Trade Adams

[papz187]

Adams is a playmaker period. That's more important to me than type casting him by what position he plays.

 

Just look at the play he made on the 2 point conversation to stop Dallas at the end of the game, or the strip sack/TD ryback vs the Giants....he can rush the passer, play the run very well and is decent in coverage....definitely an asset that I'm not trading unless I'm blown away.

 

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[sec101row23]

So for all this trade Adams talk that has been going on since the trade deadline, please explain what the trade market really is for him.  What team is going to give up what is necessary for Douglas to trade him and then sign Adams for the money he is going to want?  There was ONE team RUMORED to have interest in Adams at the deadline, the so called “blockbuster deal” was leaked by the Cowboys.  Given their situation right now, there is no realistic scenario that I could see them doing a deal for Adams given all their other needs right now.   None.  
 

At some point you have to return to reality and come to grips that Adams is going to be a Jet in 2020.  

[MindOverMatter]

This is a tough call for me because I'm a fan of Adams he is a really good player and all, but given the Jets circumstances it would be tough to pass up multiple high picks for him. Having that extra 1st rounder and multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders allows so much flexibility in your draft board. 

Using the Cowboys as an example, Jets would have 11, 17, 2 2nd round, 2 3rd round from the Leo trade....that is the best way to rebuild a roster imo.

At 11 you could take Lamb and wait to grab a Tackle at 17 if the board falls that way. Would love a combo of one of the top WR and LT prospects, or just straight OLine.

[Beerfish]

4 hours ago, Dunnie said:

  If you buy a Porsche because its engine, finish, seats, windows, exhaust pipe, hood ornament etc all add up to an amazing car ... It won't mean sh*t if you don't have the key.    

Sam Darnold might be the man at QB , but he doesn't have the personality to drive the team with motivation. Jamal is the heartbeat of the team ... Dood brings it on every down ... Some would say ILB is not a position worth spending huge money on ...

 

Tell that to Ray Lewis.

 

Jamal may be this type of generational player ... And u want to trade that away ?????

 

It would need to be the Herschel Walker trade for me to agree to that.

 

So players u would trade in their prime include Ray Lewis, Troy Palamalu, Ed Reed, Ear Thomas, Cam Chancellor, Darren Sharper ... Etc etc etc

 

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The Jets are a porchse and we have finally got the engine in Darnold.

Jamal Adams is the automatic sun roof.

We have no tires, no brakes, no steering wheel but we have a fancy sun roof.

Now if I can trade my sunroof (which is a nice thing to have granted) and get two tires the steering wheel and some brakes I'm much closer to driving my car.

Jamal Adams compared him self to Aaron Donald and Tom Brady and you are comparing him to Ray Lewis.

Make the madness stop!

[sec101row23]

18 minutes ago, MindOverMatter said:

This is a tough call for me because I'm a fan of Adams he is a really good player and all, but given the Jets circumstances it would be tough to pass up multiple high picks for him. Having that extra 1st rounder and multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders allows so much flexibility in your draft board. 

Using the Cowboys as an example, Jets would have 11, 17, 2 2nd round, 2 3rd round from the Leo trade....that is the best way to rebuild a roster imo.

At 11 you could take Lamb and wait to grab a Tackle at 17 if the board falls that way. Would love a combo of one of the top WR and LT prospects, or just straight OLine.

I urge everyone to go look at who is on the Cowboys roster next year, then look at their cap space.   There is no QB, the only WRs are Gallup and Devin Smith, no Byron Jones  but the Cowboys are going to trade and give their 1st and 2nd round draft picks to acquire Adams and then give him $15 million per year??   Come on people. 

[Beerfish]

1 minute ago, sec101row23 said:

I urge everyone to go look at who is on the Cowboys roster next year, then look at their cap space.   There is no QB, the only WRs are Gallup and Devin Smith, no Byron Jones  but the Cowboys are going to trade and give their 1st and 2nd round draft picks to acquire Adams and then give him $15 million per year??   Come on people. 

If a team wants to get a player in todays nfl they will get that player (or at least do what is necessary to have a shot).  Every year people say 'This team has no camp space at all!" and each year those teams find cap space.

[MindOverMatter]

7 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

I urge everyone to go look at who is on the Cowboys roster next year, then look at their cap space.   There is no QB, the only WRs are Gallup and Devin Smith, no Byron Jones  but the Cowboys are going to trade and give their 1st and 2nd round draft picks to acquire Adams and then give him $15 million per year??   Come on people. 

I was just using them as an example since it's the only team that was rumored to have interest. If no one else bites than fine, but I wouldn't trade him for anything less than 2 high picks. 

