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3 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

He’s never been a speed guy, true. He’s got elite vision, which is wasted on a field with no blocks to follow.

Oh well.

Apparently the OL can be the excuse for Darnold being mediocre, but not for Bell underperforming. Why would Jet fans make sense?

Don't forget the injuries. 

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11 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

He’s never been a speed guy, true. He’s got elite vision, which is wasted on a field with no blocks to follow.

Oh well.

 Apparently the OL can be the excuse for Darnold being mediocre, but not for Bell underperforming. Why would Jet fans make sense?

Of course it's a big part of the reason he's not good.

It's also the reason he shouldn't have been signed.

Give him one more year, because, why create another problem.  Then cut him.

Macc was so stupid.

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9 minutes ago, RobR said:

This is 100% wrong. We can definitely trade him but we can't cut him.

https://overthecap.com/player/leveon-bell/2258/

Why is that?  I thought cutting and trading were generally the same thing, cap wise.  Is there additional non prorated guaranteed money this year?

EDIT: I'll revise my thinking on this.  Take a 4 and 9M cap savings if you can get it.

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13 minutes ago, SAR I said:

So Gase ruined Le'Veon Bell.  Okay.

So let's hear your praise for the fact that Robbie Anderson and Jameson Crowder had career years.

SAR I

Bell ISN'T RUINED... gase IS A MORON who's offense hasn't finished better than 24th in ranking his ENTIRE NFL HC'ing Career.

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6 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Why is that?  I thought cutting and trading were generally the same thing, cap wise.  Is there additional non prorated guaranteed money this year?

No his salary for next year is guaranteed... But the team trading for him will take that on if he is traded... Cut him and you pay him and he gets paid by another team and you get nothing for him... Cutting him would be a ridiculously bad and stupid idea

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Just now, playtowinthegame said:

I don't think so. 

It's not.  I was wrong.

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2 hours ago, RobR said:

Twit of the year? None of the youngsters here will get this.

I’m old and I still don’t get it!

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5 minutes ago, jetsons said:

Bell ISN'T RUINED... gase IS A MORON who's offense hasn't finished better than 24th in ranking his ENTIRE NFL HC'ing Career.

Really, you downvote an explanation... What a jackass 

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1 minute ago, Skeptable said:

Really, you down vote an explanation... What a jackass 

really... you down vote a Fact... What A DOUCHEBAG.

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1 minute ago, jetsons said:

really... you downvote a Fact... What A DOUCHEBAG.

Your opinion of Gase is not a fact... Just saying... It's an opinion 

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7 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

Your opinion of Gase is not a fact... Just saying 

Not "opinion"... FACT.... gase's offense as HC was ranked 24th in his 1st yr @ Miami & has Steadily Declined finishing Last (32nd) in 2019 w/ the Jets.... just saying.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GaseAd0.htm

Team's Ranks

 
  • Team ranks, totals at bottom are percentiles
  Overall Offense Rushing Off Passing Off Defense Rushing Def Passing Def
Year Tm Role Tms WL% T/G Pts± Yds± Yds Pts GvA Att Yds TD Y/A FL Att Yds TD Int NY/A Yds Pts TkA Att Yds TD Y/A FR Att Yds TD Int nY/A
7 yrs       63 50 43 45 42 46 47 45 46 43 44 54 48 45 60 49 57 51 37 50 49 54 55 51 44 46 54 31 56 51
3 yrs MIA HC   53 48 17 16 20 29 33 25 45 24 60 55 35 26 57 34 45 26 26 56 26 25 41 26 42 61 49 27 63 33
2 yrs DEN OC   100 64 95 98 95 98 67 67 56 78 41 48 86 95 98 70 95 69 44 56 89 89 55 81 34 11 47 31 73 75
1 yr CHI OC   34 44 38 53 38 31 63 84 69 66 44 56 25 31 31 69 63 59 41 16 38 31 78 22 53 88 91 25 9 47
1 yr NYJ HC   50 31 25 19 3 6 31 22 6 6 3 56 34 13 19 31 13 81 53 50 47 97 75 97 59 28 50 50 50 63
2013 DEN OC 32 1 14 1 1 1 1 17 11 15 7 20 32 2 1 1 5 1 19 22 16 8 7 23 10 21 27 27 21 12 17
2014 DEN OC 32 1 11 4 2 4 2 6 12 15 9 20 3 9 4 2 16 4 3 16 14 1 2 8 4 23 32 9 25 7 1
2015 CHI OC 32 22 19 21 16 21 23 13 6 11 12 19 15 25 23 23 11 13 14 20 28 21 23 8 26 16 5 4 25 30 18
2016 MIA HC 32 9 13 24 29 24 17 17 18 9 15 8 11 31 26 12 18 6 29 18 11 28 30 13 31 17 24 15 25 9 13
2017 MIA HC 32 22 29 29 25 25 28 30 32 29 31 24 14 4 18 15 30 24 16 29 29 15 14 22 17 23 9 16 23 28 23
2018 MIA HC 32 17 11 30 30 31 26 20 25 18 30 9 21 30 30 17 18 26 29 27 5 31 31 25 26 19 7 21 25 2 31
2019 NYJ HC 32 17 23 25 27 32 31 23 26 31 31 32 15 22 29 27 23 29 7 16 17 18 2 9 2 14 24 17 17 17 13

