Jet_Engine1 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 The Hall of Fame is meaningless. That is all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Cool story bro. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 No 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 zach thomas in the hof? the guy was a good player but didn't dominate his position like klecko or even winston hill. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I use to follow the draft with a Joel Bushbaum draft guide. I believe Zachary was taken in the 3rd round, I wanted the Jets to take him so bad. Our sorry azz drafting goes back a long ways. Is it possible that Joe Douglas can turn that around? It really is sad that there are guys on this site that post in the draft threads that would have put together a better team than the guys paid good money to do it. It was almost impossible to miss as badly as Idzik + Macc, 10 years of futility. Just scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KRL Posted January 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2020 Its beyond disgusting how people continue to overlook Klecko. He should've been in the HOF years ago 7 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: The Hall of Fame is meaningless. That is all. Zach Thomas was a beast whenever I seen him play. He played in an era before the internet, so I was only able to see him play sparingly. I have no idea if he's a HOF'er. I do know that he was good on the football field though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: Zach Thomas was a beast whenever I seen him play. He played in an era before the internet, so I was only able to see him play sparingly. I have no idea if he's a HOF'er. I do know that he was good on the football field though. He was a very good player. The HOF isn't for very good players, though. It's for great, dominant players. At least it used to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, KRL said: Its beyond disgusting how people continue to overlook Klecko. He should've been in the HOF years ago I wonder if being a convicted felon is what's keeping Klecko out at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, jgb said: I wonder if being a convicted felon is what's keeping Klecko out at this point. There are a number of things keeping him out, sadly: 1. Was never singularly dominant. He was extremely good and rock solid, but he wasn't a larger-than-life Warren Sapp. Linemen respected him as a trenches guy, he was never famous per se. 2. Played almost all before Sacks were counted/a stat. Stats drive HOF resumes. 3. Played as part of a famous unit with big personalities. Mark Gastineau and his personality will forever shadow Lunchbox Joe Klecko and diminish him in many (media) eyes. 4. Never played a single position, and the ones he did play, not glamorous. Nose Tackle, D Tackle, D-End, he was good at all of them, but that's not a plus in many eyes. Some see him as a role player fill-in guy, as opposed to a guy so good and dominant at ONE spot he had to be kept there. 5. Convicted Felon. Not popular (I hear) with media during or after his career. 6. Time. Few remember him nowadays outside Jets Fan land. Far too much time has passed now, and today's media and voters may as well be talking the 1950's when the talk the 1980's. Joe played over 30 years ago now. I think Joe Klecko IS a HOF'er. But I do not think he ever will be voted into the HOF. The time where that was possible has passed. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, jgb said: I wonder if being a convicted felon is what's keeping Klecko out at this point. No, I don't think it's that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just this one comment from HOF lineman John Hannah should be enough, "Joe Klecko was one of the toughest players I ever had to block" That is all! The idea that some schmuck like Peter King gets to make these types of decisions tells you all you need to know. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, Warfish said: There are a number of things keeping him out, sadly: 1. Was never singularly dominant. He was extremely good and rock solid, but he wasn't a larger-than-life Warren Sapp. Linemen respected him as a trenches guy, he was never famous per se. 2. Played almost all before Sacks were counted/a stat. Stats drive HOF resumes. 3. Played as part of a famous unit with big personalities. Mark Gastineau and his personality will forever shadow Lunchbox Joe Klecko and diminish him in many (media) eyes. 4. Never played a single position, and the ones he did play, not glamorous. Nose Tackle, D Tackle, D-End, he was good at all of them, but that's not a plus in many eyes. Some see him as a role player fill-in guy, as opposed to a guy so good and dominant at ONE spot he had to be kept there. 5. Convicted Felon. Not popular (I hear) with media during or after his career. 6. Time. Few remember him nowadays outside Jets Fan land. Far too much time has passed now, and today's media and voters may as well be talking the 1950's when the talk the 1980's. Joe played over 30 years ago now. I think Joe Klecko IS a HOF'er. But I do not think he ever will be voted into the HOF. The time where that was possible has passed. This is all true. And unrelated to Zach Thomas. I live in South Florida, watched much of Thomas's career. He was a solid/very good LB who made a lot of tackles....5 yards off the LOS. He was a 5th rounder and was very popular in Florida and in the media, but has no business in the HOF. Mo Lewis at his best of head and shoulders above Zach Thomas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, rangerous said: zach thomas in the hof? the guy was a good player but didn't dominate his position like klecko or even winston hill. Zach Thomas was a 5 time 1st team all pro and a member of the all decade team in the 2000s(2nd team), Klecko was a 2 time 1st team all pro. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 54 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: Zach Thomas was a beast whenever I seen him play. He played in an era before the internet, so I was only able to see him play sparingly. I have no idea if he's a HOF'er. I do know that he was good on the football field though. Zach Thomas played his entire career in the internet era. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Untouchable Posted January 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2020 I stopped caring about the HOF years ago Tony Dungy is in there for god sake. The supposed “defensive mastermind” who routinely fielded soft, sh*t defenses with the Colts and was carried by Peyton Manning and that offense. They might as well put Brian Billick in the HOF. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said: The Hall of Fame is meaningless. That is all. He received a very, very strong endorsement from Kevin Mawae during Kevin's HOF induction speech. I don't think Thomas is quite a HOFer either but it was impressive and refreshing to hear someone like Mawae go out of his way to credit an opponent like Zach Thomas in that manner. To me, it says more about Kevin than Zach, but it may have raised Thomas' prospects or at least put him in the pool of consideration. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I hate the Dolphins with a passion but I respected the hell out of Thomas. The guy was a beast of a player. But the HOF has become so political that I don't really care for it anymore. Players need so many power brokers in their corner and the criteria seems to change over time. A grudge may keep a player out and that line is drawn in sand. The panel kept Stabler out till after he died because he set up a sportswriter with a coke bust and then narced on him. Mehta probably dreams somebody in the Jets would pull that one him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Savage69 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: Zach Thomas was a 5 time 1st team all pro and a member of the all decade team in the 2000s(2nd team), Klecko was a 2 time 1st team all pro. Even Gastineau made 3 1st team All Pro and 5 Pro Bowls.. How they figure out who makes Pro Bowls is confusing. In 2003 LT ran for 1645 yds on 313 carries(5.3 ypc) and 13 tds. He had 100 catches for 725 yds and 4 tds and even had a passing TD but no Pro Bowl. Yet in 1998 the compiler makes it with 1287 yds 8 tds and 3.5 ypc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Warfish said: There are a number of things keeping him out, sadly: 1. Was never singularly dominant. He was extremely good and rock solid, but he wasn't a larger-than-life Warren Sapp. Linemen respected him as a trenches guy, he was never famous per se. 2. Played almost all before Sacks were counted/a stat. Stats drive HOF resumes. 3. Played as part of a famous unit with big personalities. Mark Gastineau and his personality will forever shadow Lunchbox Joe Klecko and diminish him in many (media) eyes. 4. Never played a single position, and the ones he did play, not glamorous. Nose Tackle, D Tackle, D-End, he was good at all of them, but that's not a plus in many eyes. Some see him as a role player fill-in guy, as opposed to a guy so good and dominant at ONE spot he had to be kept there. 5. Convicted Felon. Not popular (I hear) with media during or after his career. 6. Time. Few remember him nowadays outside Jets Fan land. Far too much time has passed now, and today's media and voters may as well be talking the 1950's when the talk the 1980's. Joe played over 30 years ago now. I think Joe Klecko IS a HOF'er. But I do not think he ever will be voted into the HOF. The time where that was possible has passed. If I had to make the case for Joe Klecko going to the HOF I'd submit one data point.... He lifted a van in the movie Cannonball Run, arguably one of the greatest and most underrated comedy movies of all time. #GoldJacket 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NYJ37/12 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 No, Zach was NOT an impact player. Made many, many, many tackles....five yards down the field. Good player, not great 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Not 1st ballot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Loved Thomas, have no problem with him in HOF 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, NYJ37/12 said: No, Zach was NOT an impact player. Made many, many, many tackles....five yards down the field. Good player, not great I don't disagree with that, he was a tackle machine but many were downfield. The thing is he has so many all pro selections and was second team all decade. He's going to get in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 hours ago, rangerous said: zach thomas in the hof? the guy was a good player but didn't dominate his position like klecko or even winston hill. Must mean Shaun Ellis and John Abraham are first ballot hof ers. They were both twice as good as Zach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said: The Hall of Fame is meaningless. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said: The Hall of Fame is meaningless. That is all. Or you didn't watch Zack Thomas play football 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: I don't disagree with that, he was a tackle machine but many were downfield. The thing is he has so many all pro selections and was second team all decade. He's going to get in. He'll get in, he just shouldn't. Like many modern day players. Look at that list, Butler, Seymour, James, Young? Joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 hours ago, jmat321 said: Not 1st ballot 1st ballot in football is kind of meaningless at times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 26 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Or you didn't watch Zack Thomas play football I lived in SoFla for most of his career. He was idolized by the FloGrown crowd down here and belongs in the "Hall of Undersized White Guys who overachieved in sport and have a cult Following". People act like a guy who made his living tackling RBs 4+ yards beyond the LOS is Derrick Brooks or Derrick Thomas. Please. Hes DeMario Davis but with tenure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetswin Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said: The Hall of Fame is meaningless. That is all. this is true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetswin Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 4 hours ago, nyjunc said: I don't disagree with that, he was a tackle machine but many were downfield. The thing is he has so many all pro selections and was second team all decade. He's going to get in. Kyle Clifton had over 200 tackles one season, 5-7 yards downfield ... neither is a HOFer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 YES HE IS................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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