Ask me anything. I know things.

[KRL]

Much respect @Samtorobby47, always appreciate an employee keeping the fans informed!!!

[deucebag]

2 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Follow up....are you hiring?

I do windows!

[KRL]

Will Douglas try to fix the OLine in free agency then go BPA in
the draft?

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, KRL said:

Will Douglas try to fix the OLine in free agency then go BPA in
the draft?

I think this is the route he takes we need an offensive playmaker most likely a WR, only way a RB is if we part with Bell in the off-season. 

[14 in Green]

5 minutes ago, deucebag said:

This reality of Sam being a mature version of Mark Sanchez just ruined my Holidays.  I had always hoped he was an intelligent football junkie and his poor decisions were more due to poor play design or read errors by the WR.  My denial is now over.

I hate to be the guy who welcomes you to “the club”, but welcome, my friend.

Here’s the bright side though. Gase isn’t a fan boy, he’s a coach. He knows what the kid can and cannot do. He has him throwing a ton of short, quick passes, which limits his decisions, helps cut down on his mistakes, and almost completely takes away the chances of him throwing many ints.

When he sticks with that, Darnold is good. His weaknesses become apparent when he has to occasionally mix in the medium and especially the long balls.

[deucebag]

1 hour ago, Pac said:

If the Jets don't re-sign Robby then it was idiotic not to trade him for anything they could at the deadline.  Not sure I buy it.

If the point was to see how he played the rest of the year then he's won.  He's performed well and earned a nice contract. 

If they let him go even after he proved his worth, then what the hell was the point of giving him the opportunity?  They should have taken a 3rd or 4th and moved on.

 

 

What if JD deemed that what was offered for Robby was not enough to overcome the opportunity cost of losing Sam's best target. Also, say if only a 4th was offered could it be JD felt we would get a compensatory pick for losing Robby that was barely worse than what we would have gotten in a trade?

[Mogglez]

2 hours ago, Maxman said:

So I deleted a bunch of posts. We are good having fun, but some things are over the line. 

Back on topic, this IP checks out. I can't say either way with certainty for sure that this poster is really an employee. I can say that I checked and I couldn't rule it out. Don't quote me but based on my research I do believe this is real.

I can back up a lot being said...if it calms anyone's doubts.  Particularly what was said about Robby and Jamal.

Since it's going to be the big topic in this thread, no, Gase doesn't think Sam "is an idiot".  He's hard on the kid, and all of his QBs.  The two of them have a genuinely great relationship and Adam believes that the sky is the limit on what they can accomplish with some genuine talent.  Like it or not, I think this is a big reason Gase will be back.

 

[Integrity28]

1 minute ago, deucebag said:

What if JD deemed that what was offered for Robby was not enough to overcome the opportunity cost of losing Sam's best target. Also, say if only a 4th was offered could it be JD felt we would get a compensatory pick for losing Robby that was barely worse than what we would have gotten in a trade?

Sam’s best target was Crowder, and should have been Bell.

[Integrity28]

24 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Even when you get the reply right, you still manage to have some level of anal violation included. Stop ruining the thread, joe.

[Paradis]

2 hours ago, Pac said:

Not sure I buy this..  a lot of smart people - like Mensa smart - have been adamant that Joe D will jump at a 1st and 4th for Adams and it would be a STEAL for the Jets if offered. 

nobody is offering a first for Jamal in Feb/march.. so you can file this away under "choose your adventure 2019"

[KRL]

More questions:

- Are there any OLinemen currently on the roster they think can start
next year?

- Why has the running game struggled all year?
  a. OLine not good?
  b. OLine injuries?
  c. Scheme?
  d. Bell lost a step?

[Matthew007b]

to the original poster.. wish I had your job ?

 

 

[Adoni Beast]

10 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I can back up a lot being said...if it calms anyone's doubts.  Particularly what was said about Robby and Jamal.

Since it's going to be the big topic in this thread, no, Gase doesn't think Sam "is an idiot".  He's hard on the kid, and all of his QBs.  The two of them have a genuinely great relationship and Adam believes that the sky is the limit on what they can accomplish with some genuine talent.  Like it or not, I think this is a big reason Gase will be back.

