said:

haha, true. It was awesome for me.

I was a Pacer fan who grew up in NYC. The amount of debates I had with friends during that time was pretty awesome. 

 

Good times for sure. The league isnt the same anymore. Even with Jordan around, and winning, teams still had a legit chance. Today the league is just weak. 

I think you are lucky to being able to survive a Pacer fan in NYC especially during that era when the Knicks were a contender ? 

[Villain The Foe]

3 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

I think you are lucky to being able to survive a Pacer fan in NYC especially during that era when the Knicks were a contender ? 

True. 

On two separate occasions the Knicks beat the Pacers to get to the finals, however we had the last laugh in 2000 to face the Lakers. 

 

It took a full decade and Miller not being in his prime, but that was probably the most talented team the Pacers ever had. Jalen Rose, Austin Croshere, Chis Mullin and Sam Perkins finally got us over the top. 

[pdxgreen]

On 12/27/2019 at 10:38 AM, Villain The Foe said:

The entire 90's was just hurt for me. The Pacers were 1 of the top 5 most consistent teams that decade, and we just could never find our way to the finals. Either the Knicks, Bulls or Magic stopped us. 
 

The Pacers, a small market team made the conference finals 5 times...in the Jordan era. Reggie should have won a ring man. 

Damn, talking about this Im feeling a bit pissy at the Knicks again! lmao. 

 

That 94 season I remember we actually came back in that series to take the game lead, but the knicks closed out the series and went on to the finals. 

I'm a Blazer fan.  I've lost faith in the NBA.  The small market teams are so royally ____ed now.  This last off season where 8 of the top 10 players moved.... even ones on huge contracts.  I knew it was over.  Portland has Dame but it's only a matter of time... We signed him to the Max but local sports writers are already saying he can't stand the team's current losing streak.  It's testing his patience and we are what 14-17?  I know he's said he wants to do what Dirk did.  But there is just no way we are ever going to sport enough talent to get to the NBA FInals.  Nowadays you sign a player because you "owe it to them."  Then if you don't win "you've wasted their prime."  Teams like Boston and LA know this.  Kyrie doesn't work out.  Sign and trade for Kemba Walker!  If he doesn't work out... trade him back.  The modern NBA only works for about 7-8 markets.  It's the big lie that Silver can't bring himself to face.  That's what this stupid f-ing mid season tournament is about.  Trying to put a mask over the reality that over half the league can't win the big one.

[Villain The Foe]

5 minutes ago, pdxgreen said:

I'm a Blazer fan.  I've lost faith in the NBA.  The small market teams are so royally ____ed now.  This last off season where 8 of the top 10 players moved.... even ones on huge contracts.  I knew it was over.  Portland has Dame but it's only a matter of time... We signed him to the Max but local sports writers are already saying he can't stand the team's current losing streak.  It's testing his patience and we are what 14-17?  There is just no way in a league with this much of a talent vacuum for small markets to be able to exist.  You'll sign a player because you "owe it to them."  Then if you don't win "you've wasted their prime."  Teams like Boston and LA know this.  Kyrie doesn't work out.  Sign and trade for Kemba Walker!  If he doesn't work out... trade him back.  The modern  NBA only works for about 7-8 markets.

 I know that the league has to be absolute crap now. Players are leaving just to make "super teams" and all this nonsense. And this has been going on for years. I love the fact that dudes are really getting paid, but in terms of the direction of the league, it's terrible now. 

In the 80's you had a solid starting five. In the 90's you had your top 3 players and a great 6th man. In the 2000's you had these 1 man superstars or 2 man teams and the teams never built around them. Now its like these players are all going to one team trying to win it all. 

The league has been unwatchable the past 15 years. 

[pdxgreen]

30 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

 I know that the league has to be absolute crap now. Players are leaving just to make "super teams" and all this nonsense. And this has been going on for years. I love the fact that dudes are really getting paid, but in terms of the direction of the league, it's terrible now. 