[More Cowbell]

47 minutes ago, MindOverMatter said:

This is a tough call for me because I'm a fan of Adams he is a really good player and all, but given the Jets circumstances it would be tough to pass up multiple high picks for him. Having that extra 1st rounder and multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders allows so much flexibility in your draft board. 

Using the Cowboys as an example, Jets would have 11, 17, 2 2nd round, 2 3rd round from the Leo trade....that is the best way to rebuild a roster imo.

At 11 you could take Lamb and wait to grab a Tackle at 17 if the board falls that way. Would love a combo of one of the top WR and LT prospects, or just straight OLine.

Wjat tackle are you taking g at 17. Leatherwood is staying in school, Wirfs and Thinas are off the board. Is it worth taking Lamb and a OL with probably the same talent level as a guy in the second round?

[Jetsfan80]

52 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

I urge everyone to go look at who is on the Cowboys roster next year, then look at their cap space.   There is no QB, the only WRs are Gallup and Devin Smith, no Byron Jones  but the Cowboys are going to trade and give their 1st and 2nd round draft picks to acquire Adams and then give him $15 million per year??   Come on people. 

They were prepared to give up at least a first for Adams at the deadline.  Jerry Jones moves in mysterious ways.  

[Warfish]

Giving Adams a new contract, for 4-5 years at $15 million per year, would be one of the biggest mistakes this franchise has ever made.

Too much cap for far too little production or impact.

A backwards wrong headed move by a backwards wrongheaded franchise, investing franchise cornerstone type money in a luxury nice-to-have position of minimal legitimate impact at best, especially if we ever get healthy or decent LB's or Edge players, upon which point run stopping pass rushing not-so-great-in-coverage Adams effectively has no role.

I fully expect this IS what will happen.  We'll give him five year, $16 mil per, and we'll all hate the deal by its third year.

[section314]

4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

They were prepared to give up at least a first for Adams at the deadline.  Jerry Jones moves in mysterious ways.  

If the Cowboys hire Lincoln Riley, who coaches in a conference that is allergic to defense, and has been outscored something like 110-40 in his last two playoff games, we may need to find a new trade partner?

 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, section314 said:

If the Cowboys hire Lincoln Riley, who coaches in a conference that is allergic to defense, and has been outscored something like 110-40 in his last two playoff games, we may need to find a new trade partner?

 

We all know Jerry will want to be the straw that stirs the drink regardless of the HC.    

[More Cowbell]

11 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Giving Adams a new contract, for 4-5 years at $15 million per year, would be one of the biggest mistakes this franchise has ever made.

Too much cap for far too little production or impact.

A backwards wrong headed move by a backwards wrongheaded franchise, investing franchise cornerstone type money in a luxury nice-to-have position of minimal legitimate impact at best, especially if we ever get healthy or decent LB's or Edge players, upon which point run stopping pass rushing not-so-great-in-coverage Adams effectively has no role.

I fully expect this IS what will happen.  We'll give him five year, $16 mil per, and we'll all hate the deal by its third year.

Every year we hear an argument, how can you give this guy so much money. In 2016 Ramsey or Peterson signed a deal for I think 4 years for 24 Million. I'm sure everyone thought how can you invest so much at that time as well, right now if that deal was struck, everyone would be screaming what a bargain that was. 

15 Mil a year will soon be what a kicker gets paid with the way the cap keeps going up. 

[Jetsfan80]

11 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Every year we hear an argument, how can you give this guy so much money. In 2016 Ramsey or Peterson signed a deal for I think 4 years for 24 Million. I'm sure everyone thought how can you invest so much at that time as well, right now if that deal was struck, everyone would be screaming what a bargain that was. 

 15 Mil a year will soon be what a kicker gets paid with the way the cap keeps going up. 

 

The cap going up isn't an excuse to make it rain.  You still have to make smart decisions with your resources to win in this league.  

[joewilly12]

5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

The cap going up isn't an excuse to make it rain.  You still have to make smart decisions with your resources to win in this league.  

And you need good proven NFL players not a roster full of JAG's to do it.

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, joewilly12 said:

And you need good proven NFL players not a roster full of JAG's to do it.

I wasn't advocating letting go of Jordan Jenkins.  Sheesh.

[Titan24]

I look at it like this....guy is a very good player

and would sure as hell pay him before paying Robbie Anderson.... let Robbie walk pay him....

[sec101row23]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

If a team wants to get a player in todays nfl they will get that player (or at least do what is necessary to have a shot).  Every year people say 'This team has no camp space at all!" and each year those teams find cap space.

