pdxgreen Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I am interested to see the final individual league rankings of our lineman. We had so combinations it was hard to see who was effective for any given amount of time. It will be interesting to see just how many players are purged from the roster after evaluations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 37 minutes ago, PepPep said: Would have no issue taking Okudah if he somehow fell to 11. Anyone who judges a player simply based on where he went to school is clueless. True, its just that history is a good predictor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Greetings draftniks. I traded someone to the Cowboys for a one and a three and I won the Jets the Super Bowl: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 OL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: I wonder if Gase thinks Chuma Edoga has a lick of potential anymore or if they're done with him completely. He was one of the worst Jets players I've ever seen, but he's allegedly talented, so does that buy him one more go-round? Pauline suggested on the Cimini podcast that Edoga had some personal/mental issues that caused him to drop, however. It'd really be something to eject both third rounders within a year of their draft day. He should at least be in the mix; at least compete for a spot. Gotta hope after a full offseason in an NFL program, that he looks like a different player next year. But we certainly can't count on him to start. If he proves that he can, it is an added bonus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, PepPep said: I agree RE: Shell. He has had the starts and time to show what he can do and he has not been able to be a competent starter. To me, its clear that he does not have the athleticism to handle speedy edge rushers. He routinely lets guys go around him b/c he can't keep up with them. He's decent when he goes up against slower, bull rush type defenders. But when he faces someone with a half decent speed move, he is toast. More than anyone else he has gotten Sam nearly killed this year. Its not something you can teach or improve that much upon either. On top of that he is a FA. Shell is gone. Yep, too many time so he’s gotten beat bad causing Sam to get smacked blind. RT is just as important as LT now. Funny cuz I think Macc was looking to extend Shell. Idk about the prospects but I’d figure maybe keep Beachum at LT now, have the rookie start at RT. Then switch over the following year. Or something like that lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, pdxgreen said: I am interested to see the final individual league rankings of our lineman. We had so combinations it was hard to see who was effective for any given amount of time. It will be interesting to see just how many players are purged from the roster after evaluations. Looking at PFF, they actually had Kalil (35th ranked C) ranked ahead of Harrison (37). Not sure what games they were watching. They had Beachum and Shell ranked ranked 43 & 53 among tackles. (Edoga was 81 out of 83 ranked tackles) And Winters as our highest ranked guard at 37 ahead of Lewis and Compton. Not one lineman in the top 32 for his position group. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just a testament of how bad our previous gm was. After 5 full drafts, no legit olineman, CBs, pass rushers, WR's, RBs 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Lith said: Looking at PFF, they actually had Kalil (35th ranked C) ranked ahead of Harrison (37). Not sure what games they were watching. They had Beachum and Shell ranked ranked 43 & 53 among tackles. (Edoga was 81 out of 83 ranked tackles) And Winters as our highest ranked guard at 37 ahead of Lewis and Compton. Not one lineman in the top 32 for his position group. I never know how to put PFF rankings in context since they always low rate our players. I can't tell if it's a bias or if we really are that sh*tty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lith said: Looking at PFF, they actually had Kalil (35th ranked C) ranked ahead of Harrison (37). Not sure what games they were watching. They had Beachum and Shell ranked ranked 43 & 53 among tackles. (Edoga was 81 out of 83 ranked tackles) And Winters as our highest ranked guard at 37 ahead of Lewis and Compton. Not one lineman in the top 32 for his position group. Harrison is such an interesting case because, to the naked eye, he looks fine, but PFF always hates him and (as @#27TheDominator pointed out) he’s bounced around a bit. The one position we heard Gase want a serious upgrade for was at center, which led to the rift with Maccagnan and ended up with Kalil. You’d think it’ll be a point of emphasis for Douglas this offseason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Here's an interesting take. No pick is absurd and Thomas falls to 11. They do have CLE taking Jackson ahead of Thomas, but between now and the draft, so much can change that it's entirely possible. And even if they took Thomas, we could have our pick of Jackson, Wirfs and Jeudy. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-mock-draft-2020-dolphins-panthers-bengals-cowboys-raiders-redskins-lions/4hf53r8awx571nr4v1xr4k4cp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 We need Detroit to go defense, LAC and Miami to go QB and we’ll land an impact player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 On 12/31/2019 at 9:50 AM, Jetster said: How long is Solders contract? Plus, the Giants are scoring points but their defense is TERRIBLE! They would have beaten the Eagles if they had Okudah. Okudah is a stud CB. I do agree about Cards & Browns (Especially the Browns) but the Cardinals are another team with an awful defense that can't stop the run & Chandler Jones isn't getting any younger. So this could be Edge, Brown or Simmons? It's going to be interesting & there will be either a stud LT or WR falling to that 11 spot. I don't think Gettleman will pick OL, after all he's smarter than every other GM. An old school guy like Gettleman might take a middle LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, nycdan said: Here's an interesting take. No pick is absurd and Thomas falls to 11. They do have CLE taking Jackson ahead of Thomas, but between now and the draft, so much can change that it's entirely possible. And even if they took Thomas, we could have our pick of Jackson, Wirfs and Jeudy. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-mock-draft-2020-dolphins-panthers-bengals-cowboys-raiders-redskins-lions/4hf53r8awx571nr4v1xr4k4cp Besides Burrow and Chase having some fairly firm stock at this point - everything else is fluid. The tackles, receivers, DBs etc etc theres at least 5-6 super significant and important events on the horizon that will impact franchise evaluations. teams have literally not finished their talent grading yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Which QB is some team going to illogically fall in love with and have him shoot up the boards after a big combine and personal workouts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: Which QB is some team going to illogically fall in love with and have him shoot up the boards after a big combine and personal workouts? Fromm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS jets Fan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Which QB is some team going to illogically fall in love with and have him shoot up the boards after a big combine and personal workouts? TUA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Harrison is an interesting player to me. I think he could be the 5th best OL on a decent OL, but at Guard not Center. I watch him at Center and notice how often he gets caught off balance after snapping the ball. He's got such a powerful base it always surprises me. It makes me wonder if his reflexes are just a fraction slow to handle the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 hours ago, nycdan said: Here's an interesting take. No pick is absurd and Thomas falls to 11. They do have CLE taking Jackson ahead of Thomas, but between now and the draft, so much can change that it's entirely possible. And even if they took Thomas, we could have our pick of Jackson, Wirfs and Jeudy. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-mock-draft-2020-dolphins-panthers-bengals-cowboys-raiders-redskins-lions/4hf53r8awx571nr4v1xr4k4cp Most mocks have Wills as a top 15 pick, in this mock he isn't even in the 1st rd. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Sucks too because the 3 teams ahead of us all need a LT. I feel like it’d almost a given Cleveland goes LT at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Which QB is some team going to illogically fall in love with and have him shoot up the boards after a big combine and personal workouts? Eason and the Navy kid Perry, but not as a QB. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Good news. Okudah is bound to go somewhere in Top 10, can help push an OT down to us. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Which QB is some team going to illogically fall in love with and have him shoot up the boards after a big combine and personal workouts? Jacob Eason 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 33 minutes ago, section314 said: Eason and the Navy kid Perry, but not as a QB. Eason is a great choice. Size, arm strength and supposedly a great kid; teammates at Georgia loved the commtiment he showed to the team in practice after he was beat out by Fromm a couple of years ago. He will probably ace his interviews. Eason coulld be a guy to rise through the pre-draft process. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Tyler Johnson is a pretty good Wr for Minnesota. I had seen him being the top wr in the 2nd/3rd round for some of these mock simulators i have run and i can see why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Any chance the NY Jets draft a TE possibly 3rd round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 On 12/31/2019 at 1:22 PM, Green Truth said: Castonzo at the moment is considering retirement. He is 31 and it really comes down to how much more does he want to play. Anytime I hear a player considering retirement, his love for the game may be gone. https://fox59.com/2019/12/30/its-going-to-be-a-decision-i-make-colts-anthony-castonzo-says-retirement-is-an-option/ No more high priced FA's that are over 30 yrs old and may just be trying for a final big paycheck and will just mail it in. Draft well and pay our proven players and pick up a FA after their rookie deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I know it’s pre-free agency, but as it stands right now, I count at least 5 teams picking ahead of us who could absolutely be in the market for an OT. And that’s discounting Washington, who I think is probably a lock to take Chase Young at #2. But the Giants, Dolphins, Chargers, Cardinals and Browns all need one. Hell, you could argue Detroit could be in the mix as well with how beat up Stafford has been the last 2 years. I don’t think it’s even remotely close to a lock that one of Thomas, Wills or Wirfs falls to us. I actually think it’s more likely that we end up choosing between one of the top wideouts like Lamb and an EDGE like Epenesa if we stay at #11. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 20 hours ago, PepPep said: Thanks, Would not mind Jeudy or Lamb either. And in this scenario Wirfs, Wills and Thomas are gone. However, I doubt only one QB goes ahead of the Jets. If that is the case, there might be an opportunity for a trad down. The Dolphins, selecting at 18 and loaded with draft capital may want to jump the Colts at 13 (who could very well want a QB as well) for Herbert. Then the question is- do you take a trade down with the Dolphins to select at 18 and lose out on Jeudy? Tough decision for JD. What would the Jets get in return, if it was a 2nd or high 3rd JD should jump at the trade. Jets have *many* needs and could use the extra pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 36 minutes ago, Untouchable said: I know it’s pre-free agency, but as it stands right now, I count at least 5 teams picking ahead of us who could absolutely be in the market for an OT. And that’s discounting Washington, who I think is probably a lock to take Chase Young at #2. But the Giants, Dolphins, Chargers, Cardinals and Browns all need one. Hell, you could argue Detroit could be in the mix as well with how beat up Stafford has been the last 2 years. I don’t think it’s even remotely close to a lock that one of Thomas, Wills or Wirfs falls to us. I actually think it’s more likely that we end up choosing between one of the top wideouts like Lamb and an EDGE like Epenesa if we stay at #11. If Epenesa and Chaisson blow up their drills at the Combine, it could push a few OL down the ladder to us. I think we’re seeing so many OTs in the top ten right now because their evaluations are easier and more static, so the Matt Millers and Todd McShays of the world feel safe projecting them high while discounting other positions that require an actual scouting acumen to assess. Some of those OL will “drop” and a few EDGE players, QBs, and CBs will suddenly “rise up the charts” as more information comes out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 So it's being reported that Trent Williams is now willing to return to Washington now that Bruce Allen and the coaching/medical staff have been fired. I'm keeping an eye on that, because it may have an effect on how the draft plays out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, King P said: So it's being reported that Trent Williams is now willing to return to Washington now that Bruce Allen and the coaching/medical staff have been fired. I'm keeping an eye on that, because it may have an effect on how the draft plays out I don’t think it will have a big effect. I think OL was gonna be the top priority in the draft regardless. It’s possible to go WR if Lamb or Jeudy fall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jets723 said: I don’t think it will have a big effect. I think OL was gonna be the top priority in the draft regardless. It’s possible to go WR if Lamb or Jeudy fall I know that. I'm saying it could have an effect on which players get picked before us. If Williams wasn't coming back, then there's a chance Washington takes Thomas at 2. But If Trent comes back, Chase Young is a lock at 2 and the run on OL doesn't start as early and how teams pick could be different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 https://www.drafttek.com/2020-NFL-Mock-Draft/2020-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round-1.asp Drafttek (Updated Dec. 30th) has the Jets PASSING on Wirfs and Lamb and taking A.Jackson- OT, USC Bengals- Burrow Wash- Young Det- Brown NYG- A.Thomas Miami- Okudah Chargers- Herbert Carolina- Jeudy Arizona- Epenesa Jax- Simmons CLE- Wills NYJ- A.Jackson Raiders- Lamb Colts- Leatherwood Tampa- Wirfs *I don't agree with this mock. I don't see Wirfs falling this far or being taken after Leatherwood an Jackson. But one thing I have noticed is that at 11 almost every mock has the Jets having the chance to draft a top WR or OT prospect, which should be great news for Jet fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Walterfootball has the Jets taking Mekhi Becton-OT despite Lamb, Wills and Wirfs being on the board. https://www.walterfootball.com/draft2020.php Cincy- Burrows Was- Young Det- Okudah NYG- Jeudy Miami- Tua Chargers- Herbert Panthers- Brown Cards- A.Thomas Jax- Simmons Browns- A.Jackson Jets- Mekhi Becton- OT Raiders- Lamb *Highly unlikely this happens. Becton would have to blow up the combine and rocket up draft boards to get selected this high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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