Trading Up

[bostonmajet]

I think we should trade up to #6 and draft a DL

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, bostonmajet said:

I think we should trade up to #6 and draft a DL

Get out

[redlichtie]

13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The difference between Jamal Adams and a cheap free agent Safety (there are a lot of decent ones available this offseason, see below) is not nearly as vast as the difference between Chuma Edoga/Brandon Shell and a talented young RT, or the difference between Brian Winters and a talented young Guard, or the difference between Jonatthan Harrison and a talented young Center.  We also can, and should, do better than Kelvin Beachum at LT (he turns 31 this summer, by the way).  

No matter how good Jamal is, he's not as important to the defense as upgrades on the OL will be to Darnold and the Offense.  And the minute you decide not to trade Jamal when the timing is right, you're moving towards paying him.  Try upgrading positions of importance when you're paying Mosley $17.5M per AND Adams over $15M per.  

 

Free Agent Safeties:

 

Player	Pos.	2019 Team	2020 Team	Type	Snaps	Age	Current APY	Guarantees
Rodney McLeod	S	Eagles		UFA	99.8%	30	$4,000,000	$1,500,000
Anthony Harris	S	Vikings		UFA	83.1%	28	$3,095,000	$0
Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix	S	Bears		UFA	99.4%	28	$3,000,000	$500,000
Karl Joseph	S	Raiders		UFA	55.4%	27	$2,971,079	$11,884,316
Clayton Geathers	S	Colts		UFA	51%	27	$2,750,000	$1,250,000
Nate Ebner	S	Patriots		UFA	0%	32	$2,500,000	$1,200,000
Cody Davis	S	Jaguars		UFA	5.3%	31	$2,500,000	$2,500,000
Tre Boston	S	Panthers		UFA	100%	28	$2,125,000	$500,000
Jordan Lucas	S	Chiefs		UFA	3.7%	27	$2,025,000	$0
Adrian Phillips	S	Chargers		UFA	28.7%	28	$2,000,000	$1,250,000
Michael Thomas	S	Giants		UFA	26.9%	31	$2,000,000	$1,500,000
Damarious Randall	S	Browns		UFA	67.2%	28	$1,978,932	$6,401,310
Jeff Heath	S	Cowboys		UFA	66.6%	29	$1,917,750	$1,800,000
Rontez Miles	S	Jets		UFA	1.9%	32	$1,907,000	$0
Anthony Levine	S	Ravens		UFA	0%	33	$1,400,000	$1,300,000
Akeem King	S	Seahawks		UFA	24.8%	28	$1,400,000	$400,000
Walt Aikens	S	Dolphins		UFA	9.2%	29	$1,350,000	$1,300,000
Andrew Sendejo	S	Vikings		UFA	37.2%	33	$1,300,000	$500,000
Tavon Wilson	S	Lions		UFA	73.4%	30	$1,200,000	$250,000
Jahleel Addae	S	Texans		UFA	48.8%	30	$1,105,000	$150,000
Mike Adams	S	Texans		UFA	6.3%	39	$1,090,000	$0
Sean Davis	S	Steelers		UFA	5%	27	$1,021,742	$2,130,957
Vonn Bell	S	Saints		UFA	82.5%	26	$993,075	$1,825,944
Darian Stewart	S	Buccaneers		UFA	14.7%	32	$930,000	$0
Kurt Coleman	S	Bills		UFA	6.7%	32	$930,000	$0
Josh Shaw	S	Cardinals		UFA	0%	28	$895,000	$45,000
Kemal Ishmael	S	Falcons		UFA	27.3%	29	$895,000	$90,000
J.J. Wilcox	S	Falcons		UFA	0%	29	$895,000	$200,000
Johnathan Cyprien	S	Falcons		UFA	3.7%	30	$895,000	$275,000
Jaylen Watkins	S	Chargers		UFA	31%	28	$835,000	$0
Curtis Riley	S	Raiders		UFA	26.6%	28	$810,000	$165,000
Brynden Trawick	S	Ravens		UFA	1.2%	31	$805,000	$0
D.J. Swearinger	S	Saints		UFA	44.4%	29	$805,000	$0

I disagree, but that’s ok.

I just think people are seriously underestimating the value of Adams (the whole, ‘he doesn’t play a premium position’ argument is a massive red herring imho) and overestimating the level to which any of the guys on that list can replace Adams. 

It’s not a premium position until  you have to trot Eric Smith, Dawan Landry, Dwight Lowery, Yeremiah Bell, Rontez Miles, Brodney Pool, Abram Elam, Jon McGraw or Damien Robinson our there

just my opinion

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, redlichtie said:

It’s not a premium position until  you have to trot Eric Smith, Dawan Landry, Dwight Lowery, Yeremiah Bell, Rontez Miles, Brodney Pool, Abram Elam, Jon McGraw or Damien Robinson our there

just my opinion

 

Sure, but its not automatic that we'd go from Jamal to a terrible replacement Safety. 

Besides, we still have Marcus Maye.  Even if we can't find a particularly good SS to replace Jamal we wouldn't be lost back there. 

We haven't even been using Adams as a traditional Safety anyways. 

[redlichtie]

13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Sure, but its not automatic that we'd go from Jamal to a terrible replacement Safety. 

Besides, we still have Marcus Maye.  Even if we can't find a particularly good SS to replace Jamal we wouldn't be lost back there. 

We haven't even been using Adams as a traditional Safety anyways. 

No agreed, it’s not a given, but as he’s one of the top 3 safeties in the league I’d argue it’s highly unlikely.

If we got an insane offer for him such as two 1st rounders including a top 5 pick this year then maybe I consider it but I highly doubt that’s happening.

Maye is good yes agreed but I don’t see this as addition but subtraction

your last point is, if anything, a good reason why we should keep him. It’s precisely because he’s such a versatile weapon that he’s worth more to us than I think people appreciate.

No player is Untradeable and JD is absolutely right to listen to any offers but I just think there’s a lot of wishful thinking going on here about how easy it is to replace a player as good as Adams

 

 

[More Cowbell]

8 hours ago, SR24 said:

It's no secret we need an OT and as these mock drafts keep flying out the one thing I'm noticing is how far apart the Tier 1 OT's (Wills,Thomas and Wirfs) are from the Tier 2 OT's. Based on who's ahead of us I'd say 5 teams are in the mix for the 3 OTs (DET,CLE,NYG,JAX and ARI)  Having said that would you trade our #11 and #79 to Arizona for #8? Or the same trade to Jax but we'd receieve a later pick to get #9. Our chance at an OT greatly increases but if we somehow miss out we should have Jeudy or Lamb there as well.  

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

I used this to make the trade 

Edit- I personally wouldn't make this trade before yall start flaming me lol but I think it's a fair question given our needs and the way the OL talent in the draft is starting to come together

We also need a WR and Edge. I'd be fine with either of those as well as a OT in the first.  No point in trading up