Jamal Adams trade proposals

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, Rhg1084 said:

Listen they already offered a 1 and a 3 was declined, it’s not that far fetched to get them to throw in a 2 

[NYJ1]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

61 tackles, 1 INT, 6.5 sacks does not merit a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick, nor does it merit $15-$16mm per year. Get a hold of yourselves.

That's only the beginning. Adams is still an ascending player. So 15 to 16 million per year absolutely is worth it. You need to get a hold of your blind jealousy and hatred for the Jets best player. You have penis envy, remember? Lol

[Losmeister]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I think it's a long shot that he's getting moved this spring, but that is because no one will likely offer up what so many here claim he's definitely worth.

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[UnitedWhofans]

At least a 1 and a 2

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, NYJ1 said:

That's only the beginning. Adams is still an ascending player.

So where do you see him getting better? 

Are you thinking he'll get more INTs?  He hasn't done it in 3 years, and there are reasons (limited athleticism) he doesn't.  

Are you thinking more sacks?  Keep in mind that when we use him as a pass-rusher and he doesn't get to the QB, our weak secondary is tasked with filling in the gap left by Adams in coverage.

He'll get better at doing things that don't matter much in today's NFL.  Like tackling RB's.  

[UnitedWhofans]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

So where do you see him getting better? 

Are you thinking he'll get more INTs?  He hasn't done it in 3 years, and there are reasons (limited athleticism) he doesn't.  

Are you thinking more sacks?  Keep in mind that when we use him as a pass-rusher and he doesn't get to the QB, our weak secondary is tasked with filling in the gap left by Adams in coverage.

He'll get better at doing things that don't matter much in today's NFL.  Like tackling RB's.  

All Pro is All Pro. That has value no matter what position. Except in ST because that's being knocked out of the game

That adds value to his trade worth

[Patriot Killa]

3 hours ago, NYJ1 said:

Joe Douglas already said NO. JD wanted the equivalent to TWO 1st round draft choices. Jerry Jones offered his 1st round draft choice and Tyron Smith. JD countered with a 1st round draft choice and Zach Martin. I agree with JD. I would have also traded Jamal for that but Jerry Jones refused and that's where the talks broke down. A 1st and a 3rd for Jamal Adams is the Jets getting fleeced. It would prove the Jets, as an organization, have no idea what the hell they're doing. It would they're the Browns of the AFCE.

He never offered Smith lol otherwise he’d be in Dallas already.

[NYJ1]

2 hours ago, varjet said:

So, let's look at where the Jets and Cowboys are after not making that trade?

The Jets have no WR or OL and are picking lower because Adams played like a man possessed during the end of the season.  

The Cowboys missed the playoffs playing in the NFC East despite having a strong roster.   Adams could have helped close out some games.  

So if Jerry trades for him and promises under the table to extend him next year (and buys him insurance), and the Cowboys make a push to make the playoffs in 2020, doesn't everyone win?

Are you even listening to yourself?

First of all, this is a JETS message board. Who gives a flying f*ck about the Cowboys? If you're a Jets fan you shouldn't either. 

Second of all, you're actually going to blame Jamal Adams for the Jets picking at 11? I've heard some really weird things from Jets fans but this might top them all. I'm sure Jamal Adams is very sorry he disappointed you.

Third of all, you don't trade your very best player for draft picks. Draft picks are a CRAP SHOOT. You never know if they'll work out. Knowing Jets GM's and prehistory of HORRID drafting, odds are those draft picks you talk about would get the Jets NOTHING.

Fourth, JD just needs to start drafting well. There's never any rush to trade your best players of your GM actually drafts talent consistently. In fact, those teams that draft well, stockpile talent. He doesn't need to make desperate, ill-advised moves like they need to go to the SB next season. There's nothing JD could do to make this team SB ready in one season.

[The Crusher]

4 hours ago, LAD_Brooklyn said:

How about we trade Sam Darnold instead of Jamal.

For what exactly? HMMMM?

[BROOKLYN JET]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

61 tackles, 1 INT, 6.5 sacks does not merit a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick, nor does it merit $15-$16mm per year. Get a hold of yourselves.

They should have to pay extra just for the right to trade for JamAllPro. #PTL

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

So where do you see him getting better? 

