Costello's comments from former Gase players-Counter Mehta

[Scott Dierking]

Adam Gase’s former players urge Jets fans to ‘just relax’

By Brian Costello

February 1, 2020 | 3:05pm | Updated

 

MIAMI — Three of Adam Gase’s former players will be taking the field Sunday in Super Bowl 2020.

Those players each said Jets fans need to have some patience with the coach.

“Just relax, man, let the man do his job,” 49ers wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders said when asked what he would say to Jets fans. “It’s not gonna happen overnight. Nothing really happens overnight. It’s gonna be a process, you gotta get the right players in.”

Sanders played under Gase in 2014, when Gase was the offensive coordinator with the Broncos. Two of Gase’s former Dolphins players are on the Chiefs. Backup quarterback Matt Moore and running back Damien Williams played for Gase in Miami and are now back here looking for a ring.

All three praised Gase’s coaching and offensive mind, something Jets fans are skeptical about after the team finished last in the league in offense in his first season.

Another popular question has been about some of Gase’s former players flourishing this year and whether that was because they are being coached better now. The most notable is Titans quarterback Ryan Tannehill, who had a career year after struggling at times in Miami under Gase.

“I don’t think that’s fair,” said Moore, who was Tannehill’s backup in 2016 and 2017 under Gase. “I think Adam’s a great offensive coach. Like anything, it takes time. I think he’s unique when he stands at the podium, for sure. I’m sure that’s part of it for fans, but the guy knows his stuff.”

Williams has scored five touchdowns in these playoffs for Kansas City, and he also has been lumped in with Tannehill as players performing better away from Gase, a premise the running back disagrees with.

“It’s timing,” Williams said. “At the end of the day when Gase was here, we went to the playoffs. Tannehill had a great year that year and then ended up getting hurt. I feel like if that didn’t happen, it would have been a different story. I feel like Gase did a great job of coming in and turning that organization around.”

Williams credited Gase with making him a more complete running back, which he said has helped him in Andy Reid’s offense.

Sanders said Gase can flourish if the Jets’ roster improves.

“Obviously I’m sure Jets fans are upset, but at the same time, people gotta understand how hard it is to win in this league,” Sanders said. “When Kyle [Shanahan] first got here, they lost a lot of games, then last year they didn’t have a good year, and now we’re back in the Super Bowl ’cause we plugged in key players like [Nick] Bosa, like myself, like other guys, and then everything started to click. I hope that happens with Gase as well.”

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

Ehhhhhhhh. It's all lies. I'm going with Manish on this one. He knows and gets the truth. Always.

[Scott Dierking]

Sportswriters typically have each other's back, and look out and help tip each other.

This article is a definite rebuke of Mehta and he is outside the circle.

[slimjasi]

Just like anyone else in the league, Gase has guys who like him and guys who don’t. 

[Adoni Beast]

Any of them could have easily jumped on the Hate Gase train and didn’t. Or they could have just said nothing if they didn’t want to start trouble.

But they all praised him. So, let’s see what happens with a better roster.

[T0mShane]

Costello has found a nice niche counter-trolling Mehta’s trash. Good on him.

[Scott Dierking]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Costello has found a nice niche counter-trolling Mehta’s trash. Good on him.

I am also sure that he will be rewarded by the organization for this also. Expect him to have some of the real inside scoops.

[Long Island Leprechaun]

Gase has been a mixed bag, to say the least. It's not all on the players. On the other hand, pitchforks and torches are a bit premature. 

[T0mShane]

10 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Sportswriters typically have each other's back, and look out and help tip each other.

This article is a definite rebuke of Mehta and he is outside the circle.

I’ve never seen journalists dunk on another writer as much or as joyously as they all did when Mehta was exposed as Gase’s burner account. The only things I’ve ever seen that were comparable was the professional hate for Skip Bayless when he implied Troy Aikman was gay, and for Chris Cilizza, who is the Stephen A Smith of political journalism

[Beerfish]

Gase can flourish with the Jets as long as they get an all world defense like Denver had and a HOF top 3 of all time QB like Manning.

Miami should have given him another 3 or 4 years it seems and a #1 Wr like Devante parker.

[JetsFanatic]

49 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Sportswriters typically have each other's back, and look out and help tip each other.