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6 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

I’m old and I still don’t get it!

Monty Python. Really?

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24 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Robby Anderson did not have a career year. 

2019 52 catches-779 yards-5 TD's 

2017 63 catches-941 yards-7 TD's 

joewilly12 

Shut up.  You know what I'm trying to say.  Stick to posting memes.  Stay in your lane.

SAR I

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10 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

Really, you downvote an explanation... What a jackass 

Classic jetsons.

Watch this...

I think Colin Kaepernick got a raw deal.

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28 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Robby Anderson did not have a career year. 

2019 52 catches-779 yards-5 TD's 

2017 63 catches-941 yards-7 TD's 

joewilly12 

His QB was better then.

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2 hours ago, RobR said:

Twit of the year? None of the youngsters here will get this.

Upper Class twit of the year! LOL 

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And we had Ty. Really thought those two were going to be exciting to watch on the field together. Damn you, expectations. 

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7 minutes ago, jetsons said:

Not "opinion"... FACT.... gase's offense as HC was ranked 24th in his 1st yr @ Miami & has Steadily Declined finishing Last (32nd) in 2019 w/ the Jets.... just saying.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GaseAd0.htm

Team's Ranks

 
  • Team ranks, totals at bottom are percentiles
  Overall Offense Rushing Off Passing Off Defense Rushing Def Passing Def
Year Tm Role Tms WL% T/G Pts± Yds± Yds Pts GvA Att Yds TD Y/A FL Att Yds TD Int NY/A Yds Pts TkA Att Yds TD Y/A FR Att Yds TD Int nY/A
7 yrs       63 50 43 45 42 46 47 45 46 43 44 54 48 45 60 49 57 51 37 50 49 54 55 51 44 46 54 31 56 51
3 yrs MIA HC   53 48 17 16 20 29 33 25 45 24 60 55 35 26 57 34 45 26 26 56 26 25 41 26 42 61 49 27 63 33
2 yrs DEN OC   100 64 95 98 95 98 67 67 56 78 41 48 86 95 98 70 95 69 44 56 89 89 55 81 34 11 47 31 73 75
1 yr CHI OC   34 44 38 53 38 31 63 84 69 66 44 56 25 31 31 69 63 59 41 16 38 31 78 22 53 88 91 25 9 47
1 yr NYJ HC   50 31 25 19 3 6 31 22 6 6 3 56 34 13 19 31 13 81 53 50 47 97 75 97 59 28 50 50 50 63
2013 DEN OC 32 1 14 1 1 1 1 17 11 15 7 20 32 2 1 1 5 1 19 22 16 8 7 23 10 21 27 27 21 12 17
2014 DEN OC 32 1 11 4 2 4 2 6 12 15 9 20 3 9 4 2 16 4 3 16 14 1 2 8 4 23 32 9 25 7 1
2015 CHI OC 32 22 19 21 16 21 23 13 6 11 12 19 15 25 23 23 11 13 14 20 28 21 23 8 26 16 5 4 25 30 18
2016 MIA HC 32 9 13 24 29 24 17 17 18 9 15 8 11 31 26 12 18 6 29 18 11 28 30 13 31 17 24 15 25 9 13
2017 MIA HC 32 22 29 29 25 25 28 30 32 29 31 24 14 4 18 15 30 24 16 29 29 15 14 22 17 23 9 16 23 28 23
2018 MIA HC 32 17 11 30 30 31 26 20 25 18 30 9 21 30 30 17 18 26 29 27 5 31 31 25 26 19 7 21 25 2 31
2019 NYJ HC 32 17 23 25 27 32 31 23 26 31 31 32 15 22 29 27 23 29 7 16 17 18 2 9 2 14 24 17 17 17 13

