Jetster Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Face it Jet fans. We will never see real NFL football until we're back to being contenders. This new NFL is riddled with loser teams going through the motions of another season. Players SAVING themselves for free agency. Remember Robbie Andersons alligator arm impression in Buffalo? Seasons are nothing if your not in the playoffs. Buffalo got the taste & that changes everything. They believe they're on the way to yearly appearance. Just the intensity of these playoff games goes up a notch as players strive for another chance, another game. Watching some of the regular season games in the NFL was like watching preseason football. Sam needs to taste the playoffs! He needs to have that feeling he had when playing big games at USC. There is no other way to ARRIVE in the NFL than to make plays in the biggest games. 10 years. 10 years since one of the greatest upsets I've ever witnessed watching the NY Jets beat the Pats at Gillette. That's like going for 3rd grade to graduation for god sake. There will be no better time for Joe Douglas to turn this team around than right now with the Pats finally teetering, Miami in rebuild & a beatable Buffalo team if we can fix the Oline. Healthy our defense can stand with the Bills offense. We need playoffs THIS YEAR! Sams 3rd year in the league. It's time, no more excuses. I'm one of the fans that believes in Gase & what he's trying to establish here. But another 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 season will crush my enthusiasm. A lot of us older guys are getting tired, and cranky. We have our QB, many, many teams have turned things around in 1 year, why not us? The AFC East is a shell of its once strong past. The Pats have owned it for 20 years. It's f*cking wide open right now & we better be contenders for the Crown. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Face it Jet fans. We will never see real NFL football until we're back to being contenders. This new NFL is riddled with loser teams going through the motions of another season. Players SAVING themselves for free agency. Remember Robbie Andersons alligator arm impression in Buffalo? Seasons are nothing if your not in the playoffs. Buffalo got the taste & that changes everything. They believe they're on the way to yearly appearance. Just the intensity of these playoff games goes up a notch as players strive for another chance, another game. Watching some of the regular season games in the NFL was like watching preseason football. Sam needs to taste the playoffs! He needs to have that feeling he had when playing big games at USC. There is no other way to ARRIVE in the NFL than to make plays in the biggest games. 10 years. 10 years since one of the greatest upsets I've ever witnessed watching the NY Jets beat the Pats at Gillette. That's like going for 3rd grade to graduation for god sake. There will be no better time for Joe Douglas to turn this team around than right now with the Pats finally teetering, Miami in rebuild & a beatable Buffalo team if we can fix the Oline. Healthy our defense can stand with the Bills offense. We need playoffs THIS YEAR! Sams 3rd year in the league. It's time, no more excuses. I'm one of the fans that believes in Gase & what he's trying to establish here. But another 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 season will crush my enthusiasm. A lot of us older guys are getting tired, and cranky. We have our QB, many, many teams have turned things around in 1 year, why not us? The AFC East is a shell of its once strong past. The Pats have owned it for 20 years. It's f*cking wide open right now & we better be contenders for the Crown. This is why I fully.endorse drafting a QB early if one falls.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dbatesman Posted January 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2020 Agree to disagree 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 So ... the pig is ripe??? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 37 minutes ago, Dunnie said: This is why I fully.endorse drafting a QB early if one falls. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk We have to ride or die with Sam until we have to pay him. So next year we need to put some resemblance of an actual NFL roster around him on offense to accurately determine if he is the solution. Simply can’t afford to use a pick on a QB this year because it’s not even close to as much a need as other position are. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 We have to ride or die with Sam until we have to pay him. So next year we need to put some resemblance of an actual NFL roster around him on offense to accurately determine if he is the solution. Simply can’t afford to use a pick on a QB this year because it’s not even close to as much a need as other position are. I understand ... But ... Like the stock market ... It's a good idea to hedge your bet until the QB position is settled.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dunnie said: I understand ... But ... Like the stock market ... It's a good idea to hedge your bet until the QB position is settled. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Yeah but you do t spend money in the stock market when you don’t have groceries in the house. Our cupboard is beyond bare. Sam might be a stale loaf of bread but you can still make toast. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dunnie said: I understand ... But ... Like the stock market ... It's a good idea to hedge your bet until the QB position is settled. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk There isn't a chance in hell anyone would take a QB, unless youre talking a later round pick for a backup. Not as competition for Sam or as his possible replacement. We need to restock the talent on this roster not play the roster like its the stock market, its not close to being that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetster said: We need playoffs THIS YEAR! Yes. