The QB position has evolved. The future is here now.

[14 in Green]

When a ground breaking new product is introduced, it often serves as a trial balloon of sorts. The second iteration is often better, because a company has time to examine and hear comments about the initial release.

The QB position, and the way it has changed is no different. Mobile QBs who are as dangerous with their legs as they are with their arms are the future of the NFL. We saw the first iteration a few years back, with the likes of RGIII and Cam Newton. They were exciting, and at times dominant. However, they were a prototype, not a finished product. OC's had yet to learn how to design plays that would not only make use of their abilities, or how to protect them from injury. Players like them used their bodies magically, but exposed them to injury.

Enter the second wave... First came Mahomes and Watson. Then a year later Jackson and Allen. This year it was Kyler Murray. Strong armed, mobile, and elusive, every one of them. They are the future of the QB position, and they are here. They're here now, and more are coming.

[jetsons]

5 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

When a ground breaking new product is introduced, it often serves as a trial balloon of sorts. The second iteration is often better, because a company has time to examine and hear comments about the initial release.

The QB position, and the way it has changed is no different. Mobile QBs who are as dangerous with their legs as they are with their arms are the future of the NFL. We saw the first iteration a few years back, with the likes of RGIII and Cam Newton. They were exciting, and at times dominant. However, they were a prototype, not a finished product. OC's had yet to learn how to design plays that would not only make use of their abilities, or how to protect them from injury. Players like them used their bodies magically, but exposed them to injury.

Enter the second wave... First came Mahomes and Watkins. Then a year later Jackson and Allen. This year it was Kyler Murray. Strong armed, mobile, and elusive, every one of them. They are the future of the QB position, and they are here. They're here now, and more are coming.

There is a distinct difference between a "running" QB & a "mobile" QB... running QB's do not last & will not excel in the NFL... Mobile QB's have been in the NFL since the inception of the forward pass... They will always be there... some will succeed some will not just like pocket passing QB's.

[Jets723]

We shall see 

[Tony The Wiz]

1 minute ago, jetsons said:

There is a distinct difference between a "running" QB & a "mobile" QB... "running" QB's do not last & will not excel in the NFL... Mobile QB's have been in the NFL since the inception of the forward pass... They will always be there... some will succeed some will not just like pocket passing QB's.

Exactly.  Anybody heard of Fran Tarkenton !!

[14 in Green]

8 minutes ago, jetsons said:

There is a distinct difference between a "running" QB & a "mobile" QB... running QB's do not last & will not excel in the NFL... Mobile QB's have been in the NFL since the inception of the forward pass... They will always be there... some will succeed some will not just like pocket passing QB's.

That's the same old tired response I keep hearing over and over in this forum.

Open your eyes and look at the game, and the QB position. It's changing, and you refuse to see it.

Mahomes - the best QB in the game, '18 MVP going to the Super Bowl

Watson - Playoff performer and among the top 10 in the game

Jackson - Playoff performer and will be the '19 MVP

Allen - playoff performer, getting better and better

Murray - Soon to be named Rookie of the Year

 

[14 in Green]

11 minutes ago, Tony The Wiz said:

Exactly.  Anybody heard of Fran Tarkenton !!

Or Staubach. lol

He and Tark were outliers though. Now players like them will become more and more the norm...

[fullblast]

Burrow is next.

[HawkeyeJet]

Josh Allen is elusive? Watson has a strong arm?  

This over generalization is silly.  To say all those guys are the same type of QB simply because they are mobile is extremely debatable.  They are all mobile though, that is true.  A lot of difference in all the players listed after mobility though.

[Skeet Ulrich]

We could've drafted one of these new age QBs, however our old GM thought a strong safety was more valuable.

 

[Patriot Killa]

5 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

Murray - Soon to be named Rookie of the Year

Uhh no he’s not. I’m almost sure Nick Bosa or Josh Jacobs get the nod.

[Tony The Wiz]

7 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

That's the same old tired response I keep hearing over and over in this forum.

Open your eyes and look at the game, and the QB position. It's changing, and you refuse to see it.

Mahomes - the best QB in the game, '18 MVP going to the Super Bowl

Watson - Playoff performer and among the top 10 in the game

Jackson - Playoff performer and will be the '19 MVP

Allen - playoff performer, getting better and better

Murray - Soon to be named Rookie of the Year

 

We get it Buddy.  But I remember a time I was watching Tarkenton, Archie Manning and Roger Staubach compete against each other.   

[New York Mick]

Mahomes plays like Young and Elway. Pass first run second. Everyone was saying it changed with Jackson playing the wildcat. Mahomes is a classic mobile QB. 

[JustInFudge]

[Jets723]

3 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

We could've drafted one of these new age QBs, however our old GM thought a strong safety was more valuable.