This article is a definite rebuke of Mehta and he is outside the circle.

Mehta is an ass hole who has his own agenda.

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Costello has found a nice niche counter-trolling Mehta’s trash. Good on him.

With actual quotes from players, not.....

SAUCES.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

43 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Gase can flourish with the Jets as long as they get an all world defense like Denver had and a HOF top 3 of all time QB like Manning.

Miami should have given him another 3 or 4 years it seems and a #1 Wr like Devante parker.

Tannehill, Drake AND Parker?!? Could you imagine the possibilities????

[FidelioJet]

1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

Adam Gase’s former players urge Jets fans to ‘just relax’

By Brian Costello

February 1, 2020 | 3:05pm | Updated

 

“It’s timing,” Williams said. “At the end of the day when Gase was here, we went to the playoffs. Tannehill had a great year that year and then ended up getting hurt. I feel like if that didn’t happen, it would have been a different story. I feel like Gase did a great job of coming in and turning that organization around.”

 

Ha!  Any article that claims Gase turned the organization around loses all credibility.

 

 

[Jetster]

51 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Gase can flourish with the Jets as long as they get an all world defense like Denver had and a HOF top 3 of all time QB like Manning.

Miami should have given him another 3 or 4 years it seems and a #1 Wr like Devante parker.

There is only one coach who has won more than 1 Super Bowl without a top 3 defense or a great QB & that's Joe Gibbs. 

Its almost always about the players! Barry Switzer won a freaking Super Bowl with Jimmy Johnsons Cowboys. 

Gase needs a lot more very good players just like any other Head Coach to consistently win. 

[SAR I]

SAR I

[FidelioJet]

5 minutes ago, Jetster said:

There is only one coach who has won more than 1 Super Bowl without a top 3 defense or a great QB & that's Joe Gibbs. 

Its almost always about the players! Barry Switzer won a freaking Super Bowl with Jimmy Johnsons Cowboys. 

Gase needs a lot more very good players just like any other Head Coach to consistently win. 

Nobody expected him to win a Super Bowl but how about not producing the worst offense in the league?

or delivering the 24th, 25th, 31st and 32nd offense in the league.....progressively getting worse.

The guy isn’t a good coach...

[Beerfish]

5 minutes ago, Jetster said:

There is only one coach who has won more than 1 Super Bowl without a top 3 defense or a great QB & that's Joe Gibbs. 

Its almost always about the players! Barry Switzer won a freaking Super Bowl with Jimmy Johnsons Cowboys. 

Gase needs a lot more very good players just like any other Head Coach to consistently win. 

No disputing that a team needs talent.

My issues with Gase are that a) he did nothing at all of note in Miami, he was given 3 years and his big job was to take a young Qb to the next step.  He failed, he was not impressive with the Phins at all.  b) He is an offensive coach, that is his claim to fame.  Our offense was dead last in the league, while our DC with limited talent got around a middle of the pack result, ,our guru Offensive coach got no results.

I saw nothing to suggest Gase would be a good head coach before he was hired here, I've seen nothing after year one here to suggest he will be a good coach.

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

. I think he’s unique when he stands at the podium, for sure. I’m sure that’s part of it for fans, but the guy knows his stuff.”

This, from Matt Moore, really gets at what I’ve been saying about Gase (and Mangini,  and Parcells, etc). Way too much of how fans perceive Jets coaches is based on how much those coaches try to kiss the fans’ asses. Herm did it masterfully and Rex was obsessed with fellating the base, both here and in Buffalo, and as a result, fans gave both of those guys a pass for way too long, and they both held onto their jobs for way too long. You’d like to think that we’re above this sort of nonsense, but we’re not. Both Rex and Herm went to smaller markets, tried slinging that “best fans in the league” bullsh*t, and both were run out of those towns in under three seasons because those fans don’t give a sh*t about getting their balls rubbed, they just want to win. Is it that Jets fans simply don’t expect to win, so they factor in how the coach makes them *feel* instead? 

[Jet Nut]

An article quoting players to relax, show patience to this fanbase?

LOL, really? 

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

All three praised Gase’s coaching and offensive mind, something Jets fans are skeptical about after the team finished last in the league in offense in his first season.

