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47 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Who was the last first team all-pro player we drafted? Anyone know?

36 minutes ago, JiF said:

Jets fans - He sucks, doesnt make impact plays, isnt worth money, lets trade him!!!

Also Jets fans - this team cant draft, never finds All-Pro's, has no talent!!!

 

 

We should hire that Macc guy back right?

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Regardless of anyone's take on his "value" he just became one of only 6 Jets position players to be 1st Team All Pro in the last 25 seasons.

He's a stud. There should be zero debate on that part of the Adams discussion.

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😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

 

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13 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

Back to back all pro .. lol I didn’t see any of the bills safety’s on up there 

 Because they made the playoffs

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Just now, LockeJET said:

 Because they made the playoffs

And they understand positional importance.  

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Just now, Barry McCockinner said:

Can someone please ban this guy?

@The Crusher

It’s something like 7 years bad luck. P

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3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

We should hire that Macc guy back right?

For getting 1 pick right?  What are you insane?  

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Just now, JiF said:

For getting 1 pick right?  What are you insane?  

I was trolling you.  You're celebrating a Macc pick.  

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45 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I actually just read that Demario Davis made first team all-pro. That's a shocker to me. 

He's been balling ever since he came back to us from Cleveland.   He had a monster year his 1 year back and earned that contract with the Saints. And has lived up and beyond it.

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1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Who was the last first team all-pro player we drafted? Anyone know?

Nick Mangold was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009 and 2010.

Darelle Revis was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2014.

 

As for Adams, congrats to him, and congrats to us.  We either have a soon-to-be-extremely expensive Strong Safety who makes All-Pro teams, or we have draft picks with which to start rebuilding our offense. 

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1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Nick Mangold was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009 and 2010.

Darelle Revis was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2014.

it's sad that was what, 3 gms ago?

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When was the last time we had a first team all pro player?

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1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Who was the last first team all-pro player we drafted? Anyone know?

Revis, I'd bet

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3 minutes ago, DLJ said:

When was the last time we had a first team all pro player?

Technically last year with Roberts.  

First "position" player since Revis in 2011.

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8 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Nick Mangold was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009 and 2010.

Darelle Revis was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2014.

 

As for Adams, congrats to him, and congrats to us.  We either have a soon-to-be-extremely expensive Strong Safety who makes All-Pro teams, or we have draft picks with which to start rebuilding our offense. 

fwiw I'm fine either way so long as we get what I think is proper value. If they trade Jamal for a first round pick I think it's dumb. If they trade him for two first round picks ... that's another story. If they keep him we have a baller on defense for another 4-5 years.

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27 minutes ago, LockeJET said:

 Because they made the playoffs

Yeah that makes sense. Except all the other all pros that are in playoffs . 

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1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Excellent, the price just went up!

A smart team really would look to deal this player. 

Massive value, nice draft coming up.  Lots of team needs. the chance to totally remake a roster in one draft.

too bad I think this team and the owner does not have the guts to make such a bold, gutsy move.

You are 100% right. This is exactly when smart teams strike. How many times did we see Belichick deal a player at this exact moment? 

Drew Bledsoe for a 1st - Drafted Ty Waren, won 2 Super Bowls with him. 

Deion Branch for a 1st - Drafted Brandon Merriweather, went to a Super Bowl with him. 

Richard Seymour for a 1st - Drafted Nate Solder, won 2 Super Bowls with him. 

Logan Mankins for a 4th - Drafted Trey Flowers, won 2 Super Bowls with him.

Chandler Jones for a 2nd - Drafted Joe Thuney, won 2 Super Bowls with him.  

Jamie Collins for a 3rd - Flipped it for Brandin Cooks, went to a Super Bowl with him... THEN got Jamie Collins back lol. 

Everyone of those guys was a Pro Bowler in their prime or at very least close to it, every one played a more important position than safety, and every one netted a more important position at the time. 

But yes... you cant trade Pro Bowlers and be successful...

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Technically last year with Roberts.  
First "position" player since Revis in 2011.

Thanks totally forgot about him🤭

Funny, he got paid in buffalo and has done sh-t, but they’re in the post season

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1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

fwiw I'm fine either way so long as we get what I think is proper value. If they trade Jamal for a first round pick I think it's dumb. If they trade him for two first round picks ... that's another story. If they keep him we have a baller on defense for another 4-5 years.

No one is going to trade two first round picks for Jamal Adams, no matter how many All Pro 1st Teams he makes.

