Popular Post Jets723 Posted January 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 Look I understand as the 3rd overall pick we wanted a impact player immediately and Williams certainly didn’t have an impactful year. However I still feel he is gonna be a very good player for us despite not having a great rookie campaign. I do think injuries played a role in his year but also he didn’t seem comfortable either. I do think now that he had a year under him he will have a big second year. I know most. Have already made up their mind on him but let’s give the kid a chance in his second year 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted January 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 more years of these kind of posts coming up each year with slightly lower expectations. This guy is Leo Williams all over again. 9 1 3 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warfish Posted January 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jets723 said: Look I understand as the 3rd overall pick we wanted a impact player immediately and Williams certainly didn’t have an impactful year. However I still feel he is gonna be a very good player for us despite not having a great rookie campaign. I do think injuries played a role in his year but also he didn’t seem comfortable either. I do think now that he had a year under him he will have a big second year. I know most. Have already made up their mind on him but let’s give the kid a chance in his second year He was very disappointing in 2019. Basically a non-impact player. That's not what anyone would/should expect from the #3 overall pick of the draft. But he's a NY Jet for a number of years still to come, and he'll get every chance to prove himself in 2020 and 2021 at a minimum. We simply have to hope that he will improve in 2020 and beyond, as is not yet another failed Jets D-Line #1 pick. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: 4 more years of these kind of posts coming up each year with slightly lower expectations. This guy is Leo Williams all over again. A run stopper at best. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post section314 Posted January 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jets723 said: Look I understand as the 3rd overall pick we wanted a impact player immediately and Williams certainly didn’t have an impactful year. However I still feel he is gonna be a very good player for us despite not having a great rookie campaign. I do think injuries played a role in his year but also he didn’t seem comfortable either. I do think now that he had a year under him he will have a big second year. I know most. Have already made up their mind on him but let’s give the kid a chance in his second year You are 100% correct that you can't give up on any player after one year. That said, this team desperately needed an edge rusher, and we were in position to get one last year. Allen, Sweat and Burns were all there for the taking. Any one of those guys would have made this a much better defense. The pick of Q can not be justified, no matter how good he gets. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Jadeveon Clowney had a worse rookie season and was the number one overall pick. There's still hope for the Jets neophyte to become a difference maker. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Trade this beast 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Who? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, Barry McCockinner said: Trade this beast If another blockbuster deal comes along I wouldn't be surprised if they traded him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 The biggest problem for me wasn't a disappointing rookie season. It was that he didnt seem to improve as the year went on. Not many have "given up on him" yet. But Quinnen better do whatever the hell GW says he needs to do in the offseason to get better. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maxman Posted January 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 If history is any guide this is the future for Q: 2020: Coaches tell him to drop weight and be more nimble. During the season we find out that he can not cover a tight end and he is lost 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. 2021: New coaches tell him to fatten up and go back to his normal position. All year we hear give it time, his body is adjusting to the additional weight. 2022: Everyone realizes he stinks and he is traded to the Giants for a 3rd rounder. The Jets get an additional 4th rounder if he gets a single sack. He doesn't. 9 1 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 We drafted two guys called Williams a couple of places apart, a few years removed from each other, who play the exact same position. And fans are transferring the exact same post draft dysfunction and bias to the other guy when the first Williams is traded That is the most SOJF thing I have ever experienced in my life. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, Maxman said: If history is any guide this is the future for Q: 2020: Coaches tell him to drop weight and be more nimble. During the season we find out that he can not cover a tight end and he is lost 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. 2021: New coaches tell him to fatten up and go back to his normal position. All year we hear give it time, his body is adjusting to the additional weight. 2022: Everyone realizes he stinks and he is traded to the Giants for a 3rd rounder. The Jets get an additional 4th rounder if he gets a single sack. He doesn't. Sounds more like Coples. And that didn't end with him being traded.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 32 minutes ago, Jets723 said: Look I understand as the 3rd overall pick we wanted a impact player immediately and Williams certainly didn’t have an impactful year. However I still feel he is gonna be a very good player for us despite not having a great rookie campaign. I do think injuries played a role in his year but also he didn’t seem comfortable either. I do think now that he had a year under him he will have a big second year. I know most. Have already made up their mind on him but let’s give the kid a chance in his second year People have to keep in mind that he was asked even at DE to be more of a space eater which is why many others with lesser names like Shepherd, Basham, Phillips, etc. were making a lot of TFLs, sacks, etc. along with LBs like Copeland, Burgess, etc. Plus the fact the QW is playing on one of the top rated Dlines in the league and there should really be no questioning there since he is a starter. It's not like he has very limited playing time minutes. Some also as you allude to like Shepherd looked like busts in their first year and now that guy looks like a monster. People just have to let some things play out to be sure. Now we were sure about Leo since we gave it ample time, and then we got a good deal to trade him for a high 3rd rounder this year and hopefully a high 4th rounder next year, those picks that can now be converted to be used on Oline hopefully since we were irresponsibly using no picks on Oline and all our picks on D especially at Dline when the league has now moved to where the O is more important and as we see like on our team the DC can get the players to be a top 5-10 D without spending 10-15 number 1 draft picks there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Another mindless pick by the Jets. What a waste. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 He needs to get stronger and get back to his technique, those roids really helped Shepherd maybe he can link up Quinnen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I wonder if Bills fans are calling Oliver a bust. Just sayin. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 How many great DL had an adjustment period in the NFL. Can't somebody do a chart on NFL greats? We always seem to have a chart for stuff like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, genot said: I wonder if Bills fans are calling Oliver a bust. Just sayin. Why would they? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 56 minutes ago, section314 said: You are 100% correct that you can't give up on any player after one year. That said, this team desperately needed an edge rusher, and we were in position to get one last year. Allen, Sweat and Burns were all there for the taking. Any one of those guys would have made this a much better defense. The pick of Q can not be justified, no matter how good he gets. I don't think Allen would have had the same impact on the Jets, that goes for Oliver as well. The trurh is our D isn't very good and over achieved this season. We have no pass rushers and no DB's. The only thing we have is DL and o e or two LB's. Next season can be very different with Mosley and Williamson back. The development of Hewitt will also pay benefits. Q will have a lot of help that could get him miss matches and free him up on olays. This guy isn't Leo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, RobR said: Why would they? Please. Ed Oliver's production wasn't that much better than William's. Playing DT in a 4-3, the same position he played at Houston. Not to mention having Murphy and Hughes at ends. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, genot said: Please. Ed Oliver's production wasn't that much better than William's. Playing DT in a 4-3, the same position he played at Houston. Not to mention having Murphy and Hughes at ends. The Bills are in the playoffs the NY Jets aren't I think that helps pacify any doubts Bills fans have about Ed Oliver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, genot said: Playing DT in a 4-3, the same position he played at Houston. Just this statement alone proves how clueless you are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, RobR said: Just this statement alone proves how clueless you are. In what way. Be specific. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, genot said: In what way. Be specific. Thank you. Happy new year Genot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Problem is if he doesn’t turn into Aaron Donald then we could easily use mid round picks UDFAs to fill that spot instead. Of course not his fault he was drafted so high but it doesn’t lessen the sting for us Jet fans that our roster looks as empty as a buffet table as I walk out the door., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 So much for the BAP draft strategy. We will see if he grows up but I’m not holding my breath. Plus, there’s no question that he plays a position that doesn’t impact the game as much as a pass rusher or a stand alone CB. Maybe at the college level but not at the NFL . NFL Olineman are just too big, too smart and too strong. And to add to that, QBs seem to be releasing the ball faster and faster,so it’s that much harder for a DT to get to the QB. now if a 50 something guy from the great White North can figure that out how come an NFL experienced general manager can’t? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RobR Posted January 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, CanadienJetsFan said: now if a 50 something white guy from the great White North can figure that out how come an NFL experienced general manager can’t? The answer lies in the middle of your username. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, RobR said: Happy new year Genot. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-how-ed-olivers-pass-rushing-was-held-back-by-houstons-scheme ..........I was wrong about houston's scheme. Busted. It does not change my opinion about QW, though. He did play the 3 technique at Alabama. He rarely played it this year with the Jet's. So, according to the posted article, Oliver in theory should have flashed more as a pass rusher, playing with the bills, and QW's pass rushing production was held back for the same reason Olivers was at Houston. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, RobR said: Happy new year Genot. Happy new year. Sometimes i jump the gun, and shoot myself in the ass. I think i posted a good comeback though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 40 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: The Bills are in the playoffs the NY Jets aren't I think that helps pacify any doubts Bills fans have about Ed Oliver. This is true, but the jets could go to the AFCC game and there would be posters that would be pissing on this pick; but yeah, things always seem better when you are still playing in January. No meaningful games in November let alone December can really limit the happiness factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, bostonmajet said: This is true, but the jets could go to the AFCC game and there would be posters that would be pissing on this pick; but yeah, things always seem better when you are still playing in January. No meaningful games in November let alone December can really limit the happiness factor. The night the NY Jets win the Super Bowl there will be posters here complaining about something. Book it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welp Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 If QW was held back by the scheme are we really planning on changing it if GW will be back at DC next year? Ultimately I think will be QW a good player but I feel we are going to have the same conversation every year he’s here if he’s playing under this current scheme especially based on his draft position. To me he’s playing at a position of depth and he still has value so if we could get a low day one pick or high day two pick where we can get a starter at WR or OL we should really consider it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 He’ll never be as good as Leo, Wilkerson, or Sheldon. And I don’t think any of those players were great. My hope is that Quinnen can become an average starting player. Just sickening that Maccagnan made this pick. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Hard to think of too many rookie DL that underperformed this highly to their draft positioning and then magically started living up to it within the foreseeable future. It's still hard to fathom that the Jets went with interior DL yet again last year, especially considering how glaring all the problems on offense were. BAP can really be a complete crock of sh*t sometimes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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