 

I think we got a good one just gotta build around him now 

[Patriot Killa]

Do I have to pull up Sam Darnold’s high school highlights again to ruin this guy’s day or does anyone else want the honors?

[DJF71]

This is awesome news. So glad we have a mobile QB too.

[T0mShane]

Pat Mahomes runs a 4.8/40 and is about as mobile as Chad Pennington.

[14 in Green]

Just now, Tony The Wiz said:

We get Buddy.  But I remember a time I was watching Tarkenton, Archie Manning and Roger Staubach compete against each other.   

What's old is new again? ? Like I said a few posts back, they were outliers. That won't be the case much longer.

Someone mentioned Burrow, and Lawrence runs well too. The Ohio State QB is another, but many more will follow, and quickly.

[BUM-KNEE]

This is like the 5th iteration....

[14 in Green]

4 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Do I have to pull up Sam Darnold’s high school highlights again to ruin this guy’s day or does anyone else want the honors?

Whatever makes you sleep well at night is fine. If it's Sam in high school, good for you.

Let's stay on topic though, young sir!

[Patriot Killa]

Just now, 14 in Green said:

Whatever makes you sleep at night is fine. If it's Sam in high school, good for you.

Let's stay on topic though, young sir!

Judging by this response, you obv. didn’t see the thread earlier 

[Jets723]

5 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Do I have to pull up Sam Darnold’s high school highlights again to ruin this guy’s day or does anyone else want the honors?

Apparently Sam sucks and we are doomed I guess ? 

[playtowinthegame]

7 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

Mahomes plays like Young and Elway. Pass first run second. Everyone was saying it changed with Jackson playing the wildcat. Mahomes is a classic mobile QB. 

Well said. Nailed it.

[14 in Green]

Just now, Patriot Killa said:

Judging by this response, you obv. didn’t see the thread earlier 

Unless you're talking about this one, no I honestly didn't.

Which one is that?

[yvj]

IMO it'll takes one or two years for defenses and defensive coordinators to adjust. But once the def schemes feature LBs routinely laying wood on franchise qbs the market will correct itself. 

[Patriot Killa]

1 minute ago, Jets723 said:

Apparently Sam sucks and we are doomed I guess ? 

Apparently there’s no hope, all these other QB’s are great and Sam Darnold is trash . He doesn’t even deserve to be brought up in discussions of new era AFC QB’s. Won’t be around in 3 years.

[Patriot Killa]

3 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

Unless you're talking about this one, no I honestly didn't.

Which one is that?

Go to the main page and scroll down.

edit;here

https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/149898-sam-darnold-high-school-highlights/

[Jets723]

Just now, Patriot Killa said:

Apparently there’s no hope, all these other QB’s are great and Sam Darnold is trash . He doesn’t even deserve to be brought up in discussions of new era AFC QB’s. Won’t be around in 3 years.

Yup everything sucks we screwed up ? 

[14 in Green]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Pat Mahomes runs a 4.8/40 and is about as mobile as Chad Pennington.

I'm picturing you trying to tackle his 4.8 rear end, my man.

[Tony The Wiz]

5 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

What's old is new again? ? Like I said a few posts back, they were outliers. That won't be the case much longer.

Someone mentioned Burrow, and Lawrence runs well too. The Ohio State QB is another, but many more will follow, and quickly.

Look I don't know how old you are but today's football does not compare with the late 1960's, 1970's, 1980's and even the 1990's . Today's game the defense is not allowed to play. Look at the QB ratings of today compared to Montana, Marino, Elway, Staubach and Bradshaw.  It is so inflated.   

[Vader]

Dips cracker in Randall Cunningham chopped liver pâté. Rolls eyes. 

[14 in Green]

2 minutes ago, yvj said:

IMO it'll takes one or two years for defenses and defensive coordinators to adjust. But once the def schemes feature LBs routinely laying wood on franchise qbs the market will correct itself. 

Mahomes and Watson finished their third seasons. Jackson and Allen their second.

They're all getting better. Nobody is close to catching up to them.

[joewilly12]

Just now, 14 in Green said:

Mahomes and Watson finished their third seasons. Jackson and Allen their second.

They're all getting better. Nobody is close to catching up to them.

We need to see what  Sam Darnold does  with a decent OL and some weapons. 

[Larz]

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[14 in Green]

1 minute ago, Tony The Wiz said:

Look I don't know how old you are but today's football does not compare with the late 1960's, 1970's, 1980's and even the 1990's . Today's game the defense is not allowed to play. Look at the QB ratings of today compared to Montana, Marino, Elway, Staubach and Bradshaw.  It is so inflated.   

Yeah, ok, but what's your point? If it's that these QBs are protected more by the rules, sure, I a gree. That's only going to make these guys more prevalent, which was MY point.

BTW I'm sure I'm at least as old as you. I remember Namath playing at Alabama, LOL.