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Ryan Tannehill's recent success is mostly due to....

Ryan Tannehill's recent success is mostly due to...  

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  1. 1. Ryan Tannehill's success is mostly due to...

    • Tannehill getting much better coaching, being away from Adam Gase and letting his real talent emerge
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    • Being surrounded by a great team, Derrick Henry setting rushing records, Tannehill being asked to manage games
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Too many Tannehill threads....but we do need a poll.

What is Tannehill's recent success MOST due to?

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Run game. It's a lot easier to look good at QB when you win 2 playoff games throwing 14, 15 times a game for under a hundred yards while putting up 20+ points.

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its mostly the second, yet he has also raised his game to the highest level its been since hes been in the NFL.

particularly deadly deep.

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its mostly the second, yet he has also raised his game to the highest level its been since hes been in the NFL.
particularly deadly deep.
I think when he was not asked to do too much, and they could play somewhat conservatively in the pass game, he was fine in Miami. Those times were few and far between, but they were the moments when Miami thought they had their QB.

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1 minute ago, jetstream23 said:

160 yards passing in 1 Game would be considered a horrible QB performance.

Tannehill has COMBINED for 160 yards passing in 2 playoff games and won them both.

How does that happen?  Derrick Henry is how that happens.  Tannehill is a passenger on the Titans playoff bus, he's not driving it.  That's not even Mark Sanchez playoff caliber work from 2009-2011.

making too much sense.  conversely when ingram went down so did the ravens run game.

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Dude throws for 200 yards in 2 playoff wins, not exactly tearing up the league without gase

to Vrabels credit he changed the offense for Tannehill - gase seems to need players to change for his system

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Obviously there is no one definitive answer to this, as it certainly lies somewhere in the middle.

That being said, his recent success is much more due to being the beneficiary of a great run game going through a historic stretch.

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He gets credit for taking advantage of an opportunity and playing smart, efficient and winning 

 

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39 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Too many Tannehill threads....but we do need a poll.

What is Tannehill's recent success MOST due to?

Ummm, he matured and got healthy?

He came out of college having only been a QB for 2 seasons, before that he played WR.   His last few years in Miami, when healthy, he put up decent numbers.   He was on a crap team, and was still learning to be a QB.

Now, he is on a very solid team, and is not being asked to carry the load, plus he has matured as a player.  Honestly, he kind of reminds me of Alex Smith, someone who took a while to develop and became a good QB, and an excellent game manager.

Ryan.JPG

His last 3 years in Miami, when healthy, he completed about 65% of his passes, with a 2-1 touchdown to int. ratio.   That's not bad numbers on a crap team.

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I barely watched him in Miami so I didn’t know his game. Watching his highlights all I can say is wow when I see his rifle arm combined with accuracy. Unrecognizable. And this is since they’ve gone on their run, not just the last two games. 

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The focus is on Henry right now but the reason Tennessee made the playoffs was due to the resurgence of Tannehill.

With Henry, with their defense, with their oline they were something like 2-4 and going exactly no where until the QB change was made.

They had a great TE and a great rookie WR that were not doing a lot until Tannehill became the starter.

Even the last game where Henry dominated Tenn scored two tds early via the pass, not settling for FGs.

The next QB Adam Gase makes look good will be the first.

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I think getting away from being the 8th pick and the pressure that comes with that helped as well.

Interesting article here.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001067003/article/how-titans-traded-for-ryan-tannehill-and-what-it-means

 

 

When the 2018 season ended, Miami Dolphins officials said publicly that they were still evaluating the quarterback position and how it related to former starter Ryan Tannehill. But with Tannehill not hearing from new head coach Brian Flores or general manager Chris Grier, the answer was obvious. By that point, Tannehill and his agent Pat Dye had begun doing their research.

"We were proactively looking at situations around the league and what we thought represented the best opportunity to get on the field," Dye, of SportsTrust Advisors, said this week. "It didn't matter if it was on planet Mars, he wanted the opportunity to be a starter."

Now, Tannehill will start for the Tennessee Titans against the Los Angeles Chargers, his first in place of the benched Marcus Mariota. But back then?

There just weren't many spots. The Denver Broncos traded for Joe Flacco. The Washington Redskins traded for Case Keenum. Everyone knew the Jacksonville Jaguars were expected to sign Nick Foles. Miami was looking for a fresh start, but seemed intent on trading, not cutting, Tannehill; it was complicated.

What Tannehill was looking for was this: A place where the starter was either injured or vulnerable, a team willing to trade for him, a Dolphins organization that would pay a chunk of the contract, and a system that benefited him.

 

"Jon Robinson the [Titans] GM seemed intrigued," Dye said, "But he wasn't over the top. You could just tell he liked the player and how he would fit."

Dye and Tannehill had identified Tennessee because Mariota had not made it through a season injury-free and because his performance had not earned a multi-year extension. Obviously, the organization didn't seen what they needed to see.

From the Titans' perspective, as one source explained, this was all about Mariota's injury history, not performance. If Mariota got hurt, who could step in and do more than just function? They wanted a high-level backup and considered everyone. The day before Tannehill was traded, the move became easier because Teddy Bridgewater re-signed with the New Orleans Saints.

When Robinson talked to Grier, the talks moved quickly. The two sides looked at several backup QB deals in the past, Miami was looking for either a third- or a fourth-round draft pick and was willing to pay some of Tannehill's salary. Eventually, they settled on Tannehill and a sixth for the Dolphins' fourth and seventh.

Then came the salary. No one was going to honor his original deal of more than $17 million, but the two sides did discuss a two-year deal at first. That became too complicated and in 24 hours, they had a trade with a reworked one-year deal.