Are you thinking he'll get more INTs?  He hasn't done it in 3 years, and there are reasons (limited athleticism) he doesn't.  

Are you thinking more sacks?  Keep in mind that when we use him as a pass-rusher and he doesn't get to the QB, our weak secondary is tasked with filling in the gap left by Adams in coverage.

He'll get better at doing things that don't matter much in today's NFL.  Like tackling RB's.  

Limited athleticism?? Huh?

He could get more INTs if this team ever decides to address the pass rusher problem. And can play back in coverage more. Just experience each year can make him play faster and more instinctful. 

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, NYJ1 said:

That's only the beginning. Adams is still an ascending player. So 15 to 16 million per year absolutely is worth it. You need to get a hold of your blind jealousy and hatred for the Jets best player. You have penis envy, remember? Lol

He’s the same player now that he was as a sophomore at LSU.

[HawkeyeJet]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

So where do you see him getting better? 

Are you thinking he'll get more INTs?  He hasn't done it in 3 years, and there are reasons (limited athleticism) he doesn't.  

Are you thinking more sacks?  Keep in mind that when we use him as a pass-rusher and he doesn't get to the QB, our weak secondary is tasked with filling in the gap left by Adams in coverage.

He'll get better at doing things that don't matter much in today's NFL.  Like tackling RB's.  

His limited athleticism is now why he doesn't get interceptions?  It used to be that he can't cover.  Tyrran Mathieu lead NFL strong safeties with 4 interceptions.  He and Adams have very similar athletic makeups according to their combine numbers, but Adams does it at 25 lbs heavier.  I doubt many think Mathieu has limited athleticism.

The goal posts continually move in terms of what exactly it is that Adams isn't good at.

[Jetsfan80]

9 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

 His limited athleticism is now why he doesn't get interceptions?  It used to be that he can't cover.  Tyrran Mathieu lead NFL strong safeties with 4 interceptions.  He and Adams have very similar athletic makeups according to their combine numbers, but Adams does it at 25 lbs heavier.  I doubt many think Mathieu has limited athleticism.

The goal posts continually move in terms of what exactly it is that Adams isn't good at.

 

It's always been his limited athleticism.  And that same limited athleticism affects his ability to cover WRs.  

I can't speak to what others argue about but that's consistently been the biggest knock on Adams.  It won't let me post the image but the chart in the article below demonstrated it very clearly. 

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2017/4/17/15323978/finding-the-superior-athlete-sparq-safeties-in-the-2017-nfl-draft

 

SPARQ_S_2017.0.webp

[Beerfish]

7 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said:

Limited athleticism?? Huh?

He could get more INTs if this team ever decides to address the pass rusher problem. And can play back in coverage more. Just experience each year can make him play faster and more instinctful. 

If or when this team addresses the pass rushing issue Jamal will be severely exposed when he is asked to do what most safeties in this league are asked to do.  We get a pass rusher (thanks mac for passing on josh allen) and jamal will not be in the conversation for 'pro bowl'

[Jetsfan80]

16 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said:

Limited athleticism?? Huh?

He could get more INTs if this team ever decides to address the pass rusher problem. And can play back in coverage more. Just experience each year can make him play faster and more instinctful. 

He was playing in coverage plenty his first 2 years.  Result?  1 INT.  

Either he's a Linebacker who is pretty good in coverage for a Linebacker or a very good/elite Box Safety.  

He won't get significantly better at the stuff that actually matters in order to justify the 2nd contract he's going to look for.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

6 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

If or when this team addresses the pass rushing issue Jamal will be severely exposed when he is asked to do what most safeties in this league are asked to do.  We get a pass rusher (thanks mac for passing on josh allen) and jamal will not be in the conversation for 'pro bowl'

If they got a legit pass rusher, he’d prob get even more sacks. So ehhhh, he’d still get a pro bowl nod. 

[Beerfish]

Jamal when being asked to cover not blitz.....

 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, Beerfish said:

Jamal when being asked to cover not blitz.....

 

 

Great tackle tho

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said:

If they got a legit pass rusher, he’d prob get even more sacks. So ehhhh, he’d still get a pro bowl nod. 

Oh so he's a Linebacker.

