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It could be a tough year to find an upgrade for Harrison.  Just being honest.  There isn't a great crop of Center prospects in the Draft.  Tyler Biadasz is the highest rated and he is barely worthy of using a late 1st Round pick on.  He will be overdrafted (taken earlier than he should) because there aren't many of these guys.  In later rounds there are decent prospects but all have faults.  These are Drafttek's top Center prospects currently.  I might have them ordered a little differently and move some higher or lower, but this essentially the pool of Draft candidates....(Remember that Jets pick 11, 48, 68, 79, 110, 140, 171, 202....assuming they don't trade out of those spots)

 

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I don't know what the Free Agent options are at Center.  We could unfortunately be looking at upgrading around Harrison (both OG spots) in order to solidify the interior and hope that better Guard play helps Harrison perform better in the middle.

One thing is for sure though, Joe Douglas knows that Center is a sore spot.  He even tried to upgrade Harrison by luring Ryan Kalil out of retirement.  So I do think it will be addresses in some way, shape or form this offseason.  Remember that Joe D was spoiled in having Jason Kelce at Center in Philly....so he's not used to seeing the kind of play we've been getting with the Jets.

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30 minutes ago, JetsLife said:

Worked for Parcells in '98 when he made future HOFer Kevin Mawae the highest-paid center in history at the time.

Worked for the '19 Bills when they signed Morse. Didn't work for Maccagnan's '19 Jets when he stood pat with Harrison, leaving Douglas to scramble for Kalil.

Recently read Baltimore's center was a standout earlier this season. Unsure what he's done since, but assume it's continued. If so undoubtedly a factor in Baltimore's formidable ground attack & offense.

Center play is critical to good offense - get it done JD!

100% agreed. It's also the trademark of a good NYJ team. The Jets have always had dominant Center play. Until that sh*tbag Mac came around and decided he didn't give a sh*t about the OL. 

But JD, I firmly believe is a guy that believes in building a team from the OL out. I'd be willing to bet Center might be the very highest priority for Douglas this off-season.

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9 minutes ago, KINGDIRK said:

Agree that he was awful. But a gigantic flop? Um, what was JD supposed to do since he was hired after the draft and free agency? 

Start Harrison 

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24 minutes ago, Pac said:

Kalil was horrific.  It was a case where JD and Gase outsmarted themselves and paid huge money to a player demonstrably worse than the one we had on the roster.

I'm optimistic but their first move at fixing the line was a gigantic flop.

True. But I still like the job JD did considering how limited his options were, besides Kalil? I really liked the players JD added during the season. So while he may have missed badly when signing Kalil, I still think he'll be a guy that understands the importance of OL.

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47 minutes ago, JetsLife said:

Didn't work for Maccagnan's '19 Jets when he stood pat with Harrison, leaving Douglas to scramble for Kalil.

He didn’t need to scramble for Khalil. As high as I was on JD during the GM search and even now, as high as I am on him that he can be the right guy, he threw money away on Khalil for nothing. I understood his thought process behind it, he doesn’t know Harrison well, he knows Khalil is a good character and WAS a nice player, he wanted to give Darnold another “McCown” personality to be around. It didn’t work though and he didn’t necessarily have to scramble to find anyone. He just thought he did, because when the smoke settled, Harrison was still the best option just as he was last year with Bowles. 

They should look to retain Harrison even if he’s just depth from this point forward or a starter until “said rookie center” get his feet under him.

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12 hours ago, Pac said:

Kalil was horrific.  It was a case where JD and Gase outsmarted themselves and paid huge money to a player demonstrably worse than the one we had on the roster.

I'm optimistic but their first move at fixing the line was a gigantic flop.

No one was outsmarted, JD was scrambling, trying to make up for Maccs ignoring the position.  

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16 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

It could be a tough year to find an upgrade for Harrison.  Just being honest.  There isn't a great crop of Center prospects in the Draft.  Tyler Biadasz is the highest rated and he is barely worthy of using a late 1st Round pick on.  He will be overdrafted (taken earlier than he should) because there aren't many of these guys.  In later rounds there are decent prospects but all have faults.  These are Drafttek's top Center prospects currently.  I might have them ordered a little differently and move some higher or lower, but this essentially the pool of Draft candidates....(Remember that Jets pick 11, 48, 68, 79, 110, 140, 171, 202....assuming they don't trade out of those spots)

 

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I don't know what the Free Agent options are at Center.  We could unfortunately be looking at upgrading around Harrison (both OG spots) in order to solidify the interior and hope that better Guard play helps Harrison perform better in the middle.