So perhaps it's not his "mind", it's just his execution the past four years that's poor?

After a time, you are what your record says you are.  Four years as Head Coach, four bottom-of-the-league finishes on Offense, one a dead last finish (us).

At what point is a supposedly "brilliant offensive mind",  who always finished towards the bottom in offense,  a failure at execution then?

[Losmeister]

19 minutes ago, Jetster said:

There is only one coach who has won more than 1 Super Bowl without a top 3 defense or a great QB & that's Joe Gibbs. 

Its almost always about the players! Barry Switzer won a freaking Super Bowl with Jimmy Johnsons Cowboys. 

Gase needs a lot more very good players just like any other Head Coach to consistently win. 

george siefert

[jetstream23]

Who the heck downvotes a post that simply shares an article as is with no additional commentary or opinion? Weird. 

[joewilly12]

1 hour ago, SAR I said:

SAR I

@SAR I  Is that you? 

[FidelioJet]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

This, from Matt Moore, really gets at what I’ve been saying about Gase (and Mangini,  and Parcells, etc). Way too much of how fans perceive Jets coaches is based on how much those coaches try to kiss the fans’ asses. Herm did it masterfully and Rex was obsessed with fellating the base, both here and in Buffalo, and as a result, fans gave both of those guys a pass for way too long, and they both held onto their jobs for way too long. You’d like to think that we’re above this sort of nonsense, but we’re not. Both Rex and Herm went to smaller markets, tried slinging that “best fans in the league” bullsh*t, and both were run out of those towns in under three seasons because those fans don’t give a sh*t about getting their balls rubbed, they just want to win. Is it that Jets fans simply don’t expect to win, so they factor in how the coach makes them *feel* instead? 

They both won playoff games. That’s why they got more time from the fans. 

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Way too much of how fans perceive Jets coaches is based on how much those coaches try to kiss the fans’ asses. Herm did it masterfully and Rex was obsessed with fellating the base, both here and in Buffalo, and as a result, fans gave both of those guys a pass for way too long, and they both held onto their jobs for way too long.

A (f-cking) men.

Jets fans are consuuuuuuuuuumed with perception.  Herm, Rex, Chad, these clowns were fan favorites for all the wrong reasons.

SAR I

[Mogglez]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

So perhaps it's not his "mind", it's just his execution the past four years that's poor?

After a time, you are what your record says you are.  Four years as Head Coach, four bottom-of-the-league finishes on Offense, one a dead last finish (us).

At what point is a supposedly "brilliant offensive mind",  who always finished towards the bottom in offense,  a failure at execution then?

Kyle Shanahan's offense (DVOA) from 2018, when he had a bad roster and an amount of injuries similar to us in their severity:

In 2017: 20th overall.

Are we gonna slam  Shanahan for regression from 2017 to 2018 without looking at the context of the situations?

I'm not a Gase defender, per se, but this is pretty simple.  No matter how great of an offensive coach you are, when the talent at skill positions and OL are horrible and the injuries stack up, especially at QB, you can't compensate to even get middle of the pack numbers.  Are there outliers there?  I'm sure there are, but most of the time this is what happens.  Gase had horrible rosters in Miami, and to top it off, his QB was never healthy.  As a head coach, when he had talent and his starting QB, (until Tannehill got hurt at the end of the season) he went to the playoffs and his offense finished in a respectable place, despite trotting out Matt Moore for 4 games (He threw for 8 Tds and 3INTs at 8.3 YPA over this stretch, at 33 Years old).

This is why I am ultimately willing to give the guy another year.  Maccagnan did such a poor job constructing this roster, it's hard to think of any coach that could have done any differently, let alone better under the circumstances.  If Joe Douglas can successfully revamp this roster and nothing changes?  Well that is something that will need to be addressed after next season. 

Quite frankly, we overachieved this year.  If Bowles was the HC and finished 7-9 after a 1-7 start, with all these injuries, the consensus around the league and throughout the fanbase would be that he should be in the running for Coach Of The Year.  As T0m already said, Gase isn't a Rex Ryan/Bowles/Herm/etc. type.  He isn't going to kiss the fanbases ass, and he isn't always going to be the most likeable guy.  His attitude is more along the lines of Parcells and BB.  The players here needed that after years of running their own ship unsupervised and without discipline.  That won't win hearts over and that's why, in my opinion, the good he actually did do this season is overlooked.