 

Any idea if Joe Douglas is truly behind behind Gase being the answer for Darnold and HC of NYJ? 

Or is he just biding his time to hire his own coach?

[Paradis]

I'm still astounded Jet Fans are as attached to Robbie as they are.

• Tons of "wtf" moments from him off the field
• Presents like he's living in his own personal reality show called ballers life.
• Will want 14-16+ milly a year in his new contract
• disappears for huge stretches of time (excuses be damned)
• is FAR better running certain routes than others
• poor contested catch success
• Has the frame of my 15 year old friend... (back when i was 15, you sickos)

There's 5-6 FA WR guys i can think of that will give you the same production at the half the cost.... this team needs to go after a proper X, and not continue to rely on complimentary receivers

[Mogglez]

Just now, Adoni Beast said:

Any idea if Joe Douglas is truly behind behind Gase being the answer for Darnold and HC of NYJ? 

Or is he just biding his time to hire his own coach?

From what I understand, they have a good relationship.  That being said, this whole notion that Douglas "owes" Gase or that Gase is entirely safe while Douglas is in charge is incredibly overblown.  If Gase doesn't get the job done next year, I don't expect him to be back.

[Paradis]

2 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

From what I understand, they have a good relationship.  That being said, this whole notion that Douglas "owes" Gase or that Gase is entirely safe while Douglas is in charge is incredibly overblown.  If Gase doesn't get the job done next year, I don't expect him to be back.

Maybe coming from you, this will start to sink in... 

[Adoni Beast]

2 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

From what I understand, they have a good relationship.  That being said, this whole notion that Douglas "owes" Gase or that Gase is entirely safe while Douglas is in charge is incredibly overblown.  If Gase doesn't get the job done next year, I don't expect him to be back.

I figured that friendship angle was hype. Douglas seems like his own man.

That’s all I needed to here. I feel Gase has earned a shot next year given everything that happened this season.

But yea, next year the team and Darnold need to look damn good for Gase to be back 2021.

[Mogglez]

9 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Maybe coming from you, this will start to sink in... 

I hope so, but the only reason I decided to chime in because I saw people getting carried away with the "Sam is an idiot" quote without reading the whole sentence, which was that it's just Gase being hard on the kid lol, so who knows?

[Welp]

13 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I hope so, but the only reason I decided to chime in because I saw people getting carried away with the "Sam is an idiot" quote without reading the whole sentence, which was that it's just Gase being hard on the kid lol, so who knows?

The only ppl/person that took the Sam is an idiot quote too far is the same ppl that always have something negative to say about Darnold. The rest of us are able to understand context.

[Xtina]

3 hours ago, Samtorobby47 said:

Eric Allen

 

Eric Allen the most reviled employee on the payroll? May be the least surprising thing I’ve read in my lifetime. Still trying to figure out why he has such a job and even got what amounts to a promotion on the execrable Adam Gase show. 

Why are you allowed to do this btw?

[14 in Green]

14 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I hope so, but the only reason I decided to chime in because I saw people getting carried away with the "Sam is an idiot" quote without reading the whole sentence, which was that it's just Gase being hard on the kid lol, so who knows?

I don’t think anyone actually took the idiot thing literally.

What I took from it was that Gase gets frustrated with Darnold for not being able to always make what he considers simple reads.

Everyone here knows Darnold doesn’t have the same amount of experience playing the position a lot of 2nd year QBs do. I could see Darnold having those type of issues, and Gase being frustrated with it, but that doesn’t mean he’s giving up on him.

That said, you know how these things go. People “read” what they want to read. You see a sentence and interpret it one way, the person next to you might have a preconceived notion, and read it completely different. He “read” it, and that’s what he’s going to believe.

[RobR]

36 minutes ago, Paradis said:

There's 5-6 FA WR guys i can think of that will give you the same production at the half the cost.... this team needs to go after a proper X, and not continue to rely on complimentary receivers

Please name them for me because I'm at a loss. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

1 hour ago, KRL said:

Will Douglas try to fix the OLine in free agency then go BPA in
the draft?