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jetster Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, SAR I said: You hate your head coach, you think he sucks, and somehow you therefore come to the conclusion that he owes you a playoff berth next season? Stop trolling Jets fans, thanks. SAR I I have no idea what your responding to as I have been a proponent of the Gase hire for Sams sake. You sir must have me confused with another poster here. And yes, Gase, Douglas & CJ owe us at least a playoff birth in 2020. Like you've posted over & over, we went 6-2 to end the season over the last 8 games. If we don't make the playoffs then your arguments with the Gase haters falls completely flat & their insistence that the 6-2 record was based on beating sh*tty teams was in fact RIGHT ON THE MONEY. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: I've got the real thing. A few apparently slipped to Marshalls instead of going to Pakistan. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Just getting to the playoffs and not building to be a perennial contender is the wrong approach. I can stand not making the playoffs next year if it means we'll get there, say, 3/4 times in the subsequent 5 years. Lot's of Jets fans can't stand that idea though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, SAR I said: I've got the real thing. A few apparently slipped to Marshalls instead of going to Pakistan. SAR I I wouldn't know I don't shop at Marshall's I prefer Macy's. joewilly12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jetster said: I have no idea what your responding to as I have been a proponent of the Gase hire for Sams sake. You sir must have me confused with another poster here. And yes, Gase, Douglas & CJ owe us at least a playoff birth in 2020. Like you've posted over & over, we went 6-2 to end the season over the last 8 games. If we don't make the playoffs then your arguments with the Gase haters falls completely flat & their insistence that the 6-2 record was based on beating sh*tty teams was in fact RIGHT ON THE MONEY. Yes, I confused you with Jetsons. Apologies. If the Jets stay healthy I expect the playoffs. However, it's not a "mandate" for Gase's second year. If the fans were that knee-jerk in San Fransisco, they'd have fired Shanahan after he went backwards his first two seasons. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Just getting to the playoffs and not building to be a perennial contender is the wrong approach. I can stand not making the playoffs next year if it means we'll get there, say, 3/4 times in the subsequent 5 years. Lot's of Jets fans can't stand that idea though. Exactly. The Bills made the playoffs and all they found out is that they're not a playoff team. The 49ers were 6-10 then 4-12 and used that time to get a playbook entrenched and put pieces in place, get the injured back to health, and then BOOM explosion to 13-3 and (I believe) a Super Bowl Championship. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: I wouldn't know I don't shop at Marshall's I prefer Macy's. joewilly12 I was at my son's 5th grade concert and saw a teen wearing the Jets Championship hoodie. He said they had a bunch of stuff at Marshall's one town over. Jumped in my car, bought everything they had which was 1 hat, 5 t-shirts, and 5 hoodies. Cost me like $40. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jetster said: and, Gase, Douglas & CJ owe us at least a playoff birth in 2020. Like you've posted over & over, we went 6-2 to end the season over the last 8 games. If we don't make the playoffs then your arguments with the Gase haters falls completely flat & their insistence that the 6-2 record was based on beating sh*tty teams was in fact RIGHT ON THE MONEY. This. For all of the Gase supporters, you cannot hold up the 6-2 second half like a trophy and then not expect the progression of a winning season and playoff berth in 2020. If we the Jets are really as good as that 6-2 record (I don't think they are), then with a presumably much better roster, they should be a playoff team in 2020. You just can't have it both ways. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Only if we buy a ticket . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said: This. For all of the Gase supporters, you cannot hold up the 6-2 second half like a trophy and then not expect the progression of a winning season and playoff berth in 2020. If we the Jets are really as good as that 6-2 record (I don't think they are), then with a presumably much better roster, they should be a playoff team in 2020. You just can't have it both ways. No, it's the opposite. If you believe that the Jets had the 31st worst offense in the NFL and only finished strong because of weak teams, then you must believe we are years away from the playoffs. Can't have it both ways. Nice try though. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said: Only if we buy a ticket . I'll be holding these 3 in my pocket when we win the division again, probably by 2025. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, SAR I said: No, it's the opposite. If you believe that the Jets had the 31st worst offense in the NFL and only finished strong because of weak teams, then you must believe we are years away from the playoffs. Can't have it both ways. Nice try though. SAR I I'm not having it both ways. I don't think the Jets are a good team as currently constructed and I don't expect them to make the playoffs in 2020, even with an improved roster. YOU think they're a good team and therefore based on your impeccable logic, they should springboard off of their glorious 6-2 second half and achieve world domination and a playoff berth next year. Don't get it twisted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, SAR I said: I was at my son's 5th grade concert and saw a teen wearing the Jets Championship hoodie. He said they had a bunch of stuff at Marshall's one town over. Jumped in my car, bought everything they had which was 1 hat, 5 t-shirts, and 5 hoodies. Cost me like $40. SAR I I have the gray t-shirt a friend bought for me not sure where he got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said: I'm not having it both ways. I don't think the Jets are a good team as currently constructed and I don't expect them to make the playoffs in 2020, even with an improved roster. YOU think they're a good team and therefore based on your impeccable logic, they should springboard off of their glorious 6-2 second half and achieve world domination and a playoff berth next year. Don't get it twisted. The 6-2 finish only indicates 3 things: 1. The roster has some surprising young depth. 2. Sam Darnold is a great young quarterback, made something out of nothing. 