Jetsfan80 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 47 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Who was the last first team all-pro player we drafted? Anyone know? 36 minutes ago, JiF said: Jets fans - He sucks, doesnt make impact plays, isnt worth money, lets trade him!!! Also Jets fans - this team cant draft, never finds All-Pro's, has no talent!!! We should hire that Macc guy back right? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: We should hire that Macc guy back right? Can someone please ban this guy? @The Crusher 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Regardless of anyone's take on his "value" he just became one of only 6 Jets position players to be 1st Team All Pro in the last 25 seasons. He's a stud. There should be zero debate on that part of the Adams discussion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 ????????????? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, Scoop24 said: Back to back all pro .. lol I didn’t see any of the bills safety’s on up there Because they made the playoffs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, LockeJET said: Because they made the playoffs And they understand positional importance. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, Barry McCockinner said: Can someone please ban this guy? @The Crusher It’s something like 7 years bad luck. P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: We should hire that Macc guy back right? For getting 1 pick right? What are you insane? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, JiF said: For getting 1 pick right? What are you insane? I was trolling you. You're celebrating a Macc pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Trade value at an all-time high 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lounap23 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 45 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: I actually just read that Demario Davis made first team all-pro. That's a shocker to me. He's been balling ever since he came back to us from Cleveland. He had a monster year his 1 year back and earned that contract with the Saints. And has lived up and beyond it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said: Who was the last first team all-pro player we drafted? Anyone know? Nick Mangold was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009 and 2010. Darelle Revis was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2014. As for Adams, congrats to him, and congrats to us. We either have a soon-to-be-extremely expensive Strong Safety who makes All-Pro teams, or we have draft picks with which to start rebuilding our offense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Warfish said: Nick Mangold was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009 and 2010. Darelle Revis was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2014. it's sad that was what, 3 gms ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 When was the last time we had a first team all pro player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said: Who was the last first team all-pro player we drafted? Anyone know? Revis, I'd bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, DLJ said: When was the last time we had a first team all pro player? Technically last year with Roberts. First "position" player since Revis in 2011. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Warfish said: Nick Mangold was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009 and 2010. Darelle Revis was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2014. As for Adams, congrats to him, and congrats to us. We either have a soon-to-be-extremely expensive Strong Safety who makes All-Pro teams, or we have draft picks with which to start rebuilding our offense. fwiw I'm fine either way so long as we get what I think is proper value. If they trade Jamal for a first round pick I think it's dumb. If they trade him for two first round picks ... that's another story. If they keep him we have a baller on defense for another 4-5 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 27 minutes ago, LockeJET said: Because they made the playoffs Yeah that makes sense. Except all the other all pros that are in playoffs . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Excellent, the price just went up! A smart team really would look to deal this player. Massive value, nice draft coming up. Lots of team needs. the chance to totally remake a roster in one draft. too bad I think this team and the owner does not have the guts to make such a bold, gutsy move. You are 100% right. This is exactly when smart teams strike. How many times did we see Belichick deal a player at this exact moment? Drew Bledsoe for a 1st - Drafted Ty Waren, won 2 Super Bowls with him. Deion Branch for a 1st - Drafted Brandon Merriweather, went to a Super Bowl with him. Richard Seymour for a 1st - Drafted Nate Solder, won 2 Super Bowls with him. Logan Mankins for a 4th - Drafted Trey Flowers, won 2 Super Bowls with him. Chandler Jones for a 2nd - Drafted Joe Thuney, won 2 Super Bowls with him. Jamie Collins for a 3rd - Flipped it for Brandin Cooks, went to a Super Bowl with him... THEN got Jamie Collins back lol. Everyone of those guys was a Pro Bowler in their prime or at very least close to it, every one played a more important position than safety, and every one netted a more important position at the time. But yes... you cant trade Pro Bowlers and be successful... 