Not sure how he’ll do it, just know it’s a top priority to protect Sam. 

 

47 minutes ago, KRL said:

More questions:

- Are there any OLinemen currently on the roster they think can start
next year?

- Why has the running game struggled all year?
  a. OLine not good?
  b. OLine injuries?
  c. Scheme?
  d. Bell lost a step?

I would say Beachum and Lewis at the least. Don’t think Douglas thinks highly of Shell. 

Mostly A and B. Mostly the constant rotation of guys dealing with injuries. That’s hard for any team. 

[Mogglez]

25 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

I don’t think anyone actually took the idiot thing literally.

What I took from it was that Gase gets frustrated with Darnold for not being able to always make what he considers simple reads.

Everyone here knows Darnold doesn’t have the same amount of experience playing the position a lot of 2nd year QBs do. I could see Darnold having those type of issues, and Gase being frustrated with it, but that doesn’t mean he’s giving up on him.

That said, you know how these things go. People “read” what they want to read. You see a sentence and interpret it one way, the person next to you might have a preconceived notion, and read it completely different. He “read” it, and that’s what he’s going to believe.

Exactly. 

All that quote means is that Gase is being hard on his 2nd year kid, as he should be when expectations aren't met.  Nothing more, nothing less.

[Paradis]

20 minutes ago, RobR said:

Please name them for me because I'm at a loss. 

PLAYER (82)	POS.	AGE	FROM	TO	GP	SNAPS	REC	YDS	YDS/REC	TD	FUM	2019 AAV	STATUS	MARKET VALUE
A.J. Green	WR	32	CIN	TBD								$15,000,000	UFA	Market Value
Larry Fitzgerald	WR	37	ARI	TBD	15	844	71	759	10.7	4	1	$11,000,000	UFA	-
Emmanuel Sanders	WR	33	SF	TBD	16	813	63	844	13.4	5		$11,000,000	UFA	Market Value
Devin Funchess	WR	26	IND	TBD	1	36	3	32	10.7			$10,000,000	UFA	-
Amari Cooper	WR	26	DAL	TBD	15	789	75	1,097	14.6	8		$5,665,779	UFA	Market Value
Randall Cobb	WR	30	DAL	TBD	14	682	50	747	14.9	3	2	$5,000,000	UFA	Market Value
Danny Amendola	WR	34	DET	TBD	14	612	60	662	11.0	1		$4,500,000	UFA	-
Travis Benjamin	WR	30	LAC	TBD	5	192	6	30	5.0			$4,250,000	UFA	-
Breshad Perriman	WR	26	TB	TBD	13	604	31	511	16.5	5		$4,000,000	UFA	-
Chester Rogers	WR	26	IND	TBD	12	414	16	179	11.2	2	2	$3,095,000	UFA	-
Robby Anderson	WR	27	NYJ	TBD	15	879	49	761	15.5	5	1	$3,095,000	UFA	Market Value
Demaryius Thomas	WR	32	NYJ	TBD	11	469	36	433	12.0	1		$2,906,000	UFA	-
Geronimo Allison	WR	26	GB	TBD	14	571	31	270	8.7	2	1	$2,800,000	UFA	-
Matthew Slater	WR	34	NE	TBD	15	21						$2,600,000	UFA	-
Phillip Dorsett	WR	27	NE	TBD	13	556	28	347	12.4	5		$2,600,000	UFA	-
Jarius Wright	WR	30	CAR	-	15	665	26	286	11.0			$2,500,000	CO	-
Nelson Agholor	WR	27	PHI	TBD	11	706	39	363	9.3	3	2	$2,344,344	UFA	-
Rashard Higgins	WR	25	CLE	TBD	10	178	4	55	13.8	1		$2,025,000	UFA	-
Josh Gordon	WR	29	SEA	TBD	11	462	27	426	15.8	1		$2,025,000	UFA	-
Seth Roberts	WR	29	BAL	TBD	15	537	21	271	12.9	2		$2,000,000	UFA	-
Tavon Austin	WR	29	DAL	TBD	13	293	12	176	14.7	1	1	$1,750,000	UFA	-
Dwayne Harris	WR	32	OAK	TBD	3	7	1	7	7.0			$1,600,000	UFA	-
Russell Shepard	WR	29	NYG	TBD	3	76	3	25	8.3			$1,500,000	UFA	-
Jaron Brown	WR	30	SEA	TBD	13	376	16	220	13.8	2	1	$1,500,000	UFA	-
Cody Latimer	WR	28	NYG	TBD	14	359	22	288	13.1	2		$1,500,000	UFA	-
Chris Hogan	WR	31	CAR	TBD	6	93	6	53	8.8			$1,450,000	UFA	-
Jermaine Kearse	WR	30	DET	TBD								$1,350,000	UFA	-
Geremy Davis	WR	28	LAC	TBD	7	83	3	38	12.7			$895,000	UFA	-
Justin Hardy	WR	28	ATL	TBD	15	187	16	155	9.7			$895,000	UFA	-
Ryan Grant	WR	29	GB	TBD	2	90	4	14	3.5			$805,000	UFA	-
De'Anthony Thomas	WR	27	BAL	TBD	13	21	1	6	6.0		3	$805,000	UFA	-
Jordan Matthews	WR	28	SF	TBD	3	140	4	33	8.2			$805,000	UFA	-
Dontrelle Inman	WR	31	IND	TBD	6	178	11	175	15.9			$805,000	UFA	-
Keelan Doss	WR	24	OAK	TBD	6	180	11	133	12.1			$795,000	ERFA	-
Chris Moore