In the 80's you had a solid starting five. In the 90's you had your top 3 players and a great 6th man. In the 2000's you had these 1 man superstars or 2 man teams and the teams never built around them. Now its like these players are all going to one team trying to win it all. 

The league has been unwatchable the past 15 years. 

Man.  It was so much fun to be a fan of the NBA in the 80's and 90's.  I used to get to see my heroes around town like Clyde Drexler and Jerome Kersey and Terry Porter.  Now I have friends who work for the Blazers and it feels like the franchise has outgrown the city.  We are never good enough.  Our fanship isn't good enough.  At least that's what it feels like. Most players live somewhere else offseason or wants to be somewhere else.  A young millionaire doesn't want to live in this hipster sh*t hole.  ****.  Even Carmelo couldn't get a job... it still feels like he's doing US a favor when he's jacking up shots.  I just don't get it man.  We've never had an All Star game here.  The owner just past away so nobody knows how to feel about from year to year.  But if we tank then somehow that's a bad thing?  Even being a Jets fans makes more sense.  

[Villain The Foe]

4 minutes ago, pdxgreen said:

Man.  It was so much fun to be a fan of the NBA in the 80's and 90's.  I used to get to see my heroes around town like Clyde Drexler and Jerome Kersey and Terry Porter.  Now I have friends who work for the Blazers and it feels like the franchise has outgrown the city.  We are never good enough.  Our fanship isn't good enough.  Everybody lives somewhere else or wants to be somewhere else.  A young millionaire doesn't want to live in this hipster sh*t hole.  ****.  Even Carmelo couldn't get a job... it still feels like he's doing US a favor when he's jacking up shots.  I just don't get it man.  We've never had an All Star game here.  The owner just past away.  But if we tank then somehow that's a bad thing?  Even being a Jets fans makes more sense. 

Damn bro, you're about to make me f'ing cry! "You know it's bad when being a Jets fan makes more sense"! lmao. 

I feel you though. I never knew a Blazers fan, but I remember those Kevin Duckworth, Jerome Kersey, Clyde the Glide, Terry Porter teams. Even afterwards during the Scottie Pippen years. To think that you guys never even hosted an all-star game. That's kinda crazy. 

[Jets723]

25 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

True. 

On two separate occasions the Knicks beat the Pacers to get to the finals, however we had the last laugh in 2000 to face the Lakers. 

 

It took a full decade and Miller not being in his prime, but that was probably the most talented team the Pacers ever had. Jalen Rose, Austin Croshere, Chis Mullin and Sam Perkins finally got us over the top. 

2000 was the end of that Knicks run.  It’s been downhill since then

[pdxgreen]

12 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Damn bro, you're about to make me f'ing cry! "You know it's bad when being a Jets fan makes more sense"! lmao. 

I feel you though. I never knew a Blazers fan, but I remember those Kevin Duckworth, Jerome Kersey, Clyde the Glide, Terry Porter teams. Even afterwards during the Scottie Pippen years. To think that you guys never even hosted an all-star game. That's kinda crazy. 

Yeah.  It's really that bad.  Not from the outside.  But NBA ratings overall have dropped sharply this year.  Not on a national level, but market per market.... If you live in a town without Lebron or AD or Kawhi.  What's the point?   The franchise is technically the guy who can draw the players needed.  If Giannis leaves Milwaukee then I think that's it for small market hopes.

[Villain The Foe]

13 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

2000 was the end of that Knicks run.  It’s been downhill since then

That's true. That was a great 10 years prior. 

[Villain The Foe]

11 minutes ago, pdxgreen said:

Yeah.  It's really that bad.  Not from the outside.  But NBA ratings overall have dropped sharply this year.  Not on a national level, but market per market.... If you live in a town without Lebron or AD or Kawhi.  What's the point?   The franchise is technically the guy who can draw the players needed.  If Giannis leaves Milwaukee then I think that's it for small market hopes.