3. Adam Gase and his staff are respected by the players and made adjustments that led to surprising wins. Those are all very positive. I am extremely proud. I feel good about next season. But it's going to take a great draft and some smart cuts/additions to put us over the top. No wildcard from the AFCE next season, have to take the division. Keeping our coaching staff and playbooks intact goes a long way. Comfort in a system year-over-year took a weak team like the Bills to the playoffs. Gase and Gregg showed their stuff; now it's Joe Douglas' turn. SAR I 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 35 minutes ago, SAR I said: I've got the real thing. A few apparently slipped to Marshalls instead of going to Pakistan. SAR I Very sad. Not you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Pressure is definitely on for improvement. Improvement from 7-9 would more or less be a 6 seed. NFC west schedule with no Brady, could see a 10-6/9-7 team actually taking the division. With Woody back, could see him making a change if no playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, SAR I said: The 6-2 finish only indicates 3 things: 1. The roster has some surprising young depth. 2. Sam Darnold is a great young quarterback, made something out of nothing. 3. Adam Gase and his staff are respected by the players and made adjustments that led to surprising wins. Those are all very positive. I am extremely proud. I feel good about next season. But it's going to take a great draft and some smart cuts/additions to put us over the top. No wildcard from the AFCE next season, have to take the division. Keeping our coaching staff and playbooks intact goes a long way. Comfort in a system year-over-year took a weak team like the Bills to the playoffs. Gase and Gregg showed their stuff; now it's Joe Douglas' turn. SAR I I think Gase showed very little (beyond altering the playbook after his 2nd year QB demanded he do so). The success of the team in 2020 was a young, no-name defense maturing under the tutelage of Greg Williams and Darnold putting the team on his back and elevating the play of inferior offensive personnel. If Douglas does his job and upgrades the offense in 2020, Gase needs to deliver on the promise of his offensive wizardry or he's two years and done. Book it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said: I think Gase showed very little (beyond altering the playbook after his 2nd year QB demanded he do so). The success of the team in 2020 was a young, no-name defense maturing under the tutelage of Greg Williams and Darnold putting the team on his back and elevating the play of inferior offensive personnel. If Douglas does his job and upgrades the offense in 2020, Gase needs to deliver on the promise of his offensive wizardry or he's two years and done. Book it. agree and disagree at the same time. i certainly would welcome a playoff berth and i like the way they finished the season. but at the same time, this next season will still only be year 2 of a rebuilding process. imo it's still only year 2 because of the mess mac left the team in with regard to overall talent. i want to believe there's more talent than always indicated but the record is what it is. they need more and it'll be challenging for douglas to bring in enough for next season. we'll see what happens soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Just getting to the playoffs and not building to be a perennial contender is the wrong approach. I can stand not making the playoffs next year if it means we'll get there, say, 3/4 times in the subsequent 5 years. Lot's of Jets fans can't stand that idea though. You can build around Sam and build this team up for a playoff push next season while still maintaining an approach for future success. It all has to do with how well you draft, who you draft, who you sign in FA, and how you structure their contracts. It's not easy but it can be done. So there shouldn't be any argument over long term success vs. playoffs next year. But it is very well true that before the Jets give Sam a monster contract they need to put a solid young O-line in front of him and give him at least a couple stud WRs on top of what he has now (assuming Robby walks). So they can't exactly go into re-build mode in any sense of the word. Even if they don't have a ton of cap they have to make due and sign the best FAs they can. They just have to be smart with who they give a ton of money to and how they structure contracts. Of course, I realize I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 People don't seem to realize how little talent this team has. It's going to take a bit of time to build it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 hours ago, jamesr said: So ... the pig is ripe??? 2 hours ago, SAR I said: I've got the real thing. A few apparently slipped to Marshalls instead of going to Pakistan. SAR I Burn them with fire those things have bad juju. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 Every year we see teams surprise & make the playoffs. It's about time we're one of them. Hopefully Bell is better next year, I think the year layoff hurt him, or maybe he doesn't give a sh*t anymore but I'd like to see us draft another dynamic RB. That high #3 might be the ticket. Oline- WR- RB- Get er done JD. It could definitely be done! 2 free agent Olineman- 1 free agent pass rusher, 1 2nd tier FA WR, I've listed them before, Agholor or Geronimo Allison would be my top 2. With a revamped Oline, A top WR like Juedy + Crowder + Agholor or Geronimo + Herndon + Griffin + Bell + 3rd round RB, that should be plenty for Sam to work with! That's a helluva lot better than David Nelson + David Clowney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Dunnie said: This is why I fully.endorse drafting a QB early if one falls. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Somehow QB is one of our biggest needs. We need someone who at least has a prayer of playing .500 ball if Darnold misses time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 hours ago, dbatesman said: Agree to disagree On which part the Robby alligator arms thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, peebag said: People don't seem to realize how little talent this team has. It's going to take a bit of time to build it up. Time and a whole lot of spending money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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