The contract ended up as a one-year, $7 million deal with the Dolphins paying a $5 million signing bonus and Tennessee covering the rest. Based on incentives, it can be worth up to $12 million-plus, and here is how:

»  $250K in a roster bonus if he's on the 46-man roster for 13 games.

»  $100K bonus for being named a starter or reserve for the Pro Bowl.

»  $250K for a passer rating of 92.8 with a minimum of 224 attempts. This can become $500K with a 94.0 rating, $750K with a 95.0 rating and $1 million with a rating of better than 96.0.

»  $500K with 2,250 passing yards. This escalates to $750K with 2,750 passing yards and becomes $1 million if he eclipses 3,000.

»  $250K with 18 passing TDs, but that becomes $500K with 20 TD passes, $750K with 23 passing TDs, and $1 million with 25 passing TDs.

»  $100,000 for each game during the season that he participates more than 50 percent of the plays (up to $1.8 million total awards) provided his team achieves statistical improvements in categories such as touchdowns, total offense, net yards, sacks allowed, etc compared to the 2016 season. He can also earn this with individual improvements in categories such as TDs, completion percentage, etc.

» $25K per game that the team wins and he participates more than 50 percent, with the maximum award being $400K.

Meanwhile, the Titans have Mariota as the backup now, and if teams call to try to trade for him, they'd listen -- like any other player. But that seems far-fetched based on his salary of $20.9 million, so it seems he'll be the backup and be ready. As for Tannehill?

"It looks like we made the right decision and the plan is working," Dye said. "But Ryan will be the first to tell you, he's got to go do it."

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Tannehill was over .500 with Gase on bad Miami teams

He threw for almost 300 yards in his one playoff game with Gase and the Dolphins vs a really tough Pitt defense.

He wasn't bad when healthy

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27 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Derrick Henry. He's half Clydesdale, half cyborg.

 He's a Clyborg.

This nickname needs to stick omg

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This nickname needs to stick omg
I think they call him Tractorcito or something.
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18 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Tannehill was over .500 with Gase on bad Miami teams

He threw for almost 300 yards in his one playoff game with Gase and the Dolphins vs a really tough Pitt defense.

He wasn't bad when healthy

Interesting. 300 yards in a playoff game under Gase but 88 in a game under Vrabel last night, 72 in the playoff game last week?

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is this even debatable? If we had that line, that much time to throw and that kind of rb then we would be in the playoffs too....

 

oh wait we did with the Sanchize.

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If it's all related to the people around him, then why did Mariota suck so bad

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If it's all related to the people around him, then why did Mariota suck so bad
It's not. Hes solid - he completes the passes they need him to. He's not often the reason they win, but unlike Mariota, he's not the reason they lose.
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2 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Too many Tannehill threads....but we do need a poll.

What is Tannehill's recent success MOST due to?

See this is an impossible poll question to answer.  There is no data to look at with Tannehill as a QB without a great team, and without Gase.

I also don’t believe the Titans are this superior talented team when the Dolphins had 4 1st round picks on the Oline, Parker, Landry, Drake, Stills.

So yeah it’s coaching 100%.

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1 hour ago, Lupz27 said:

I also don’t believe the Titans are this superior talented team when the Dolphins had 4 1st round picks on the Oline, Parker, Landry, Drake, Stills.

So yeah it’s coaching 100%

Faulty logic here: just because someone is drafted in the 1st round doesn't AUTOMATICALLY make them good. 

Sometimes, a player matures at his own pace. I'll say this for Tannehill, most QBs who "fail" at their first team don't succeed at his level ever. 

the desire to blame Gase seems pathological with some. I mean, Bill Cowher's in the HoF. For what? Longevity. And having enough good players to achieve longevity. I think you give Todd Bowles an OL and some weapons and he's a winning coach, at least he was that first year. 

Gase seemingly knows how to get out of the way of Williams and the offense without an OL hasn't ruined Sam Darnold. The team actually won 7 games, more than previous teams. And I'll also say I don't expect him to f*ck up, which is something I can't say about Bowles or Ryan after 2010. I just don't get the off-the-charts negativity.

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Obviously he is healthy and not asked to carry the team all the time. Hes not a horrible QB when healthy, and the Titans O-line is quite good. Having Henry and that line is quite the situation.

Mariota evidently isnt that good.

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72 and 82 yards passing indicates nothing other than a game manager.

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4 hours ago, isired said:

Run game. It's a lot easier to look good at QB when you win 2 playoff games throwing 14, 15 times a game for under a hundred yards while putting up 20+ points.

He plays the whole season, he throws for 4400 yards,  35 tds and 9 int . Easy to look good when you do that.

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1 minute ago, NYJ1 said:

72 and 82 yards passing indicates nothing other than a game manager.

Hey, did you ever check out this thing the NFL does from September to December? They call it -now get this- the REGULAR season. Its how they choose who gets to go to the playoffses . Crazy right? And you thought it was a raffle. 

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1 minute ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Hey, did you ever check out this thing the NFL does from September to December? They call it -now get this- the REGULAR season. Its how they choose who gets to go to the playoffses . Crazy right? And you thought it was a raffle. 

Once again so maybe those stuck in 1st gear can understand......

72 and 82 yards passing indicates nothing other than game manager.

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3 minutes ago, NYJ1 said:

Once again so maybe those stuck in 1st gear can understand......

72 and 82 yards passing indicates nothing other than game manager.

Ok i dont talk to morons

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1 hour ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Ok i dont talk to morons

You're referring to yourself?

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