JTJet Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: 17 %. Really. lol. You “Mahomes truthers” really are insane. 17% correct. I did all the appropriate maths to draw this conclusion. He is a great player, but drafted into our organization at THAT time. I would love to see an actual argument made that he would be as good as you are currently watching on tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, fusionCA said: Lol Anderson will have the same TD's like hill You cant hide talent like that This kind of guy give a shock to the system and everything gets upgraded So basically you are saying Kelce , Hill, and their Oline had nothing to do with it? That Mahomes could carry even a crappy team? Look nobody is knocking Mahomes...he had been terrific in his career so far. But saying that the talent around him makes no difference is a bit misleading. It’s not a knock on the kid. If anything it’s a compliment to KC in how they built this team so well on offense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 17% correct. I did all the appropriate maths to draw this conclusion. He is a great player, but drafted into our organization at THAT time. I would love to see an actual argument made that he would be as good as you are currently watching on tv. Such smart maths you really are the genius. Never said he’d be as good. But he’d be at least 75 %. Not 17 %. That’s insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jets723 said: Exactly dude. Can’t look at the past. It’s not just Mahomes...KC is loaded everywhere on offense. Give credit to KC for building a great offense around their QB He’s got receivers for days , plus Kelsey might be best TE in the game currently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusionCA Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Jets723 said: So basically you are saying Kelce , Hill, and their Oline had nothing to do with it? That Mahomes could carry even a crappy team? Look nobody is knocking Mahomes...he had been terrific in his career so far. But saying that the talent around him makes no difference is a bit misleading. It’s not a knock on the kid. If anything it’s a compliment to KC in how they built this team so well on offense I am saying that when you draft a talent like that it gives a shock to the system , you understand what you have and everything gets upgraded. Look at golden state , for 20 years they were the laughing stock of the nba ,once they drafted curry everything changed , they upgraded managment, scouting , fired the awful loser coach that they had 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, The Crusher said: He’s got receivers for days , plus Kelsey might be best TE in the game currently. Absolutely. I’m not taking anything away from Mahomes he is excellent. But as a QB you need talent around you and KC has elite talent. When you compare their weapons to our weapons it’s like comparing a 5 star restaurant to McDonald’s lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, SAR I said: And that's why a bigtime QB is better than Ground & Pound. Sam trumps Rex, SAR I “ Yo, put the hard seltzer down and step away from the computer, sir!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jets723 said: Tennessee really screwed up at the end. They were playing almost flawless until the last 4 minutes They've playted practically flawless for 3.5 games in a row. Its not sustainable, really. There are always valleys and dips in performance. "Screwed up." Is pretty harsh, imo. those last few minutes they were found wanting, but the previous 25 mins were very good. And everyone knows its hard to keep KC down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, fusionCA said: I am saying that when you draft a talent like that it gives a shock to the system , you understand what you have and everything gets upgraded. Look at golden state , for 20 years they were the laughing stock of the nba ,once they drafted curry everything changed , they upgraded managment, scouting , fired the awful loser coach that they had It wasn’t just curry man. They draft Clay Thompson AND Darymond Green. Then signed Durant. That’s elite talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Such smart maths you really are the genius. Never said he’d be as good. But he’d be at least 75 %. Not 17 %. That’s insane. I am a regular Albert Hawkings. You may need to go back and look at out 2017 roster and staff and reevaluate. 17% is being generous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Losmeister said: They've playted practically flawless for 3.5 games in a row. Its not sustainable, really. There are always valleys and dips in performance. "Screwed up." Is pretty harsh, imo. Not those last few minutes they were found wanting, but the previous 25 mins were very good. And everyone knows its hard to keep KC down. True. I meant they didn’t block well or tackle well at the end 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Jets723 said: Absolutely. I’m not taking anything away from Mahomes he is excellent. But as a QB you need talent around you and KC has elite talent. When you compare their weapons to our weapons it’s like comparing a 5 star restaurant to McDonald’s lol Or McDonalds to rabbit stew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusionCA Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, Jets723 said: It wasn’t just curry man. They draft Clay Thompson AND Darymond Green. Then signed Durant. That’s elite talent Curry was the first piece ,7th overall in the draft Once they got him everything changed, you think Durant would have come if they didn't have curry As soon as they saw the loser coach is holding curry back they kicked him to the curb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson King Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, fusionCA said: Man how can you not love the way mahomes play probably inspired by the '06 Jets when his Dad pitched for the Ducks and he was 10 yrs old. I imagine he went to some practices, saw Pennington and thought, "Heck, I can throw further than that now, just wait until I'm in my 20's!