BUM-KNEE Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 57 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: True, and I agree that in this case, if there's a Kicker we like, absolutely take on in the 7th. But are there a lot of 7th round pick Kickers that have gone on to success? Gotta choose wisely there also. Seems to be a mix of higher picks and UDFA kickers that are missing the most this year. Crapshoot.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 57 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Go back and look at the players the Jets or any other team picked in the 7 round since 2010 and tell me you’d rather have them then a potential all pro kicker. It’s a no brainer. Draft a kicker. Both pro bowl kickers for this year were undrafted. Both pro bowl kickers from 2019 were undrafted. Kickers are no more reliable via the draft than any other position, maybe worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Both pro bowl kickers for this year were undrafted. Both pro bowl kickers from 2019 were undrafted. Kickers are no more reliable via the draft than any other position, maybe worse. I’m not saying they are. I’m saying why take the chance of another team signing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Joe the Breadman said: Mike Nugent says hi......"drafting a kicker is a great idea"..... No one is talking about using a 2nd on a kicker though. lol Especially when we didn't have a first. Jesus the Jets have been so friggin bad for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Bowles Movement said: I’ve always wondered why teams don’t invest a 7 th rd pick on a great kicker. By that point the other positions have all been picked over and chances of finding a great player late are small. Why not get the pick of the kickers instead of hoping to sign a fa? Worked out ok with Lachlan Edwards My thoughts exactly. If there aren't any worth it I get it, but I would like to see us show some initiative with that position other than signing scrubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: There's so few really good Kickers at both the NFL and collegiate level. Relying on the UDFA pool and free agency just isn't all that viable anymore. If there's one you like, a 7th round pick is fine. If we don't end up with a 7th by draft day, its easy to trade down and pick one up. I’d be less upset about a kicker with a late pick than a QB. 1 hour ago, Jets723 said: Honestly you can find good kickers undrafted so I want to save all our picks for the OL/WR/edge/corner But this is my general feeling. If all of their picks fall into these positional categories, I’ll probably be content. Need an OL in the first two picks, and again with one of the thirds, minimum. BAP WR, CB, EDGE, and OL with the rest of their picks. 22 minutes ago, New York Mick said: I’m not saying they are. I’m saying why take the chance of another team signing him. The Jets aren’t usually the desired destination, but an UDFA kicker will probably look at the Jets as one of his best opportunities to make an NFL roster. I really wouldn’t be too worried about the competition. I’d rather draft the developmental guys at other positions of need who might be more interested in signing elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, slats said: I’d be less upset about a kicker with a late pick than a QB. But this is my general feeling. If all of their picks fall into these positional categories, I’ll probably be content. Need an OL in the first two picks, and again with one of the thirds, minimum. BAP WR, CB, EDGE, and OL with the rest of their picks. The Jets aren’t usually the desired destination, but an UDFA kicker will probably look at the Jets as one of his best opportunities to make an NFL roster. I really wouldn’t be too worried about the competition. I’d rather draft the developmental guys at other positions of need who might be more interested in signing elsewhere. As I said. I’d rather draft the top rated kicker over the 200th ranked OL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, New York Mick said: As I said. I’d rather draft the top rated kicker over the 200th ranked OL. You did say that! I’d probably take the OL, or another position of need. Or the athlete that can play specials while he learns his position in the NFL. I don’t think they’ll have much trouble attracting the top undrafted kickers. But it wouldn’t bother me all that much if they draft a kicker late who goes on to be a solid starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, slats said: I’d be less upset about a kicker with a late pick than a QB. In this case I agree! A 7th round QB seems kind of worthless. Might as well just pick up a UDFA at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Beerfish said: Except kickers are as big of ? as any other position bust wise. Nugent failed here. The dude TBay picked a few years back in the 3rd round was terrible from day one. Im not saying to use a third rounder. A seventh rounder for a great prospect doesnt seem like that big a price to pay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 the draft "experts" consistently misjudge talent translating from College to the NFL and kicker is probably the most difficult due to differences in the ball and goal posts - agree if they were able to identify a good kicker, it's worth a draft pick but I think the odds are better finding a late round DT (Phillips), WR (Robbie, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Id rather jump off the Verrazano Bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMetsDevilsPA Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 I am all about a new kicker but I would hate to spend a draft pick on one. What ever happened to Justin Yoon from Notre Dame? He was their leading points scorer and rarely missed. For some reason I remember him going undrafted but attended a mini camp for the Bears or something. Worth a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 12:31 AM, GREENBEAN said: We were literally a FG kicker away from a .500 season. It doesn't work that way unless the missed kick was in the final game. When one variable changes, everything else changes. This fallacy needs to die. