HELP WANTED: Browns Head Coach (We may be dysfunctional, but we're the only HC job left)

[Jet Nut]

6 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

To be fair, if you're a good enough coach you wont stop getting called for interviews, which means that knowing how to interview are essentially for those with "resumes that dont speak for themselves". 

 

Actually, it really doesn't work that way.  Things change fast.  Shotty Jr was a hot commodity, turned down teams and then poof, it's over.  

And as far as interviewing, it was said many times over, from Rex and his brother to Marvin Lewis back in the days before Cincy that they lost out on jobs because they were poor interviewers at the time.  Rex went to someone to clean up his look, image and interviewing skills.  

[Villain The Foe]

3 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Actually, it really doesn't work that way.  Things change fast.  Shotty Jr was a hot commodity, turned down teams and then poof, it's over.  

And as far as interviewing, it was said many times over, from Rex and his brother to Marvin Lewis back in the days before Cincy that they lost out on jobs because they were poor interviewers at the time.  Rex went to someone to clean up his look, image and interviewing skills.  

Actually it does work that way. Shotty Jr turned down interviews and ultimately left the league and his OC position for a year to coach college ball as an OC/QB coach.

He came back 1 year later as a QB coach, 2 years later he's once again an OC. With Russel Wilson continuing to play at an elite level, it's only a matter of time before Shotty gets another opportunity to turn down another HC interview.

 

[Dunnie]

Actually it does work that way. Shotty Jr turned down interviews and ultimately left the league and his OC position for a year to coach college ball as an OC/QB coach.
He came back 1 year later as a QB coach, 2 years later he's once again an OC. With Russel Wilson continuing to play at an elite level, it's only a matter of time before Shotty gets another opportunity to turn down another HC interview.
 

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[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

Actually it does work that way. Shotty Jr turned down interviews and ultimately left the league and his OC position for a year to coach college ball as an OC/QB coach.

He came back 1 year later as a QB coach, 2 years later he's once again an OC. With Russel Wilson continuing to play at an elite level, it's only a matter of time before Shotty gets another opportunity to turn down another HC interview.

 

OK, youre right, going out on interviews doesn't help, turning everyone down is a sure fire way to lifetime employment.  

I don't get how all those assistant jobs were better than taking the HC job in Miami with the fins. 

[Jets723]

On 1/12/2020 at 9:46 AM, Jet Life said:

It’s the worst job in the NFL, not shocked nobody took the job yet 

Can’t argue with you there ? 

[Philc1]

7 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

 

If you're talking in regards of being an OC, he didnt have these guys for two seasons. He was named Interim OC on December 11th with 3 games left in the season. He went 2-1 in those last the games. He was then hired officially as the new OC during that offseason.

He also has a playoff win as well. The Vikings beat the Saints this year to get to the divisional round. 

Let's be fair.

Mike McCarthy, Josh McDaniels, Jim Schwartz, Robert Saleh, Eric Bieniemy and Greg Roman all interviewed to coach Baker. 

Among all these men are a total of 9 SB championships. 

 

 

McDaniels gets coffee for Brady, yay

 

 

Btw, your boy Baker Mayfield sucks against something called a creeper blitz.  It killed him all season.  That’s how teams shut him down completely this year and will continue to do so because he’s mentally weak and panics

 

[14 in Green]

On 1/9/2020 at 1:33 PM, TNJet said:

God blessed the Jets on the 2018 nfl draft.

Yes.

Things have gone swimmingly ever since!

[Jets723]

11 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

McDaniels gets coffee for Brady, yay

 

 

Btw, your boy Baker Mayfield sucks against something called a creeper blitz.  It killed him all season.  That’s how teams shut him down completely this year and will continue to do so because he’s mentally weak and panics

 

Hey at least he has those commercials..for now ? 

[14 in Green]

On 1/10/2020 at 10:34 PM, Philc1 said:

Looking like Lamar and Sam are the only good QBs from that draft class

I see what you did here.

You took the lowest ranked QB of the 4, and magically made him a good QB. Bravo!!!

[Villain The Foe]

5 hours ago, Philc1 said:

McDaniels gets coffee for Brady, yay

 

 

Btw, your boy Baker Mayfield sucks against something called a creeper blitz.  It killed him all season.  That’s how teams shut him down completely this year and will continue to do so because he’s mentally weak and panics

 

The only thing weak is this weak response.

You're out here acting like good coaches are not looking to coach Bakery and the Browns, and that's not true. 

And good coaches know how to scheme against a blitz that bad coaches continue to let happen. But hey, it isnt like you've watched the games anyway, as you probably read that or heard it in some video.

"Bakery panics". How would you know? You never seen Baker panic because you don't watch the games. 

Lol

 

[Villain The Foe]

8 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

OK, youre right, going out on interviews doesn't help,

 

To be fair, I said none of this ^^^^^. That's what you perceived but not at all what was said.

Here's what I said, again. 