Exactly. This is were the NFL really thrives. The NBA however is really dropping the ball. 

[Villain The Foe]

13 minutes ago, pdxgreen said:

Yeah.  It's really that bad.  Not from the outside.  But NBA ratings overall have dropped sharply this year.  Not on a national level, but market per market.... If you live in a town without Lebron or AD or Kawhi.  What's the point?   The franchise is technically the guy who can draw the players needed.  If Giannis leaves Milwaukee then I think that's it for small market hopes.

Another think about this is how NBA teams, unlike how they did back in the 80' and 90's, no longer draft and develop players. 

You are a fan of a small market team and so was I. Most of our great players were drafted because places like Portland or Indiana werent huge free agent destinations. You really had to have a great front office that could identify talent and develop that talent. 

 

None of that exists in the NBA today. It's crazy. 

[pdxgreen]

3 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Exactly. This is were the NFL really thrives. The NBA however is really dropping the ball. 

Well.  Having the Ducks and Gonzaga on every week through March kind of helps too.  ?

[Villain The Foe]

45 minutes ago, pdxgreen said:

Well.  Having the Ducks and Gonzaga on every week through March kind of helps too.  ?

That's facts!

[Jetsfan80]

4 hours ago, SummerofSam14 said:

I think the New England game is enough of an outlier that it’s worth discussing. It’s almost like when Tanaka gave up 13 runs in Boston and killed his ERA. Darnold threw the ball 32 times for only 86 yds vs the Pats. It was a historically bad outing. 

 

Then you need to remove at least one outlier game on the positive end.  I.E. his best game against a weak defense.  

[Villain The Foe]

31 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Then you need to remove at least one outlier game on the positive end.  I.E. his best game against a weak defense.  

Exactly. This is why folks should just take his career for what it is. It's not even like he had a bad season to where fans need to damage control. It was a solid 2nd year.

 

You'll never hear anyone consider Sam's first-ever 4TD performance against Washington this year an "outlier game". 

 

 

 

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Exactly. This is why folks should just take his career for what it is. 

 

You'll never hear anyone consider Sam's first-ever 4TD performance against Washington this year an "outlier game". 

 

 

 

No.  That's just "The real Sam"

[Villain The Foe]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

No.  That's just "The real Sam"

When you "annualize" it, of course.

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, Villain The Foe said:

When you "annualize" it, of course.

And the Sam who struggles against a Divisional rival he sees twice a year is the fake Sam.  

[Villain The Foe]

6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And the Sam who struggles against a Divisional rival he sees twice a year is the fake Sam.  

You mean the *Asterisk* Sam Darnold. 

 

[greenwichjetfan]

51 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Then you need to remove at least one outlier game on the positive end.  I.E. his best game against a weak defense.  

20 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Exactly. This is why folks should just take his career for what it is. It's not even like he had a bad season to where fans need to damage control. It was a solid 2nd year.

 

You'll never hear anyone consider Sam's first-ever 4TD performance against Washington this year an "outlier game". 

I'll preface this by saying that I am never one to take a game out of an analysis. However, context is important, and in this case, the NE game was 100% an outlier. Again, you don't take it out, but you qualify it as the only game out of 25 in which he was less than 1 AY/A. And since yall were interested, a quick and dirty check on PFR reveals:

- Sam's career AY/A: 6.5508
- Sam's AY/A after removing his best and worst performance to date: 6.7161
- Sam's AY/A after removing his worst performance and his performance against the Redskins: 6.7730