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 8 hours ago, JetsMetsDevilsPA said: I am all about a new kicker but I would hate to spend a draft pick on one. What ever happened to Justin Yoon from Notre Dame? He was their leading points scorer and rarely missed. For some reason I remember him going undrafted but attended a mini camp for the Bears or something. Worth a shot. I thought Ficken was fine and deserves to at least compete for the job next summer He single handedly is the reason Gase didn’t go 0-2 facing the sh tty Dolphins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Id rather jump off the Verrazano BridgeYou’d rather die than see the Jets take a Kicker in the 7th round? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fleming Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Considering how the kicker is a direct scoring player I’d be willing to use a pick on the most promising kicker past RD2. The Jets assesses that kickers were interchangeable in ‘19 and look what happened. With the data showing declining accuracy among kickers now, there’s probably going to be more competition among teams to sign even competent kickers now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 12:31 AM, GREENBEAN said: I know it's not really the position most people want to use a draft pick on but are there any guys coming out that have people thinking he might be worth using a 5th or 6th rdr on? Someone with boat loads of potential? We were literally a FG kicker away from a .500 season. Here's what's looking like the top guy at the moment but I don't know too much about this subject. Any love for "Hot Rod" ??? Any love for anyone else? Rodrigo Blankenship, K, Georgia Height: 6-1. Weight: 191. Projected Round (2020): 4-6. 12/21/19: The Georgia "Hot Rod" was on a streak of perfection before a miss in overtime cost Georgia a loss to South Carolina. He hit a long of 50 yards this season and is 25-for-31 (81 percent). He has three misses in the 40-yard range (8-of-11) and one in the 50-yard range (3-of-5). 6/22/19: In 2018, Blankenship was 19-of-23 on his field goals with a long of 53. He was excellent in 2017, connecting on 87 percent of his field goals. That season Blankenship had a long of 55 yards and was 2-for-2 in the 50+ range. He was 4-of-7 in the 40-yard range. Do a video on that. 8 million views later lol. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 8 hours ago, Maxman said: Do a video on that. 8 million views later lol. That SOB Bossman Max. Always overworking his meal ticket. Don't worry GREENBEAN you're just the flavor of the month, like @T0mShane used to be. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 That SOB Bossman Max. Always overworking his meal ticket. Don't worry GREENBEAN you're just the flavor of the month, like [mention=9582]T0mShane[/mention] used to be. Tom Shane isn’t a flavor anymore? Someone should let him know. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 It doesn't work that way unless the missed kick was in the final game. When one variable changes, everything else changes. This fallacy needs to die. Destroy the fallacy!!! Of course you’re right but that’s the figurative unprovable. in a literal sense and in in a rudimentary simple way it’s an accurate statement. The fallacy will never die by the way. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 One thing no one will ever outdo is the Raiders using a 1st round pick on a punter Ray Guy and kicker Janikowski..? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 11 hours ago, Ian Fleming said: Considering how the kicker is a direct scoring player I’d be willing to use a pick on the most promising kicker past RD2. The Jets assesses that kickers were interchangeable in ‘19 and look what happened. With the data showing declining accuracy among kickers now, there’s probably going to be more competition among teams to sign even competent kickers now. Because outside of a very small handful of guys like Justin Tucker and Josh Lambo, they are interchangeable. Not to mention that most of these kickers who are drafted within the first 4-5 rounds typically go on to have completely mediocre careers or are flatout terrible. The Vikings have burned multiple picks on kickers over the last 5+ years (Blair Walsh, Daniel Carlson, Kaare Vedvik, etc) and not a single one has worked out for them. I’d be beyond pissed if Douglas drafted a kicker any higher than the 7th round. Especially in a draft as deep at WR and OL as this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 13 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: You’d rather die than see the Jets take a Kicker in the 7th round? Yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Savage69 said: One thing no one will ever outdo is the Raiders using a 1st round pick on a punter Ray Guy and kicker Janikowski..? Except we basically did the same thing just a few years later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 48 minutes ago, Untouchable said: Because outside of a very small handful of guys like Justin Tucker and Josh Lambo, they are interchangeable. Not to mention that most of these kickers who are drafted within the first 4-5 rounds typically go on to have completely mediocre careers or are flatout terrible. The Vikings have burned multiple picks on kickers over the last 5+ years (Blair Walsh, Daniel Carlson, Kaare Vedvik, etc) and not a single one has worked out for them. I’d be beyond pissed if Douglas drafted a kicker any higher than the 7th round. Especially in a draft as deep at WR and OL as this one. There are always serviceable kickers available off the street This is overreaction to the fact that Gase essentially blew the season by signing the worst kicker ever one week before week 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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