[JoJoTownsell1]

3 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

 

“It’s timing,” Williams said. “At the end of the day when Gase was here, we went to the playoffs. Tannehill had a great year that year and then ended up getting hurt. I feel like if that didn’t happen, it would have been a different story. I feel like Gase did a great job of coming in and turning that organization around.”

Most SOJFs will ignore this. Gase coached Tannehill to an 8-5 record in 2016. The Fish went on to go 10-6 that year. 

And let's be real, guys like Tannehill, Damien Williams aren't anything special. Sure, Tannehill did an incredible job handing the ball off to Henry this year and Damien Williams can do some things with Mahomes at QB, but let's not act as if these guys are studs in any way shape or form. 

I am not ready to lock Gase up to a 10 year contract. Far from it. But he deserves some more time to prove himself with the Jets. 

With that said, this is mostly a product of sensitive Jets fan who can't handle the fact that their Head Coach had goofy eyes during an interview. SOJFs are just easily triggered. 

[SAR I]

9 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

With that said, this is mostly a product of sensitive Jets fan who can't handle the fact that their Head Coach had goofy eyes during an interview. SOJFs are just easily triggered. 

Google eyes, Buttfumble, "Kiss His Rings", it's all the SOJF cares about.  Water cooler teasing.  Perception.  Not reality.

SAR I

[Warfish]

20 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Quite frankly, we overachieved this year.

Dead last in Offense = Overachieved.

We're back to basically arguing that "when Gase has all-pros at every position that all stay 100% healthy, THEN he'll show us".

 

[FidelioJet]

29 minutes ago, SAR I said:

A (f-cking) men.

Jets fans are consuuuuuuuuuumed with perception.  Herm, Rex, Chad, these clowns were fan favorites for all the wrong reasons.

SAR I

I’ll say it again, Herm and Rex won playoff games - that’s why they were fan favorites.  A franchise with precious few playoff wins might give guys that won them a game or two A bit more time.

[Mogglez]

7 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I’ll say it again, Herm and Rex won playoff games - that’s why they were fan favorites.  A franchise with precious few playoff wins might give guys that won them a game or two A bit more time.

Rex made it to the playoffs in 2009 with a whopping two more wins than Gase, and he had a Super Bowl caliber roster that he had absolutely nothing to do with.  When tasked with coaching a roster with his hands on it, he was a total sh*tshow.  The love some people have for that buffoon is completely unwarranted.

[Long Island Leprechaun]

2 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

Nobody expected him to win a Super Bowl but how about not producing the worst offense in the league?

or delivering the 24th, 25th, 31st and 32nd offense in the league.....progressively getting worse.

The guy isn’t a good coach...

Third and fourth string QB's who shouldn't be in the NFL behind an OL from hell will do that to you. 

[Mogglez]

18 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Dead last in Offense = Overachieved.

We're back to basically arguing that "when Gase has all-pros at every position that all stay 100% healthy, THEN he'll show us".

 

7-9, after starting 1-7, is almost unheard of, especially given what happened to the already depleted roster this year.

Also, the meat of my post already explained what happens to offensive rankings when even Super Bowl caliber coaches have talent deficiencies and injuries decimate their teams.  It also clearly explained that Gase doesn't need "all-pros at every position that all stay 100% healthy" to finish in a respectable spot both record wise and in the offensive rankings. Once again, In 2016 he took an "okay" roster with injuries at QB1, RB1 and other positions to the playoffs and a respectable finish in the offensive rankings.

[Beerfish]

3 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

Third and fourth string QB's who shouldn't be in the NFL behind an OL from hell will do that to you. 

A full half dozen teams in this league had to go to 3rd stringers and remained at least functional.

Gase hand chose Falk as his 3rd stringer, he also gave him no #1 reps in a week he had to start.

Gase is terrible and got the least amount out of what he had to work with.

Gregg Williams lost both starting ilbs, had legendary guys like mallet and bless austin at CB and got the most out of his talent.

IF you are a really good coach you get something out of talent problems, if you are a bad or mediocre coach you get nothing unless you are flush with talent.