Rk	Year	Date	G#	Week	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	AY/A
										▼
1	2019	11/24/2019	11	12	22.172	NYJ		OAK	W 34-3	12.24
2	2018	12/23/2018	15	16	21.201	NYJ		GNB	L 38-44	11.46
3	2019	11/17/2019	10	11	22.165	NYJ	@	WAS	W 34-17	10.93
4	2019	10/13/2019	5	6	22.13	NYJ		DAL	W 24-22	10.41
5	2018	10/7/2018	5	5	21.124	NYJ		DEN	W 34-16	9.68
6	2018	9/10/2018	1	1	21.097	NYJ	@	DET	W 48-17	9.19
7	2018	10/14/2018	6	6	21.131	NYJ		IND	W 42-34	9.17
8	2019	11/10/2019	9	10	22.158	NYJ		NYG	W 34-27	8.33
9	2019	12/22/2019	15	16	22.2	NYJ		PIT	W 16-10	7.81
10	2018	12/15/2018	14	15	21.193	NYJ		HOU	L 22-29	7.71
11	2019	12/8/2019	13	14	22.186	NYJ		MIA	W 22-21	7.36
12	2019	12/12/2019	14	15	22.19	NYJ	@	BAL	L 21-42	6.66
13	2018	9/16/2018	2	2	21.103	NYJ		MIA	L 12-20	6.44
14	2018	12/9/2018	13	14	21.187	NYJ	@	BUF	W 27-23	6.04
15	2019	11/3/2019	8	9	22.151	NYJ	@	MIA	L 18-26	6.03
16	2018	10/28/2018	8	8	21.145	NYJ	@	CHI	L 10-24	5.97
17	2018	12/30/2018	16	17	21.208	NYJ	@	NWE	L 3-38	5.96
18	2018	9/30/2018	4	4	21.117	NYJ	@	JAX	L 12-31	5.5
19	2019	12/1/2019	12	13	22.179	NYJ	@	CIN	L 6-22	4.98
20	2019	9/8/2019	1	1	22.095	NYJ		BUF	L 16-17	4.76
21	2019	10/27/2019	7	8	22.144	NYJ	@	JAX	L 15-29	4.1
22	2018	9/20/2018	3	3	21.107	NYJ	@	CLE	L 17-21	2.55
23	2018	10/21/2018	7	7	21.138	NYJ		MIN	L 17-37	2.17
24	2018	11/4/2018	9	9	21.152	NYJ	@	MIA	L 6-13	1.26
25	2019	10/21/2019	6	7	22.138	NYJ		NWE	L 0-33	-2.94
									Average AY/A:	6.5508
									Removing best and worst:	6.7161
									Removing Redskins and worst:	6.7730

[Villain The Foe]

57 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

I'll preface this by saying that I am never one to take a game out of an analysis. However, context is important, and in this case, the NE game was 100% an outlier. Again, you don't take it out, but you qualify it as the only game out of 25 in which he was less than 1 AY/A. And since yall were interested, a quick and dirty check on PFR reveals:

- Sam's career AY/A: 6.5508
- Sam's AY/A after removing his best and worst performance to date: 6.7161
- Sam's AY/A after removing his worst performance and his performance against the Redskins: 6.7730