[Paradis]

52 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I hope so, but the only reason I decided to chime in because I saw people getting carried away with the "Sam is an idiot" quote without reading the whole sentence, which was that it's just Gase being hard on the kid lol, so who knows?

i don't care about that. If people are being to thick headed to understand the context of that remark, then go kick rocks i say...

More importantly/amazingly - people somehow think JD left the eagles to take a job as Adam Gase's bitch GM.... like are you kidding? seven figure job like that? He'll fire Adam in a second if he has to/wants to

[RobR]

1 minute ago, Paradis said:

PLAYER (82)	POS.	AGE	FROM	TO	GP	SNAPS	REC	YDS	YDS/REC	TD	FUM	2019 AAV	STATUS	MARKET VALUE
A.J. Green	WR	32	CIN	TBD								$15,000,000	UFA	Market Value
Larry Fitzgerald	WR	37	ARI	TBD	15	844	71	759	10.7	4	1	$11,000,000	UFA	-
Emmanuel Sanders	WR	33	SF	TBD	16	813	63	844	13.4	5		$11,000,000	UFA	Market Value
Devin Funchess	WR	26	IND	TBD	1	36	3	32	10.7			$10,000,000	UFA	-
Amari Cooper	WR	26	DAL	TBD	15	789	75	1,097	14.6	8		$5,665,779	UFA	Market Value
Randall Cobb	WR	30	DAL	TBD	14	682	50	747	14.9	3	2	$5,000,000	UFA	Market Value
Danny Amendola	WR	34	DET	TBD	14	612	60	662	11.0	1		$4,500,000	UFA	-
Travis Benjamin	WR	30	LAC	TBD	5	192	6	30	5.0			$4,250,000	UFA	-
Breshad Perriman	WR	26	TB	TBD	13	604	31	511	16.5	5		$4,000,000	UFA	-
Chester Rogers	WR	26	IND	TBD	12	414	16	179	11.2	2	2	$3,095,000	UFA	-
Robby Anderson	WR	27	NYJ	TBD	15	879	49	761	15.5	5	1	$3,095,000	UFA	Market Value
Demaryius Thomas	WR	32	NYJ	TBD	11	469	36	433	12.0	1		$2,906,000	UFA	-
Geronimo Allison	WR	26	GB	TBD	14	571	31	270	8.7	2	1	$2,800,000	UFA	-
Matthew Slater	WR	34	NE	TBD	15	21						$2,600,000	UFA	-
Phillip Dorsett	WR	27	NE	TBD	13	556	28	347	12.4	5		$2,600,000	UFA	-
Jarius Wright	WR	30	CAR	-	15	665	26	286	11.0			$2,500,000	CO	-
Nelson Agholor	WR	27	PHI	TBD	11	706	39	363	9.3	3	2	$2,344,344	UFA	-
Rashard Higgins	WR	25	CLE	TBD	10	178	4	55	13.8	1		$2,025,000	UFA	-
Josh Gordon	WR	29	SEA	TBD	11	462	27	426	15.8	1		$2,025,000	UFA	-
Seth Roberts	WR	29	BAL	TBD	15	537	21	271	12.9	2		$2,000,000	UFA	-
Tavon Austin	WR	29	DAL	TBD	13	293	12	176	14.7	1	1	$1,750,000	UFA	-
Dwayne Harris	WR	32	OAK	TBD	3	7	1	7	7.0			$1,600,000	UFA	-
Russell Shepard	WR	29	NYG	TBD	3	76	3	25	8.3			$1,500,000	UFA	-
Jaron Brown	WR	30	SEA	TBD	13	376	16	220	13.8	2	1	$1,500,000	UFA	-
Cody Latimer	WR	28	NYG	TBD	14	359	22	288	13.1	2		$1,500,000	UFA	-
Chris Hogan	WR	31	CAR	TBD	6	93	6	53	8.8			$1,450,000	UFA	-
Jermaine Kearse	WR	30	DET	TBD								$1,350,000	UFA	-