It’s really not about cap space though, it’s about the Cowboys NEEDING those picks to fill out their roster.  They are not a “safety away” from winning anything.  

[More Cowbell]

14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

The cap going up isn't an excuse to make it rain.  You still have to make smart decisions with your resources to win in this league.  

And if 15 Million is a small investment capwise to keep an All Pro, that isn't  a smart investment hater?

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, More Cowbell said:

And if 15 Million is a small investment capwise to keep an All Pro, that isn't  a smart investment hater?

That isn't a small investment.  That's 7 % of the cap.  

Couple that with $17.5M going to Mosley and $15.5M going to Le'Veon and that adds up.  And eventually, we're going to have to pay Darnold (or someone else).

[Jets723]

45 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

They were prepared to give up at least a first for Adams at the deadline.  Jerry Jones moves in mysterious ways.  

yes But that not enough.  The Jets want(rightfully so) a first and a second at the minimum

[More Cowbell]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

That isn't a small investment.  That's 7 % of the cap.  

Right now it is and btw, we aren't  paying him 15 million now so the argument isn't  relevant.  We also don't  know what he will get but i would bet if we give him a 4 year 60 million deal in two years, by year two of his contract, it will look like pocket change in comparison  to what contracts are being paid to S that aren't  even as good.  

[Titan24]

51 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Giving Adams a new contract, for 4-5 years at $15 million per year, would be one of the biggest mistakes this franchise has ever made.

Too much cap for far too little production or impact.

A backwards wrong headed move by a backwards wrongheaded franchise, investing franchise cornerstone type money in a luxury nice-to-have position of minimal legitimate impact at best, especially if we ever get healthy or decent LB's or Edge players, upon which point run stopping pass rushing not-so-great-in-coverage Adams effectively has no role.

I fully expect this IS what will happen.  We'll give him five year, $16 mil per, and we'll all hate the deal by its third year.

You’re a poster whose content I enjoy reading but this got me fired up:

And I’m no Adams homer

Far too little an impact? Many on this board (not sure of your position) would go ahead and pay R Anderson $13 mil/yr for what impact? A middle of pack receiver, but not put down an extra 2 mil for maybe best safety in the league 

I would argue J Adams has a much bigger impact on an avg Sunday than Anderson and its not close.

i don’t think 15 mil/yr is a cap killer knowing this team has nobody to pay besides Sam.... they have to pay someone.

 

[Warfish]

26 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

And if 15 Million is a small investment capwise to keep an All Pro, that isn't  a smart investment hater?

No, building your team around your Strong Safety is not a good investment nor a route to a Title.

[joewilly12]

The NY Jets have no identity if it weren't for Jamal Adams he is a top NFL player.

[Warfish]

13 minutes ago, Titan24 said:

You’re a poster whose content I enjoy reading but this got me fired up:

That makes me happy, actually.  Being boring would be far worse.

13 minutes ago, Titan24 said:

And I’m no Adams homer

Far too little an impact? Many on this board (not sure of your position) would go ahead and pay R Anderson $13 mil/yr for what impact? A middle of pack receiver, but not put down an extra 2 mil for maybe best safety in the league 

You will not find me ever supporting resigning Anderson at those rates.  Anderson is a #3 WR and at-best can be paid accordingly.

13 minutes ago, Titan24 said:

I would argue J Adams has a much bigger impact on an avg Sunday than Anderson and its not close.

I don't think either are particularly impactful.

If Adams moved the needle, we'd have a better record since he arrived.  A Quarterback, an Offense, that wins games.  Pass rush (of which Adams is a stand-in at best given our lack of LB, DT and Edge rushers) wins games.  Great coverage leading to multiple Interceptions wins games (and Adams did win a game with one of his infrequent turnovers this year) wins games. 

Strong Safeties will never be needle movers, they'll always be luxuries or fill ins for weaknesses elsewhere.  

13 minutes ago, Titan24 said:

i don’t think 15 mil/yr is a cap killer knowing this team has nobody to pay besides Sam.... they have to pay someone.

Someone put it perfectly:

Pretend you don't have Adams today.  Pretend he was drafted by the Cowboys, say.

Would you, TODAY, trade our #1 Pick and #3 pick this year to acquire him, and pay him $15 million+ per year for the next five years?

Given the State of this team, and our horrific 32nd ranked offense, I wouldn't. 

And I don't think anyone else would either.  And if you wouldn't, and cannot defend doing it, well......we have our answer.

[More Cowbell]

5 minutes ago, Warfish said:

No, building your team around your Strong Safety is not a good investment nor a route to a Title.