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, fusionCA said: Curry was the first piece ,7th overall in the draft Once they got him everything changed, you think Durant would have come if they didn't have curry As soon as they saw the loser coach is holding curry back they kicked him to the curb Still that really doesn’t prove that curry did it alone he didn’t. He was loaded with talent around him which was my point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Such smart maths you really are the genius. Never said he’d be as good. But he’d be at least 75 %. Not 17 %. That’s insane. It’s impossible to know for sure. But one thing we can agree on is that it would be much much tougher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 I am a regular Albert Hawkings. You may need to go back and look at out 2017 roster and staff and reevaluate. 17% is being generous. You’re absolutely right. Mahomes is propped up almost entirely by his circumstances. Andy Reid surely agrees. He thought so little of Mahomes that he dumped Alex Smith after a career year, then traded up for Mahomes. He knows he’s just a “system QB” who can only win surrounded by elite talent.You’re so smart. Why didn’t I see all this before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusionCA Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, Jets723 said: Still that really doesn’t prove that curry did it alone he didn’t. He was loaded with talent around him which was my point Look at the team they had when drafted curry ,it was just as bad as the jets now . So dont tell me drafting elite talent doesn't help upgrading everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, fusionCA said: Look at the team they had when drafted curry ,it was just as bad as the jets now . So dont tell me drafting elite talent doesn't help upgrading everything Once again you are not getting it. I said you need elite talent but they had lost Thompson and draymond green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Haven't read this thread because I don't care who wins these games but I suspect half the posts are whining about players we didn't draft, right? Ignoring the fact that every other team besides the one they're on didn't draft them either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Duh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Finally They got some pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Pac said: Haven't read this thread because I don't care who wins these games but I suspect half the posts are whining about players we didn't draft, right? Ignoring the fact that every other team besides the one they're on didn't draft them either. Considering you have LOVED literally every single player macgagnan ever drafted your opinion on such matters is not that relevant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Pac said: Haven't read this thread because I don't care who wins these games but I suspect half the posts are whining about players we didn't draft, right? Ignoring the fact that every other team besides the one they're on didn't draft them either. Mike Maccagnans everywhere! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Titans got lucky there. Now they need a long TD drive or this could be it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusionCA Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, Jets723 said: Once again you are not getting it. I said you need elite talent but they had lost Thompson and draymond green. You dont get it All I hear is that mahomes will never be good with the jets because he will not have same coaching, same players What I am saying is that when you find a talent like mahomes everything is upgraded. Just like it happened with gsw ,they drafted curry into an awful team,management and coaching. But once they saw the talent they have they know its once in a life time and overhauled the entire team top to bottom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, fusionCA said: You dont get it All I hear is that mahomes will never be good with the jets because he will not have same coaching, same players What I am saying is that when you find a talent like mahomes everything is upgraded. Just like it happened with gsw ,they drafted curry into an awful team,management and coaching. But once they saw the talent they have they know its once in a life time and overhauled the entire team top to bottom Agree to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Agree to disagree You sound like a flat earther here. Agreeing to disagree technically ends the debate but doesn’t win many points when you’re so far on the wrong side of the argument.Mahomes is an elite QB who would be elite anywhere. He’s at his best in KC but would still be a top 5 qb anywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: You sound like a flat earther here. Agreeing to disagree technically ends the debate but doesn’t win many points when you’re so far on the wrong side of the argument. Mahomes is an elite QB who would be elite anywhere. He’s at his best in KC but would still be a top 5 qb anywhere. “Flat earther”. I have a pretty fair argument but whatever man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusionCA Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jets723 said: Agree to disagree You disagree curry was drafted to an awful team with bad coaches and bad management? I mean this are facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 It's really amazing being able to sit back and just enjoy an AFCC. The Pats going down is the best thing to happen to the NFL since ever. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, The Crusher said: He’s got receivers for days , plus Kelsey might be best TE in the game currently. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 I mean guys, I love Adams and Darnold but with the benefit of hindsight there's no argument to be made that Mahomes shouldn't have been the pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Time for Henry to turn it on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, RutgersJetFan said: It's really amazing being able to sit back and just enjoy an AFCC. The Pats going down is the best thing to happen to the NFL since ever. 100%. Hell, them going down in the Wild Card made last weekend amazing as well. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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