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Technically last year with Roberts. First "position" player since Revis in 2011.Thanks totally forgot about him?Funny, he got paid in buffalo and has done sh-t, but they’re in the post season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said: fwiw I'm fine either way so long as we get what I think is proper value. If they trade Jamal for a first round pick I think it's dumb. If they trade him for two first round picks ... that's another story. If they keep him we have a baller on defense for another 4-5 years. No one is going to trade two first round picks for Jamal Adams, no matter how many All Pro 1st Teams he makes. I have trouble valuing what Adams provides vs. what an O-lineman and a WR would provide in his place, but to each his own. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barry McCockinner Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Warfish said: No one is going to trade two first round picks for Jamal Adams, no matter how many All Pro 1st Teams he makes. I have trouble valuing what Adams provides vs. what a chance at an O-lineman and a WR would provide in his place, but to each his own. fixed your post. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 He was a beast this year. My two favorite plays were the snatch and TD against the Giants and Troy-like goal line stand against the Cowboys 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, GreenFish said: He was a beast this year. My two favorite plays were the snatch and TD against the Giants and Troy-like goal line stand against the Cowboys jAmAl AdAmS dOeSn'T wIn GaMeS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said: fixed your post. Everything in life is about risks vs. rewards. What if Adams blows his ACL/MCL out first day in camp next year, a few days after we announce his 5 year, $75 million contract? We tok a risk, a calculated risk, and it blew up if that happens. You cannot run an NFL franchise pissing yourself in fear over taking chances and drafting players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: Who was the last first team all-pro player we drafted? Anyone know? i'm guessing brick or mangold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Warfish said: Everything in life is about risks vs. rewards. What if Adams blows his ACL/MCL out first day in camp next year, a few days after we announce his 5 year, $75 million contract? We tok a risk, a calculated risk, and it blew up if that happens. You cannot run an NFL franchise pissing yourself in fear over taking chances and drafting players. meh - every GM in the history of GM's would admit the draft is a crap shoot. Even the best GM's completely whiff on a lot of picks. I understand the logic behind moving Adams but can we not pretend whatever pick(s) come with that are auto-starters? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 56 minutes ago, JTJet said: You are 100% right. This is exactly when smart teams strike. How many times did we see Belichick deal a player at this exact moment? Drew Bledsoe for a 1st - Drafted Ty Waren, won 2 Super Bowls with him. Deion Branch for a 1st - Drafted Brandon Merriweather, went to a Super Bowl with him. Richard Seymour for a 1st - Drafted Nate Solder, won 2 Super Bowls with him. Logan Mankins for a 4th - Drafted Trey Flowers, won 2 Super Bowls with him. Chandler Jones for a 2nd - Drafted Joe Thuney, won 2 Super Bowls with him. Jamie Collins for a 3rd - Flipped it for Brandin Cooks, went to a Super Bowl with him... THEN got Jamie Collins back lol. Everyone of those guys was a Pro Bowler in their prime or at very least close to it, every one played a more important position than safety, and every one netted a more important position at the time. But yes... you cant trade Pro Bowlers and be successful... the bellichicken moves also show the value of having a winning team. none of those guys had the same success with the teams they ended up on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Warfish said: Nick Mangold was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009 and 2010. Darelle Revis was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2014. As for Adams, congrats to him, and congrats to us. We either have a soon-to-be-extremely expensive Strong Safety who makes All-Pro teams, or we have draft picks with which to start rebuilding our offense. how could i have forgotten about revis so soon. i thought it was mangold and brick. but this exercise also shows the value of having a few all-pro/borderline all pro types on a team. those 2009-2010 teams were pretty successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 hours ago, JiF said: Jets fans - He sucks, doesnt make impact plays, isnt worth money, lets trade him!!! Also Jets fans - this team cant draft, never finds All-Pro's, has no talent!!! Quick!! Name the other safety currently active in the NFL that was drafted in the top 6 of the draft? Who is nobody, Alex! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, rangerous said: the bellichicken moves also show the value of having a winning team. none of those guys had the same success with the teams they ended up on. Shows the value of drafting correctly for whatever your system is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Quick!! What other safety currently active in the NFL that was drafted in the top 6 of the draft? Who is nobody, Alex! Not getting how this is relevant to Jamal being an All-Pro but cool. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, JiF said: Not getting how this is relevant to Jamal being an All-Pro but cool. This is 100% the mike mccagnan way of thinking. As long as I draft the 'best player' at a position it is good. No it is not good because the 6th pick you use on jamal, 6th on leo and 3rd on quinnen are all on positions that in the end do not make you win. If they did the jets would be winners not losers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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