BCJet Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I saw someone mention today that we should just keep Tru next year because we can't get out of the contract with much savings next year and I think thats incorrect. I dont totally understand pre-June 1st vs post June 1st, but I believe teams can simply designate a player as either one and according to Overthecap.com (which I trust and is an excellent site) here is what it has for Tru pre vs post. The question comes down to, does the signing bonus proration accelerate? Pre June 1: Dead Money is $12 million and Cap Savings is $3 million Post June 1: Dead Money is $4 million and Cap Savings is $11 million The site also says he had $34 guaranteed which was both his 2018 and 2019 salaries ($6 million and $8 million) and a $20 million signing bonus (which would be the $4 in dead money split over 2018-2022) which adds up. When you look at the post June 1 numbers and the fact that Tru is a worthless, lazy player, how could we not waive him? The question I have is does that signing bonus hits accelerate into the year you waive him? If not, Id love to have $11 million to pay a player who actually tries. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Icer Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Guy is a thief and a waste of a roster spot. He should be gone no matter what the cap ramifications are 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 The team still gains 3 million by cutting him. Use that money to help resign Poole instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 There is cap savings and cash savings. The Johnsons can save cash even if they don’t save cap space because the bonus accelerates. I am not a fan of the Johnsons but if I am correct I don’t blame them for not wanting to pay trumaine any more money, even if the cap savings are neglible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just lock him in a room and move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, BCJet said: I saw someone mention today that we should just keep Tru next year because we can't get out of the contract with much savings next year and I think thats incorrect. I dont totally understand pre-June 1st vs post June 1st, but I believe teams can simply designate a player as either one and according to Overthecap.com (which I trust and is an excellent site) here is what it has for Tru pre vs post. The question comes down to, does the signing bonus proration accelerate? Pre June 1: Dead Money is $12 million and Cap Savings is $3 million Post June 1: Dead Money is $4 million and Cap Savings is $11 million The site also says he had $34 guaranteed which was both his 2018 and 2019 salaries ($6 million and $8 million) and a $20 million signing bonus (which would be the $4 in dead money split over 2018-2022) which adds up. When you look at the post June 1 numbers and the fact that Tru is a worthless, lazy player, how could we not waive him? The question I have is does that signing bonus hits accelerate into the year you waive him? If not, Id love to have $11 million to pay a player who actually tries. We can save $11m by designating Trumaine Johnson as a June 1st cut but that $11m will not be available to spend until June 2nd. Tru's remaining guaranteed money will then be split into multiple years. $12m remaining on his signing bonus would break down as: 2020 cap hit = $4m 2021 cap hit = $8m Basically the money we'd gain from cutting Tru would really only be used to sign our draft class or make trades in season. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 9 hours ago, bla bla bla said: We can save $11m by designating Trumaine Johnson as a June 1st cut but that $11m will not be available to spend until June 2nd. Tru's remaining guaranteed money will then be split into multiple years. $12m remaining on his signing bonus would break down as: 2020 cap hit = $4m 2021 cap hit = $8m Basically the money we'd gain from cutting Tru would really only be used to sign our draft class or make trades in season. So that is where the post June designation hits a snag - thanks for the detailed response. Not to add yet another anti-Mac comment, but that sure seems like an odd structure when we had so much space, why not front load it a little more so that we dont have a situation like this? Either way, given Tru's attitude etc, seems like he should be kicked out the door. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 As terrible of a signing as this was I don’t think Any of us could have expected it to be this bad 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMAC Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 He was a pretty good CB when he played for the Rams but a complete bust after the Jets paid him. Something to keep in mind before jumping into FA with both feet. I would cut him now. He is not committed and it's obvious. Precisely the kind of person you don't want in your locker room if you are trying to develop a team-oriented winning culture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 10 hours ago, Icer said: Guy is a thief and a waste of a roster spot. He should be gone no matter what the cap ramifications are NFL needs some kind of “ lemon law” as it pertains to these extreme cases. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 There is no post June 1 cut this year because the CBA is expiring. Tru has $12MM remaining on his signing bonus. His 2020 salary of $11MM is not guaranteed until March 20. So we really have two options: Let him walk. In which case his entire outstadning bonus hits the cap in 2020. And no cap implicaitons beyond 2020. $12 MM cap charge. But the $12MM has already been paid to him, so no new cash paid by the Johnsons, or Pick up his $11MM salary for 2020, in which case his cap hit is $15MM. $11MM salary and $4MM of his pro-rated signing bonus. But then he will still have $8MM outstanding cap hit. So $11MM new cash and $23MM cap hit across 2 years. Seems like a pretty simple decision to me. Don't pay him any more $$. Take the $12MM hit now and be done with him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS jets Fan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 He took the money and totally gave up his football passion. Another one of many who are just money grabbers. If Williams couldn't restore his passion it's time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Il Mostro Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 If he were a horse they'd take him out back and shoot him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Losmeister Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Jets723 said: As terrible of a signing as this was I don’t think Any of us could have expected it to be this bad i didnt even know wtf he was.... so yeah. i was asking wtf u are doing paying all that to a nobody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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