So if I am reading this right the years he had a top tier qb he was ranked number 1... Ok then

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24 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Robby Anderson did not have a career year. 

2019 52 catches-779 yards-5 TD's 

2017 63 catches-941 yards-7 TD's 

joewilly12 

... and Crowder caught 78 for 833yds, but in '16, he caught 67 for 847 yds. Difference was he was targeted 122 time last year (63.9% catch %) vs 99 times in '16 (67.7%). The only one who had a "career year" was Luke Falk because last year was his whole career.

yeesh 

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1 minute ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Upper Class twit of the year! LOL 

I knew it. LMAO

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38 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Deals I would take right now:

Jamal Adams — 1st rounder and 3rd rounder

Le’veon Bell — 2nd or 3rd and nothing less.

Avery Williamson — 3rd and nothing less.

 

if I couldn’t get that from any of these deals, I wouldn’t budge because I don’t have to if I’m JD.

I'd take a 1st and a 2021 3rd  for Adams.

A 3rd for Bell and we only eat half of his salary/cap hit is the max we could get for him.

Keep Williamson

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4 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Classic jetsons.

Watch this...

I think Colin Kaepernick got a raw deal.

I agree

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Find another team that has a player on a big contract that they no longer want or doesnt fit in or is demanding a trade and make the swap.

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6 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

So if I am reading this right the years he had a top tier qb he was ranked number 1... Ok then

EXACTLY... Peyton Manning WILL make your resume look Great... take him away & you see what he really is... ZERO... He had Tannenhill & got him traded... Tannenhill in his 1st yr Led the League in QBR & is playing in the Division Championship... so much for the offensive QB "guru" 🙄

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1 minute ago, Nixhead said:

Find another team that has a player on a big contract that they no longer want or doesnt fit in or is demanding a trade and make the swap.

Seattle, Tampa, KC, Pittsburgh, Houston, SF, are all good places

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4 minutes ago, jetsons said:

EXACTLY... Peyton Manning WILL make your resume look Great... take him away & you see what he really is... ZERO... He had Tannenhill & got him traded... Tannenhill in his 1st yr Led the League in QBR & is playing in the Division Championship... so much for the offensive QB "guru" 🙄

After years of learning under Gase... Gase might just be a terrible play caller but good coach.  Hence why Manning excelled under him. 

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4 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

After years of learning under Gase... Gase might just be a terrible play caller but good coach.  Hence why Manning excelled under him. 

what???? Manning was a 1st Ballot HOF'er Before he ever he heard of the name adam gase... Manning is who MADE gase a Hot Commodity..

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I just don't see any team trading for that contract and are they really just going to cut him and eat money?

I'll believe it when I see it. 

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So what does this mean? Would he go to another team and we would get a draft pick? 

 

If so, what round would be considered fair?

weird

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17 minutes ago, jetsons said:

EXACTLY... Peyton Manning WILL make your resume look Great... take him away & you see what he really is... ZERO... He had Tannenhill & got him traded... Tannenhill in his 1st yr Led the League in QBR & is playing in the Division Championship... so much for the offensive QB "guru" 🙄

Tannehill was a backup with the Titans and was ignored for 6 weeks, rode the bench.  Thrown into the lineup in desperation, he had a great 10 game stretch.

So that means the coaching and training he received prior to arriving in Tennessee finally paid off.

Great job Adam Gase.  Whisperer indeed.

SAR I

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