[T0mShane]

14 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

His limited athleticism is now why he doesn't get interceptions?  It used to be that he can't cover.  Tyrran Mathieu lead NFL strong safeties with 4 interceptions.  He and Adams have very similar athletic makeups according to their combine numbers, but Adams does it at 25 lbs heavier.  I doubt many think Mathieu has limited athleticism.

The goal posts continually move in terms of what exactly it is that Adams isn't good at.

Mathieu is a corner playing safety. Adams is a linebacker playing safety.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Oh so he's a Linebacker.

I don’t give a F what you wanna call him. He’s playing at a high level, effects those around him and continues to make game changing plays. 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Samtorobby47 said:

continues to make game changing plays.

When

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

When

On Sundays. 

[HawkeyeJet]

16 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Mathieu is a corner playing safety. Adams is a linebacker playing safety.

My point is it isn't elite athleticism that makes Mathieu what he is or lack of elite athleticism makes whatever people think Adams isn't.

 

[HawkeyeJet]

20 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Jamal when being asked to cover not blitz.....

 

His QB rating when targeted is among the top 5 in the NFL among safeties.  The narrative that he can't and doesn't cover is just, ugh.  

[More Cowbell]

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Dallas?

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, HawkeyeJet said:

My point is it isn't elite athleticism that makes Mathieu what he is or lack of elite athleticism makes whatever people think Adams isn't.

 

The athleticism issue with Adams is a thing because of where he was drafted. A safety drafted at six, you’d think, would test like Eric Berry or Earl Thomas-type freaks, which makes them unique talents and, as such, worth the unique investment. Adams tested like your typical safety, which you can find all over the draft board. 

[Rhg1084]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The athleticism issue with Adams is a thing because of where he was drafted. A safety drafted at six, you’d think, would test like Eric Berry or Earl Thomas-type freaks, which makes them unique talents and, as such, worth the unique investment. Adams tested like your typical safety, which you can find all over the draft board. 

Adams is an all pro player, if you can get that talent all over the draft board then Adams is the best.  The purpose of this thread was to see what kind of trade packages we’d get in return for him. He’s obviously the best in the league at what he does 

[joewilly12]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The athleticism issue with Adams is a thing because of where he was drafted. A safety drafted at six, you’d think, would test like Eric Berry or Earl Thomas-type freaks, which makes them unique talents and, as such, worth the unique investment. Adams tested like your typical safety, which you can find all over the draft board. 

You do realize Jamal Adams lines up where the DC tells him to line up and where to play.

In your terms you get to the clothing bin box and the police officer tells you no reaching in or standing on items to dig in the box you can only scavage what's on the ground or from the bags piled up around the box. 

[Alka]

5 hours ago, NYJ1 said:

Joe Douglas already said NO. JD wanted the equivalent to TWO 1st round draft choices. Jerry Jones offered his 1st round draft choice and Tyron Smith. JD countered with a 1st round draft choice and Zach Martin. I agree with JD. I would have also traded Jamal for that but Jerry Jones refused and that's where the talks broke down. A 1st and a 3rd for Jamal Adams is the Jets getting fleeced. It would prove the Jets, as an organization, have no idea what the hell they're doing. It would they're the Browns of the AFCE.

You're a smart guy.  I completely agree.  

[T0mShane]

11 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

Adams is an all pro player, if you can get that talent all over the draft board then Adams is the best.  The purpose of this thread was to see what kind of trade packages we’d get in return for him. He’s obviously the best in the league at what he does 

Which isn’t within five thousand nautical miles of a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, so the opening post of this thread is kind of moot. We’re doing a postmortem of why we’ll have to accept less for a defensive back who doesn’t make plays on the ball. 

[Philc1]

2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

At least a 1 and a 2

We only got a 1 for Revis who was a way more valuable player

[NYJ1]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

If or when this team addresses the pass rushing issue Jamal will be severely exposed when he is asked to do what most safeties in this league are asked to do.  We get a pass rusher (thanks mac for passing on josh allen) and jamal will not be in the conversation for 'pro bowl'

You're drinking too much, beerfish. This has got to be probably the most nitwitted post you've ever typed. I will bet you ANY amount of money that you are wrong and not just wrong, but going down in flames WRONG.

[T0mShane]

5 hours ago, NYJ1 said:

Jerry Jones offered his 1st round draft choice and Tyron Smith. JD countered with a 1st round draft choice and Zach Martin

This is kookaburra false