I really think you people care too much about the position and not enough about the player. They only thing you anti-Adams groupies  complain about is that he plays S. 

[Warfish]

5 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

The NY Jets have no identity if it weren't for Jamal Adams he is a top NFL player.

Lol if you think Adams is "our identity".  Sam Darnold is our identity, most non-Jets fans have no idea who Adams is, All Pro or not.

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Lol if you think Adams is "our identity".  Sam Darnold is our identity, most non-Jets fans have no idea who Adams is, All Pro or not.

No he's not.  4000 yard QB is not our identity our D was near the top in the NFL out O was near the bottom. LMFAO

[Warfish]

1 minute ago, More Cowbell said:

I really think you people care too much about the position and not enough about the player. They only thing you anti-Adams groupies  complain about is that he plays S. 

So take the test then:

All other things about the Jets being equal to now:

Pretend we don't have Adams today.  Pretend he was drafted by the Cowboys, say. 

All other things are equal (All-Pro, Salary desire, availability to trade for him).

Would you, TODAY, trade our #1 Pick and #3 pick this year to acquire him, and pay him $15 million+ per year for the next five years?

[Biggs]

37 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

That isn't a small investment.  That's 7 % of the cap.  

Couple that with $17.5M going to Mosley and $15.5M going to Le'Veon and that adds up.  And eventually, we're going to have to pay Darnold (or someone else).

Bell is cut after next year and Mosley can't be cut until after the 21 season.  Neither should hold us back from signing a young star.   

[More Cowbell]

2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

That makes me happy, actually.  Being boring would be far worse.

You will not find me ever supporting resigning Anderson at those rates.  Anderson is a #3 WR and at-best can be paid accordingly.

I don't think either are particularly impactful.

If Adams moved the needle, we'd have a better record since he arrived.  A Quarterback, an Offense, that wins games.  Pass rush (of which Adams is a stand-in at best given our lack of LB, DT and Edge rushers) wins games.  Great coverage leading to multiple Interceptions wins games (and Adams did win a game with one of his infrequent turnovers this year) wins games. 

Strong Safeties will never be needle movers, they'll always be luxuries or fill ins for weaknesses elsewhere.  

Someone put it perfectly:

Pretend you don't have Adams today.  Pretend he was drafted by the Cowboys, say.

Would you, TODAY, trade our #1 Pick and #3 pick this year to acquire him, and pay him $15 million+ per year for the next five years?

Given the State of this team, and our horrific 32nd ranked offense, I wouldn't. 

And I don't think anyone else would either.  And if you wouldn't, and cannot defend doing it, well......we have our answer.

This is the most moronic argument yet. The Jets should trade their #1 pick for nobody, not even Tyron Smith.  We can't  afford to take a chance at even a sure thing if we don't  know if he will blow  up our cap and suck or get injured. If we select a draft pick and he sucks, whatever. Not what you want to see but he doesn't  blow up your cap and prevent you from paying other players because we are not an OT, Edge, WR, RB, or S/DB away from competing.  

[More Cowbell]

6 minutes ago, Warfish said:

So take the test then:

All other things about the Jets being equal to now:

Pretend we don't have Adams today.  Pretend he was drafted by the Cowboys, say. 

All other things are equal (All-Pro, Salary desire, availability to trade for him).

Would you, TODAY, trade our #1 Pick and #3 pick this year to acquire him, and pay him $15 million+ per year for the next five years?

I just responded to this idiotic statement  in another  thread bit here you go.

The Jets should trade their #1 pick for nobody, not even Tyron Smith.  We can't  afford to take a chance at even a sure thing if we don't  know if he will blow  up our cap and suck or get injured. If we select a draft pick and he sucks, whatever. Not what you want to see but he doesn't  blow up your cap and prevent you from paying other players because we are not an OT, Edge, WR, RB, or S/DB away from competing.

[sec101row23]

Just now, More Cowbell said:

I just responded to this idiotic statement  in another  thread bit here you go.

The Jets should trade their #1 pick for nobody, not even Tyron Smith.  We can't  afford to take a chance at even a sure thing if we don't  know if he will blow  up our cap and suck or get injured. If we select a draft pick and he sucks, whatever. Not what you want to see but he doesn't  blow up your cap and prevent you from paying other players because we are not an OT, Edge, WR, RB, or S/DB away from competing.

I think you just made the point Fish was trying to make.  

[More Cowbell]

1 minute ago, sec101row23 said:

I think you just made the point Fish was trying to make.  

How does paying Adams in 2 years also cost us a first round selection?  That is what he just proposed.