Geremy Davis	WR	28	LAC	TBD	7	83	3	38	12.7			$895,000	UFA	-
Justin Hardy	WR	28	ATL	TBD	15	187	16	155	9.7			$895,000	UFA	-
Ryan Grant	WR	29	GB	TBD	2	90	4	14	3.5			$805,000	UFA	-
De'Anthony Thomas	WR	27	BAL	TBD	13	21	1	6	6.0		3	$805,000	UFA	-
Jordan Matthews	WR	28	SF	TBD	3	140	4	33	8.2			$805,000	UFA	-
Dontrelle Inman	WR	31	IND	TBD	6	178	11	175	15.9			$805,000	UFA	-
Keelan Doss	WR	24	OAK	TBD	6	180	11	133	12.1			$795,000	ERFA	-
Chris Moore

You said 5-6 so you obviously have some targeted. Half of that list is on the verge of retirement and the rest can't put up the numbers even Robby is putting up this year on a sh*tastic offense. 

[Paradis]

7 minutes ago, RobR said:

You said 5-6 so you obviously have some targeted. Half of that list is on the verge of retirement and the rest can't put up the numbers even Robby is putting up this year on a sh*tastic offense. 

I've come to the conclusion - you over value Robbie. At least relative to where i value him (and like 75% of the board here, just assume he'll sign here for 12m/yr.... as it ever occured to anyone he might be counting down the days to gtfo of NY?)...

Demarcus Robinson for 4 million a year>>>>Robbie for 15. 

Dorsett done the same thing Robbie does... for probably 3-4 million a year. 

Sanders if he makes it out.

I'd actually rather start Keelan Doss over Robbie.

Rashard Higgins too. 

There's plenty of other journeymen WR3s i'd pay 4-5 milly a year over getting hamstrung to a Robbie Contract for 15 million a year for a guy who's main attribute here is running posts and flags all day. 

Thats the nature of being the deep threat guy... everyone loves them until it's time to pay... 

[CurtMart]

5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Who gave Sam mono?

Sam has a message for you. 

[RobR]

2 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I've come to the conclusion - you over value Robbie. At least relative to where i value him (and like 75% of the board here, just assume he'll sign here for 12m/yr.... as it ever occured to anyone he might be counting down the days to gtfo of NY?)...

Demarcus Robinson for 4 million a year>>>>Robbie for 15. 

Dorsett done the same thing Robbie does... for probably 3-4 million a year. 

Sanders if he makes it out.

I'd actually rather start Keelan Doss over Robbie.

Rashard Higgins too. 

There's plenty of other journeymen WR3s i'd pay 4-5 milly a year over getting hamstrung to a Robbie Contract for 15 million a year for a guy who's main attribute here is running posts and flags all day. 

Thats the nature of being the deep threat guy... everyone loves them until it's time to pay... 