Rk	Year	Date	G#	Week	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	AY/A
										▼
1	2019	11/24/2019	11	12	22.172	NYJ		OAK	W 34-3	12.24
2	2018	12/23/2018	15	16	21.201	NYJ		GNB	L 38-44	11.46
3	2019	11/17/2019	10	11	22.165	NYJ	@	WAS	W 34-17	10.93
4	2019	10/13/2019	5	6	22.13	NYJ		DAL	W 24-22	10.41
5	2018	10/7/2018	5	5	21.124	NYJ		DEN	W 34-16	9.68
6	2018	9/10/2018	1	1	21.097	NYJ	@	DET	W 48-17	9.19
7	2018	10/14/2018	6	6	21.131	NYJ		IND	W 42-34	9.17
8	2019	11/10/2019	9	10	22.158	NYJ		NYG	W 34-27	8.33
9	2019	12/22/2019	15	16	22.2	NYJ		PIT	W 16-10	7.81
10	2018	12/15/2018	14	15	21.193	NYJ		HOU	L 22-29	7.71
11	2019	12/8/2019	13	14	22.186	NYJ		MIA	W 22-21	7.36
12	2019	12/12/2019	14	15	22.19	NYJ	@	BAL	L 21-42	6.66
13	2018	9/16/2018	2	2	21.103	NYJ		MIA	L 12-20	6.44
14	2018	12/9/2018	13	14	21.187	NYJ	@	BUF	W 27-23	6.04
15	2019	11/3/2019	8	9	22.151	NYJ	@	MIA	L 18-26	6.03
16	2018	10/28/2018	8	8	21.145	NYJ	@	CHI	L 10-24	5.97
17	2018	12/30/2018	16	17	21.208	NYJ	@	NWE	L 3-38	5.96
18	2018	9/30/2018	4	4	21.117	NYJ	@	JAX	L 12-31	5.5
19	2019	12/1/2019	12	13	22.179	NYJ	@	CIN	L 6-22	4.98
20	2019	9/8/2019	1	1	22.095	NYJ		BUF	L 16-17	4.76
21	2019	10/27/2019	7	8	22.144	NYJ	@	JAX	L 15-29	4.1
22	2018	9/20/2018	3	3	21.107	NYJ	@	CLE	L 17-21	2.55
23	2018	10/21/2018	7	7	21.138	NYJ		MIN	L 17-37	2.17
24	2018	11/4/2018	9	9	21.152	NYJ	@	MIA	L 6-13	1.26
25	2019	10/21/2019	6	7	22.138	NYJ		NWE	L 0-33	-2.94
									Average AY/A:	6.5508
									Removing best and worst:	6.7161
									Removing Redskins and worst:	6.7730

Stuff like this I respect. Things that I can actually take into consideration. Kudos on that. 

 

And in doing so, this is why I still wouldn't consider this any sort of an "outlier" game for Sam Darnold. Hear me out.

This isnt just about Sam and his performance, but also who he's playing against. 

 

To me, I could accept someone saying that this performance is an outlier when a game like that happens against some random team and it was "just one of those nights...every player has it" moments. In otherwords, it had to also be an outlier performance for the defense Sam was playing against as well. It cant be one-sided, in otherwords. 

However, this is Sam Darnold playing against the #1 defense in the league and a division rival. A team that by week 8 already had 3 games where they registered 3 or more INT's, with two of those games being 4 INT's each. 

In otherwords, this wasnt the "just one of those nights for Sam" games. That was the Patriots defense, before and after that game. 

 

Was it an odd statistical game relative to his other games? Sure. However, it happened against a defense that was on an historical run, that had did pretty much the same to every team before that game and many times the results were the same no matter the QB . This is a Patriots defense that recorded atleast 1 INT in every game until November with 5 games on the season with 3 or more INT's in a game. 

 

The truth is, this wasnt an outlier, is was an ass whopping. And that's okay, Sam wasnt the only one who got his behind handed to him against that defense. As I said back when folks initially began calling it an outlier and wanting to dismiss the performance, I said "No, this game was horrible then he had another bad game the next week vs the Jags, but since then he gradually got better which showed that he didnt let the game destroy him". 

Im glad you dont see the need to remove the game, since it did happen, but if he had this performance against a bottom 10 defense for example, I would be more inclined to agree in the "outlier" premise. But the Patriots defense for the first two months of the season was basically doing that to everyone. 

[greenwichjetfan]

20 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Stuff like this I respect. Things that I can actually take into consideration. Kudos on that. 

 

And in doing so, this is why I still wouldn't consider this any sort of an "outlier" game for Sam Darnold. Hear me out.

This isnt just about Sam and his performance, but also who he's playing against. 

 

To me, I could accept someone saying that this performance is an outlier when a game like that happens against some random team and it was "just one of those nights...every player has it" moments. In otherwords, it had to also be an outlier performance for the defense Sam was playing against as well. It cant be one-sided, in otherwords. 

However, this is Sam Darnold playing against the #1 defense in the league and a division rival. A team that by week 8 already had 3 games where they registered 3 or more INT's, with two of those games being 4 INT's each. 