One thing is for sure though, Joe Douglas knows that Center is a sore spot.  He even tried to upgrade Harrison by luring Ryan Kalil out of retirement.  So I do think it will be addresses in some way, shape or form this offseason.  Remember that Joe D was spoiled in having Jason Kelce at Center in Philly....so he's not used to seeing the kind of play we've been getting with the Jets.

I think the point is are any,or all, of these guys better than Harrison? If JD thinks so, draft one. Harrison is average, at best, and I think I’m being generous here.

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We had 20ish years of dominance at Center and in that time 0 SB appearances.  Let’s just get adequate and focus resources elsewhere.

I love Mangold, but trading Abraham for him was a disaster.

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1 hour ago, Pac said:

Kalil was horrific.  It was a case where JD and Gase outsmarted themselves and paid huge money to a player demonstrably worse than the one we had on the roster.

I'm optimistic but their first move at fixing the line was a gigantic flop.

Again....Shopping for an All-pro at a garage sale.

Lets see what he does with a F/A period and a draft, then we can talk.

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8 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

We had 20ish years of dominance at Center and in that time 0 SB appearances.  Let’s just get adequate and focus resources elsewhere.

I love Mangold, but trading Abraham for him was a disaster.

This might be the most incorrect take I have ever seen.

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46 minutes ago, NYJ1 said:

True. But I still like the job JD did considering how limited his options were, besides Kalil? I really liked the players JD added during the season. So while he may have missed badly when signing Kalil, I still think he'll be a guy that understands the importance of OL.

He didn’t do a good job at all.  I agree that I liked the thought, that he understood the line was awful and tried to do something...

It was a bad signing...A for effort but the execution failed.

With that said, it leaves me confident he gets it and serious attention will be paid to the OL.

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1 hour ago, Pac said:

Kalil was horrific.  It was a case where JD and Gase outsmarted themselves and paid huge money to a player demonstrably worse than the one we had on the roster.

I'm optimistic but their first move at fixing the line was a gigantic flop.

Honestly I don't really blame JD for this move. We should have signed one of the 2 that hit FA or took one in the draft and we sat on our thumb. Douglas flipped over a rock and gave it a shot, can't ask for much more than that given the previous events.

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Between Biadasz, Cesar Ruiz,  Henessey, Nick Martin, etc we should be able to find a center in the 2nd-4th round who can either start right away if he impresses or work behind Harrison for a year, get stronger and hopefully hold down the position going forward.  

I also wouldn't mind looking at Glasgow as a FA to potentially play center and draft a RG. 

Looking back, it is mind boggling how Mac had such a need at the position along with a ton of cap space and had Ryan Jensen playing at an elite level who essentially said he was taking whoever offered him the most money and let him sign in Tampa.  I honestly wonder what on earth he thought about in general.  When you have a need, cap space and a good young player available just do it.  

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Just remember. Offensive genius Adam Gase didn’t bench Kalil until he got hurt. And the line was better instantly. Same with Winters. 

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Put Badass and Dick Hammer’s grandson together! 

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22 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

This might be the most incorrect take I have ever seen.

Pass rushers are more valuable than centers, sorry if you don’t like that.  Abraham had multiple 10+ sack seasons after we traded him.  We haven’t had anyone close to that in the almost 15 years since.  Meanwhile, quality centers are found everywhere in the draft and free agency.  Again, sorry if reality is inconvenient.

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Gonna be a long off season with 5,287 threads about oline lol

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1 hour ago, Pac said:

Kalil was horrific.  It was a case where JD and Gase outsmarted themselves and paid huge money to a player demonstrably worse than the one we had on the roster.

I'm optimistic but their first move at fixing the line was a gigantic flop.

It was the only thing available ....they gave it a shot. Then they had to wait till the guy got used to the offense then they realized he was a has been pile of crap ...sh*t happens

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19 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

He didn’t do a good job at all.  I agree that I liked the thought, that he understood the line was awful and tried to do something...

It was a bad signing...A for effort but the execution failed.

With that said, it leaves me confident he gets it and serious attention will be paid to the OL.

I'm talking about the job he did overall. The Jets are a more talented team now after JD made additions all over the roster. 

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6 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Pass rushers are more valuable than centers, sorry if you don’t like that.  Abraham had multiple 10+ sack seasons after we traded him.  We haven’t had anyone close to that in the almost 15 years since.  Again, sorry if reality is inconvenient.

We made 2 AFC title games on the strength of that OL.

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40 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

We had 20ish years of dominance at Center and in that time 0 SB appearances.  Let’s just get adequate and focus resources elsewhere.

I love Mangold, but trading Abraham for him was a disaster.