14 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

To be fair, if you're a good enough coach you wont stop getting called for interviews, which means that knowing how to interview are essentially for those with "resumes that dont speak for themselves". 

 

Nowhere in this does it say "going on interviews doesnt help" given that it helps you get a job that you're seeking. However, I went further in depth regarding this based on the person being interviewed. Let me use your own words for my example.

You said: "And as far as interviewing, it was said many times over, from Rex and his brother to Marvin Lewis back in the days before Cincy that they lost out on jobs because they were poor interviewers at the time.  Rex went to someone to clean up his look, image and interviewing skills." Do you know why Rex, his Brother and Marvin had to do this? Because their Resume's dont speak for themselves. None of these coaches have won anything, so they have to make sure that they come with it during the interview process. Andy Reid can go to an interview in one of his hawaiian shirts or Bill Belichick in his cut-off hoodie with his pencil behind his ear and secure a HC position, because of their resumes. However, before Bill/Andy built those resumes, I bet they had to be ultra Kick-ass in their interviews. Why? Because they're selling themselves, since they didnt have established resumes that can sell their ability. 

 

So like I said, good coaches will continue to receive calls while unknown/unestablished coaches better be on point with their interview when they do get that call since they dont have a resume that can speak on behalf of their ability. 

What's so hard to understand here?

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turning everyone down is a sure fire way to lifetime employment.  

"lifetime employment" doesn't come in the form of taking every head coaching interview offered. Your own example in Shotty proves that. He turned down 2 HC interviews that I know of, yet since doing so has been employed in some capacity within football, not missing any time since 1997.

Here's an even better example. Jon Gruden decided not to entertain any HC opportunities for an entire decade. Then he came back to coaching only to sign the most lucrative HC contract in NFL history, a 10 year 100 million dollar coaching deal....as a Head Coach, in 2018!

How quickly do folks forget. Why was Gruden able to do this? Because he's viewed as a great coach. Can Shotty do this? No. Why? Because he's not viewed as a great coach. In otherwords he's going to have to have a KICK ASS interview when the time comes. 

We all know that it wasnt Grudens immaculate interview presentation that got him that job and that contract, it was his coaching resume. 

This Jon Gruden example right here completely destroys your overall position, but moving on...

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I don't get how all those assistant jobs were better than taking the HC job in Miami with the fins. 

Maybe folks see their overall health, stress levels and wellbeing as being more important to them than being a HC. Maybe they didnt see that move as being a good one for them at that time. Who knows??? You're in absolutely no position to claim what is better since you've never worked for the NFL in any of these capacities, let alone been in a position to be called for an interview in order to reject it. You can't directly speak on behalf of anything you have no actual clue about. Shotty declined two interviews, and I doubt that he did so because he thought that they would be "so beneficial" that it would be unfair to be winning that much in life. Maybe, just maybe, the opportunity wasnt the right one. ?

 

 

[Villain The Foe]

9 hours ago, Jets723 said:

Hey at least he has those commercials..for now ? 

Those were a ton of commercials lol

[Philc1]

9 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

The only thing weak is this weak response.

You're out here acting like good coaches are not looking to coach Bakery and the Browns, and that's not true. 

And good coaches know how to scheme against a blitz that bad coaches continue to let happen. But hey, it isnt like you've watched the games anyway, as you probably read that or heard it in some video.

"Bakery panics". How would you know? You never seen Baker panic because you don't watch the games. 

Lol

 

Baker can’t see blitzes accurately.  He’s very easy to fool with fake blitzes and then sending the extra rusher back in coverage to the flats.  It’s also very easy to disguise blitzes with him

 

Also, since Baker never had to make multiple reads in college you fluster him when you take away his first read.  Defenses bracket covered OBJ all year 

it’s actually a miracle the browns got to 6 wins it just goes to show how much talent they had on defense and at skill positions 

good coaching can only do so much if a QB can’t read defenses pre snap effectively they are toast in the nfl

 

 

[Villain The Foe]

14 hours ago, Philc1 said:

McDaniels gets coffee for Brady, yay

 

 

Btw, your boy Baker Mayfield sucks against something called a creeper blitz.  It killed him all season.  That’s how teams shut him down completely this year and will continue to do so because he’s mentally weak and panics

 

 

7 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Baker can’t see blitzes accurately.  He’s very easy to fool with fake blitzes and then sending the extra rusher back in coverage to the flats.  It’s also very easy to disguise blitzes with him

 

Also, since Baker never had to make multiple reads in college you fluster him when you take away his first read.  Defenses bracket covered OBJ all year 

it’s actually a miracle the browns got to 6 wins it just goes to show how much talent they had on defense and at skill positions 

good coaching can only do so much if a QB can’t read defenses pre snap effectively they are toast in the nfl

 

 

Look, I understand that you finally came across this video on Youtube and have the need over the past 24 hours to now talk about the creeper blitz and how Mayfield couldnt identify it. We understand. 

For those who havent seen it...This is this is the video posted back in October that Phil finally seen a few days ago.