In otherwords, this wasnt the "just one of those nights for Sam" games. That was the Patriots defense, before and after that game. 

 

Was it an odd statistical game relative to his other games? Sure. However, it happened against a defense that was on an historical run, that had did pretty much the same to every team before that game and many times the results were the same no matter the QB . This is a Patriots defense that recorded atleast 1 INT in every game until November with 5 games on the season with 3 or more INT's in a game. 

 

The truth is, this wasnt an outlier, is was an ass whopping. And that's okay, Sam wasnt the only one who got his behind handed to him against that defense. As I said back when folks initially began calling it an outlier and wanting to dismiss the performance, I said "No, this game was horrible then he had another bad game the next week vs the Jags, but since then he gradually got better which showed that he didnt let the game destroy him". 

Im glad you dont see the need to remove the game, since it did happen, but if he had this performance against a bottom 10 defense for example, I would be more inclined to agree in the "outlier" premise. But the Patriots defense for the first two months of the season was basically doing that to everyone. 

I removed his best performance, as well as the redskins performance which you wanted removed. His career numbers went up both times. You want to remove his best game against the worst defense? Fine, choose any game you want. His career AY/Y will still go up.

The Pats game is an outlier. There’s no debating it. Your debate is about how to apply the impact of that outlier to an overall analysis on his play. You and Nico might apply it completely differently based on varying factors such as how you feel and what story you’re trying to tell, but that doesn’t mean it’s not an outlier.

[Jetsfan80]

17 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

The Pats game is an outlier. There’s no debating it. Your debate is about how to apply the impact of that outlier to an overall analysis on his play. You and Nico might apply it completely differently based on varying factors such as how you feel and what story you’re trying to tell, but that doesn’t mean it’s not an outlier.

It is indeed an outlier, but not one we can completely ignore because Sam has to face NE 2x per season.  In his only other game against the Pats in his career he went 16/28 for 167 yds (6.0 ypa), 0 TD, 0 INT and 1 fumble lost in a 38-3 loss.  He also took 4 sacks, which is more of a QB-driven stat than an OL stat.

Thus, there's predictive value to suggest he's he's going to suck against the Pats next year, twice, without vast improvement.  

[greenwichjetfan]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

It is indeed an outlier, but not one we can completely ignore

I never suggested ignoring it. I’d never ignore it. It was the worst non-playoff game of my life. I’m simply taking bias out of it and suggesting that looking at it statistically, it needs to be qualified as an outlier: 

1 hour ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Again, you don't take it out, but you qualify it as the only game out of 25 in which he was less than 1 AY/A

 

[Villain The Foe]

2 hours ago, greenwichjetfan said:

I removed his best performance, as well as the redskins performance which you wanted removed.

Statements like this is usually how we end up in our constant disagreements. 

I never said this. 

 

What I said was: "This is why folks should just take his career for what it is", meaning include all games and and take it as is. No excuses.

Example: We dont make excuses for Big Ben being out when we played the Steelers right? Yet we count that game even though we beat a team who simply couldnt threaten us by scoring points and forcing out offense to adjust to that. I was clear that all games should be counted and NOT removed.

 

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The Pats game is an outlier. There’s no debating it.

Clearly there is a debate about it. Playin the Pats once and not twice is the outlier, as it is the only time this season that Sam Darnold faced the best defense in the league this season given that the 1st game he missed with Mono. There's your outlier. 

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Your debate is about how to apply the impact of that outlier to an overall analysis on his play. You and Nico might apply it completely differently based on varying factors such as how you feel and what story you’re trying to tell, but that doesn’t mean it’s not an outlier.

No, my debate is based on Sam vs the competition. In otherwords, was Sam's performance something that the defense has been able to produce when playing other teams? And that answer is clearly "yes". 

 

It's not an outlier if the outcome is commonplace for the defense that had him produce those numbers. 