The Jets were in the playoffs what, 6 times when they had Mangold or Mawae (3 AFC title games)? ...0 times without them.  Not only that, we're looking at 4 - 7ish win seasons without good Center play.  There's no direct correlation but I do think it's an important factor.  LT (for a right-handed QB) and Center are the two most important positions on the OLine.....we are below average in both though spots and even less talented in one or two others.

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6 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Pass rushers are more valuable than centers, sorry if you don’t like that.  Abraham had multiple 10+ sack seasons after we traded him.  We haven’t had anyone close to that in the almost 15 years since.  Meanwhile, quality centers are found everywhere in the draft and free agency.  Again, sorry if reality is inconvenient.

why are you even comparing the two ? Pass Rushers are nice but I would much rather draft linebackers that can develop into pass rushers than take chances on pass rush specialists that are always a crap shoot and if they don't get to the passer then you are stuck with a guy that can't even play the LB position. If we were in a 4-3 its easier to take the chance but in a 3-4 I would much rather just stock up on great LB'ers and the sacks will come  and can come from any point on the field. A good d coordinator will get pressure on the QB a piss poor center can disrupt the entire OL. So we see zero stats from a center but they are the most important part of the OL usually calling out protections and basically running the show. Also how Important will that be for Darnold ? If I had to choose making things better for Darnold or taking a chance on a pass rusher I would make the Darnold call every time

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19 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

We made 2 AFC title games on the strength of that OL.

Some could also argue we made on the strength of that defense as well pressuring the QB

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2 hours ago, JetsLife said:

Worked for Parcells in '98 when he made future HOFer Kevin Mawae the highest-paid center in history at the time.

Worked for the '19 Bills when they signed Morse. Didn't work for Maccagnan's '19 Jets when he stood pat with Harrison, leaving Douglas to scramble for Kalil.

Recently read Baltimore's center was a standout earlier this season. Unsure what he's done since, but assume it's continued. If so undoubtedly a factor in Baltimore's formidable ground attack & offense.

Center play is critical to good offense - get it done JD!

Someone on Jetnation said it, that's where I heard it but I'm sure it is something others have said.

But basically people say don't overpay for a center untill you need one then you want to pay whatever it takes.

I think it's true for the whole line. You got to draft a line so your not stuck paying for it, but in our situation we should def pay for at least one

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1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

No one was outsmarted, JD was scrambling, trying to make up for Maccs ignoring the position.  A

He scrambled himself into a much worse center than the ignoring Macc left. 

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1 hour ago, bla bla bla said:

Honestly I don't really blame JD for this move. We should have signed one of the 2 that hit FA or took one in the draft and we sat on our thumb. Douglas flipped over a rock and gave it a shot, can't ask for much more than that given the previous events.

I don't necessarily blame him for trying.  Where I think they failed is grossly overpaying and refusing to bench him when it was clear as day that he was playing like sh-t.

It makes you wonder if this regime will make the classic mistake of playing the higher drafted or higher paid players even though the backups are better.

Sure they benched Tru but that was all Williams.  Gase cedes complete control to him on that side of the ball.

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2 hours ago, Pac said:

Kalil was horrific.  It was a case where JD and Gase outsmarted themselves and paid huge money to a player demonstrably worse than the one we had on the roster.

I'm optimistic but their first move at fixing the line was a gigantic flop.

This was all JD and he took a flyer because it was the only option he had at that point in the season. JD and the rest of the football world knew just how bad the Jets O line and center was. Totally worth the gamble and the play of the Jets OL last season proved that.

Kalil had retired and couldn't work himself back into NFL shape and he played so badly he couldn't beat out Harrison who wouldn't start on any other team.

All the Jets lost was $$$$, no draft picks.

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5 minutes ago, Pac said:

He scrambled himself into a much worse center than the ignoring Macc left. 

And we know he took a chance with a former pro bowl C and it didn't work out.  So, happens.  Butt fumble call you want. 

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49 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

We made 2 AFC title games on the strength of that OL.

Cool.  We lost both.  20 years of center dominance and that’s what we have to show for it.

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Just now, TeddEY said:

Cool.  We lost both.  20 years of center dominance and that’s what we have to show for it.

What did the Falcons show with Abraham?

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50 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

The Jets were in the playoffs what, 6 times when they had Mangold or Mawae (3 AFC title games)? ...0 times without them.  Not only that, we're looking at 4 - 7ish win seasons without good Center play.  There's no direct correlation but I do think it's an important factor.  LT (for a right-handed QB) and Center are the two most important positions on the OLine.....we are below average in both though spots and even less talented in one or two others.

There are more choices than best center in the league and complete neglect of the line.

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