I have trouble valuing what Adams provides vs. what an O-lineman and a WR would provide in his place, but to each his own.

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6 minutes ago, Warfish said:

No one is going to trade two first round picks for Jamal Adams, no matter how many All Pro 1st Teams he makes.

I have trouble valuing what Adams provides vs. what a chance at an O-lineman and a WR would provide in his place, but to each his own.

fixed your post.

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He was a beast this year. My two favorite plays were the snatch and TD against the Giants and Troy-like goal line stand against the Cowboys

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1 minute ago, GreenFish said:

He was a beast this year. My two favorite plays were the snatch and TD against the Giants and Troy-like goal line stand against the Cowboys

jAmAl AdAmS dOeSn'T wIn GaMeS

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1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said:

fixed your post.

Everything in life is about risks vs. rewards.

What if Adams blows his ACL/MCL out first day in camp next year, a few days after we announce his 5 year, $75 million contract?  We tok a risk, a calculated risk, and it blew up if that happens.  

You cannot run an NFL franchise pissing yourself in fear over taking chances and drafting players. 

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2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Who was the last first team all-pro player we drafted? Anyone know?

i'm guessing brick or mangold.

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9 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Everything in life is about risks vs. rewards.

What if Adams blows his ACL/MCL out first day in camp next year, a few days after we announce his 5 year, $75 million contract?  We tok a risk, a calculated risk, and it blew up if that happens.  

You cannot run an NFL franchise pissing yourself in fear over taking chances and drafting players. 

meh - every GM in the history of GM's would admit the draft is a crap shoot. Even the best GM's completely whiff on a lot of picks. I understand the logic behind moving Adams but can we not pretend whatever pick(s) come with that are auto-starters?

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56 minutes ago, JTJet said:

You are 100% right. This is exactly when smart teams strike. How many times did we see Belichick deal a player at this exact moment? 

Drew Bledsoe for a 1st - Drafted Ty Waren, won 2 Super Bowls with him. 

Deion Branch for a 1st - Drafted Brandon Merriweather, went to a Super Bowl with him. 

Richard Seymour for a 1st - Drafted Nate Solder, won 2 Super Bowls with him. 

Logan Mankins for a 4th - Drafted Trey Flowers, won 2 Super Bowls with him.

Chandler Jones for a 2nd - Drafted Joe Thuney, won 2 Super Bowls with him.  

Jamie Collins for a 3rd - Flipped it for Brandin Cooks, went to a Super Bowl with him... THEN got Jamie Collins back lol. 

Everyone of those guys was a Pro Bowler in their prime or at very least close to it, every one played a more important position than safety, and every one netted a more important position at the time. 

But yes... you cant trade Pro Bowlers and be successful...

the bellichicken moves also show the value of having a winning team.  none of those guys had the same success with the teams they ended up on.

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1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Nick Mangold was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009 and 2010.

Darelle Revis was a 1st team All-Pro in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2014.

 

As for Adams, congrats to him, and congrats to us.  We either have a soon-to-be-extremely expensive Strong Safety who makes All-Pro teams, or we have draft picks with which to start rebuilding our offense. 

how could i have forgotten about revis so soon.  i thought it was mangold and brick.  but this exercise also shows the value of having a few all-pro/borderline all pro types on a team.  those 2009-2010 teams were pretty successful.

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6 hours ago, JiF said:

Jets fans - He sucks, doesnt make impact plays, isnt worth money, lets trade him!!!

Also Jets fans - this team cant draft, never finds All-Pro's, has no talent!!!

 

Quick!! Name the other safety currently active in the NFL that was drafted in the top 6 of the draft?

 

Who is nobody, Alex!

 

 

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7 minutes ago, rangerous said:

the bellichicken moves also show the value of having a winning team.  none of those guys had the same success with the teams they ended up on.

Shows the value of drafting correctly for whatever your system is. 

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6 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Quick!! What other safety currently active in the NFL that was drafted in the top 6 of the draft?

 

Who is nobody, Alex!

 

 

Not getting how this is relevant to Jamal being an All-Pro but cool.

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1 minute ago, JiF said:

Not getting how this is relevant to Jamal being an All-Pro but cool.

This is 100% the mike mccagnan way of thinking.  As long as I draft the 'best player' at a position it is good.

No it is not good because the 6th pick you use on jamal, 6th on leo and 3rd on quinnen are all on positions that in the end do not make you win.  If they did the jets would be winners not losers.

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