In otherwords, Sam Darnold ran up against a defense that has cause similar results to other teams. 

 

Is that a fact or not? That's rhetorical. 

[greenwichjetfan]

5 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Statements like this is usually how we end up in our constant disagreements. 

I never said this. 

 

What I said was: "This is why folks should just take his career for what it is", meaning include all games and and take it as is. No excuses. We dont make excuses for Big Ben being out when we played the Steelers right? Yet we count that game. I was clear that all games should be counted and NOT removed.

 

Clearly there is a debate about it. Playin the Pats once and not twice is the outlier, as it is the only time this season that Sam Darnold faced the best defense in the league this season given that the 1st game he missed with Mono. There's your outlier. 

No, my debate is based on Sam vs the competition. In otherwords, was Sam's performance something that the defense has been able to produce when playing other teams? And that answer is clearly "yes". 

 

It's not an outlier if the outcome is commonplace for the defense that had him produce those numbers. 

In otherwords, Sam Darnold ran up against a defense that has cause similar results to other teams. 

 

Is that a fact or not? That's rhetorical. 

Not doing this.

[Villain The Foe]

23 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Not doing this.

What, claiming that I said things that I didnt say, and when It's pointed out to you you walk away as if getting you to accurately quote me is "going too far"? 

If that's the case, dont quote me at all in the future. That's just lame. 

[greenwichjetfan]

28 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

What, claiming that I said things that I didnt say, and when It's pointed out to you you walk away as if getting you to accurately quote me is "going too far"? 

If that's the case, dont quote me at all in the future. That's just lame. 

You claimed it’d be stupid to claim the NE game as an outlier because no one would claim the Washington game as an outlier. I took both out and showed you his AY/A still went up, and explained why the NE game is an outlier no matter how much it hurts your feelings. If you wanna pull your Baker villain sh*t, be my guest, but I’m not playing your game. That’s what I’m not doing.

[Villain The Foe]

22 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

You claimed it’d be stupid to claim the NE game as an outlier because no one would claim the Washington game as an outlier. I took both out and showed you his AY/A still went up, and explained why the NE game is an outlier no matter how much it hurts your feelings. If you wanna pull your Baker villain sh*t, be my guest, but I’m not playing your game. That’s what I’m not doing.

Baker Mayfield now? ? What a surprise. Talking about Villain's feelings? ? Never heard that one before. 

Yeah, you're not really mature. Mature folks can take correction. I now understand why it's so easy for you to cut and run every time you're either wrong or corrected, then talk about folks instead of staying on topic. You're simply not a mature adult. It's clear. 

You can no longer have my attention. You're child-like. Feel free to talk more about me instead of the topic because you were corrected, during your upcoming rebuttal to this. It's clear that your "feelings" comment is you simply projecting your own. 

 

 

[NYJ1]

We'll never know if Sammy is done seeing ghosts until he faces the pasties again and actually plays WELL.

[Villain The Foe]

13 minutes ago, NYJ1 said:

We'll never know if Sammy is done seeing ghosts until he faces the pasties again and actually plays WELL.

The only thing we know is that some Jets fans need it to be an outlier. 

I dont know why. The defense have smothered plenty opponents this season.

[greenwichjetfan]

2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

The only thing we know is that some Jets fans need it to be an outlier. 

Anyone who took Stats 101 and failed would still be able to discern that it is in fact an outlier. The very person you agreed with to start this entire thing also came back and agreed that it’s an outlier, but that it shouldn’t be ignored. Meanwhile, you’re throwing tantrums and calling me immature and childlike because unlike 80, you can’t separate facts from feelz.

3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

It is indeed an outlier, but not one we can completely ignore

 

[Losmeister]

16 hours ago, mphtrilogy said:

The dude is just 22, looking forward to his continued progress, hopefully he is a top 5 qb by age 25...

the mvp is just 22, looking forward to 3 sb appreances by the time he is 28