I think you're undervaluing Robby because he is one of the best deep threats in the league that has shown he can run some other routes successfully. 

Lets go contract first. Even if he signs for $12 mil a year we'll never be locked into it and I can't see it longer in duration than four years. He's not signing some crazy Julio Jones contract that burdens your team for years.

The development of Sam. Do we really want to risk bringing in four new receivers, two that will more than likely be rookies for Sams third year? We're supposed to be building this offense, not letting good young players at a crucial position walk away for diksquat. 

It's only monetary resources to keep him and we'll have plenty of room with good cap management and a cap friendly contract. Every other top team does it and we're not paying Darnold for another two years.

 

[Dinamite]

1 hour ago, Paradis said:

I'm still astounded Jet Fans are as attached to Robbie as they are.

• Tons of "wtf" moments from him off the field
• Presents like he's living in his own personal reality show called ballers life.
• Will want 14-16+ milly a year in his new contract
• disappears for huge stretches of time (excuses be damned)
• is FAR better running certain routes than others
• poor contested catch success
• Has the frame of my 15 year old friend... (back when i was 15, you sickos)

There's 5-6 FA WR guys i can think of that will give you the same production at the half the cost.... this team needs to go after a proper X, and not continue to rely on complimentary receivers

Curious what FA receivers you think will give you similar production.  I am not saying overpay for Robbie, just curious on your assessment.  Also something to be said about his chemistry with Sam and that Gase seems to like him.

 

Edit: just caught up with posts and saw your list.   I am not a big Robbie guy, but given age and chemistry with Darnold, I would keep him for 10 to 12m.

[RobR]

11 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Demarcus Robinson for 4 million a year>>>>Robbie for 15. 

Dorsett done the same thing Robbie does... for probably 3-4 million a year. 

Sanders if he makes it out.

I'd actually rather start Keelan Doss over Robbie.

Rashard Higgins too. 

That is also a giant list of fail when it comes to replacements.  

[Paradis]

1 minute ago, RobR said:

I think you're undervaluing Robby because he is one of the best deep threats in the league that has shown he can run some other routes successfully. 

Lets go contract first. Even if he signs for $12 mil a year we'll never be locked into it and I can't see it longer in duration than four years. He's not signing some crazy Julio Jones contract that burdens your team for years.

The development of Sam. Do we really want to risk bringing in four new receivers, two that will more than likely be rookies for Sams third year? We're supposed to be building this offense, not letting good young players at a crucial position walk away for diksquat. 

It's only monetary resources to keep him and we'll have plenty of room with good cap management and a cap friendly contract. Every other top team does it and we're not paying Darnold for another two years.

 

I just don't think he's special. He's kind of a tool, too. There's players who can bring a lot of what he does into the fold at half the price. The only thing you said there that really resonates with me - is the continuity piece. Yes, ideally it would be best to keep him for another year at least and see where things go.... but i don't see the contract being anything but Robbie-friendly. He can go out and get as much if not more from other teams in better shape than us. 

I don't know if he really bailed out Sam a ton either this year TBH.... I feel like griffin and crowder did more of that. 

[Barry McCockinner]

I have a few questions.

1) Do you believe there's a good chance gulac is replaced this off-season and is Sal Alosi ever mentioned as a potential replacement?

2) What is the perception of Robbie Anderson's development as a route runner inside the building? It seems to me he's grown a lot.

3) On a scale of 0 to F--K, about how rich would you say you are?

 

@Samtorobby47

[RobR]

3 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I just don't think he's special. He's kind of a tool, too. There's players who can bring a lot of what he does into the fold at half the price. The only thing you said there that really resonates with me - is the continuity piece. Yes, ideally it would be best to keep him for another year at least and see where things go.... but i don't see the contract being anything but Robbie-friendly. He can go out and get as much if not more from other teams in better shape than us. 

I don't know if he really bailed out Sam a ton either this year TBH.... I feel like griffin and crowder did more of that. 

If Sam makes three better throws this year Robby is close to going over 1000 this year and 7-9TD's. He's not a number 1 but he's being covered like one. I'd love too see him with a complete group.