CTM Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jets723 said: Exactly. I give KC tremendous credit. They built around their you g QB perfectly. What's weird is a lot of the people that say the biggest difference between Darnold and Mahommes is supporting talent and coaching are the same guys that think we should make JA the highest paid safety in league history rather than move for assets on O I don't understand holding both of those opinions in one head at the same time, particularly in a the best QB in football just won the SB thread 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, SAR I said: I understand, and maybe they'll come around by July, but the 2019 couldn't have gone any better and things look very bright for 2020. I feel good. We need everyone else to get onboard. SAR I Onboard of what? We all hope and pray for the best results for the NY Jest no fan on this board needs to get onboard of anything we are here and have been onboard. joewilly12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jets723 said: I just think we should have some hope. Things are gonna get better. I honestly believe that. Look at the 49ers and their quick turnaround. We just need one good offseason. I understand frustration but after a while all the negativity is too much The only way things get better is if Joe Douglas drafts well. Everything else is just noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, SAR I said: I understand, and maybe they'll come around by July, but the 2019 couldn't have gone any better and things look very bright for 2020. I feel good. We need everyone else to get onboard. SAR I Agreed. I’m not saying we should ignore criticism of our team but things aren’t doom and gloom. It’s unfortunate this year we were decimated by injuries because it could have been a much different year but it’s just how it went. Like I mentioned in another post if Douglas has a good offseason things will get really good really fast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 30 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: 1. Mahomes 2. Watson 3. McCaffrey 4. Kamara 5. Kittle 6. Juju Smith-Schuster 7. Tre'Davious White 8. TJ Watt 9. OT Ryan Ramcyzk 10. Eddie Jackson 11. Dalvin Cook 12. Jamal Adams nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jets723 said: I just think we should have some hope. Things are gonna get better. I honestly believe that. Look at the 49ers and their quick turnaround. We just need one good offseason. I understand frustration but after a while all the negativity is too much Hello this is Jetnation have we met 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jets723 said: I just think we should have some hope. Things are gonna get better. I honestly believe that. Look at the 49ers and their quick turnaround. We just need one good offseason. I understand frustration but after a while all the negativity is too much The SOJF is programmed to be negative. We need to help them see the light. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, CTM said: What's weird is a lot of the people that say the biggest difference between Darnold and Mahommes is supporting talent and coaching are the same guys that think we should make JA the highest paid safety in league history rather than move for assets on O I don't understand holding both of those opinions in one head at the same time, particularly in a the best QB in football just won the SB thread They think Douglas should be able to bring in 3-4 new starting OL and 1-2 new starting WRs without trading Jamal. They also still operate under the delusion that quality free agent OL and WRs break loose AND want to come here. AND that we still have the most cap space (we don't, thanks to CJ Mosley). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just now, SAR I said: The SOJF is programmed to be negative. The Jets haven't made the playoffs since 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, CTM said: What's weird is a lot of the people that say the biggest difference between Darnold and Mahommes is supporting talent and coaching are the same guys that think we should make JA the highest paid safety in league history rather than move for assets on O I don't understand holding both of those opinions in one head at the same time, particularly in a the best QB in football just won the SB thread Personally I’m not a fan of Adams. I don’t want to give him a monster contract. My only issue is accepting a subpar trade package. Im fine trading him But I want a lot back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: They think Douglas should be able to bring in 3-4 new starting OL and 1-2 new starting WRs without trading Jamal. They also still operate under the delusion that quality free agent OL and WRs break loose AND want to come here. AND that we have the most cap space (we don't, thanks to CJ Mosley). Many delusions being operated under 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: He's actually 24-7 in the regular season for his career. 1 of those losses he was hurt. 28-8 if you include the postseason. #Mediocre Patrick Mahomes isn't mediocre; the Chiefs are. So are all the other teams in the AFC. The gap between the Jets and the playoff teams is razor-thin. Chin up, sad sack. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: So where would he go? 50 TD down to.....35 TD? That still would have led the league that year. When you throw 15 TD more than any other QB in the league, you're special. When you have back-to-back 12-4 seasons as a QB, you're special. When you perform like you did in the 2019 postseason leading up to the Super Bowl, then lead a comeback win over the # 1 defense, you're special. Today is the wrong day to be questioning whether he's an elite QB in any circumstance. Considering how raw he was coming out of college and the fact that he would have likely been starting from day one with our horrendous roster? Probably wouldn't have hit 35 either. I'm not denying that he isn't elite or special. I said that in my reply to another poster. I'm saying that the kid was an elite physical specimen that was put into such an ideal situation that it was not shocking that he developed into what he is today. The Mahomes you see today doesn't even remotely resemble the kid from TT. That kid had atrocious footwork, mechanics, had never had to go through progressions or reads, and had never taken a snap from under center. Andy Reid took on a Josh Allen/Cam Newton-like like project (elite measurables and raw tools) and molded him to a QB that is fantastic in every regard. That doesn't happen on an unstable team with terrible talent. Period. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Pac said: nope. Can we see your list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, CTM said: He would. Top 10 almost certainly What he probably wouldnt be is by far the best QB in football over the past 2 seasons Maybe. I don't think he would be here, Cleveland, or Chicago i.e. teams that should have taken him in hindsight, but maybe in Houston, seeing as B.O.B developed Watson pretty well despite his flaws in other areas as a HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just now, dbatesman said: Can we see your list Yes he put this together earlier in his favorite medium 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Can we see your list this looks close https://www.radio.com/sports/nfl/gallery/mock-2017-nfl-re-draft-patrick-mahomes-goes-no-1-to-browns#new-york-jets--jamal-adams-ck5txn2mf001b3h62m4kcwy2g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Maybe. I don't think he would be here, Cleveland, or Chicago i.e. teams that should have taken him in hindsight, but maybe in Houston, seeing as B.O.B developed Watson pretty well despite his flaws in other areas as a HC. Baker had one of the better rookie qb seasons I van remember and then spent the offseason making commercials and reading his own press Darnold had had several runs of top 1/3 QB play, just not sustained Mahommes is way more talented than both of them and way more down to earth than baker. He was going to be good anywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said: Safe to say Adams over Mahomes is right up with passing on Marino and Sapp at this point. Oh Jets, you never let me down. That's just absurd. I never heard anybody- ANYBODY - saying draft Mahomes in that draft. The Chiefs shocked the NFL by moving up to get him where they did. this is almost like saying the Jets screwed up by not drafting Joe Montana in 1979. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Pac said: this looks close https://www.radio.com/sports/nfl/gallery/mock-2017-nfl-re-draft-patrick-mahomes-goes-no-1-to-browns#new-york-jets--jamal-adams-ck5txn2mf001b3h62m4kcwy2g Ah yes. The esteemed publication, Radio.com. And even these idiots had Mahomes and Watson 5 picks ahead of Adams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pac said: this looks close https://www.radio.com/sports/nfl/gallery/mock-2017-nfl-re-draft-patrick-mahomes-goes-no-1-to-browns#new-york-jets--jamal-adams-ck5txn2mf001b3h62m4kcwy2g Damn...Jets got a bargain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just now, Joe Willie White Shoes said: That's just absurd. I never heard anybody- ANYBODY - saying draft Mahomes in that draft. The Chiefs shocked the NFL by moving up to get him where they did. this is almost like saying the Jets screwed up by not drafting Joe Montana in 1979. Oh well if YOU never heard anybody. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just now, Joe Willie White Shoes said: That's just absurd. I never heard anybody- ANYBODY - saying draft Mahomes in that draft. The Chiefs shocked the NFL by moving up to get him where they did. this is almost like saying the Jets screwed up by not drafting Joe Montana in 1979. For once I'd like for our GM to outsmart the other NFL GMs. Watson would have been a far better pick than Adams. We'd also still have those three 2nd rounders back. No matter how you splice it, the pick was a bad one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pac said: this looks close https://www.radio.com/sports/nfl/gallery/mock-2017-nfl-re-draft-patrick-mahomes-goes-no-1-to-browns#new-york-jets--jamal-adams-ck5txn2mf001b3h62m4kcwy2g So you prove that Adam's wouldnt be there at 6 in a redraft with a link to a redraft article with Adam's taken at 6 Pac'd 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just now, RutgersJetFan said: Oh well if YOU never heard anybody. Mahommes was 23rd on my big board, so you cant blame the Jets for not taking him at 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, CTM said: So you prove that Adam's wouldnt be there at 6 in a redraft with a link to a redraft article with Adam's taken at 6 Pac'd lmfao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 The battles between Mahomes and Darnold are going to be wild for the next decade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: The Jets haven't made the playoffs since 2010. And the Jets would have made the playoffs this year if Darnold didn't have mono and we had a kicker. So quit your b-tching and get onboard the happy train. We just need WR's and a hot Darnold. Take Jackson off Baltimore and Mahomes off Kansas City and they're the Jets in purple and red uniforms. It's about the QB and the WR's. A draft or two. We good. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: For once I'd like for our GM to outsmart the other NFL GMs. Watson would have been a far better pick than Adams. We'd also still have those three 2nd rounders back. No matter how you splice it, the pick was a bad one. I didnt know either but in such a case generally would defer to Qbase who had Mahommes rated #1 They really wiffed on Watson though do far 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Mahommes was 23rd on my big board, so you cant blame the Jets for not taking him at 6 Glad we're basing whether or not we're allowed to talk about stuff now on Tom Shane's mock drafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, CTM said: I didnt know either but in such a case generally would refer to Qbase who had Mahommes rated #1 They really wiffed on Watson though do far QBase has since acknowledged they placed too much weight on the talent Watson had surrounding him at Clemson. Once again the WEPPPINZZZ argument mostly falls flat. You can have a lot of talent around you AND still be a very good QB. Imagine that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: That's just absurd. I never heard anybody- ANYBODY - saying draft Mahomes in that draft. The Chiefs shocked the NFL by moving up to get him where they did. this is almost like saying the Jets screwed up by not drafting Joe Montana in 1979. Were you on this board during that draft LOTS of these guys were saying to draft him not me, I didn’t believe in drafting tech qbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, CTM said: So you prove that Adam's wouldnt be there at 6 in a redraft with a link to a redraft article with Adam's taken at 6 Pac'd I said it was close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 47 minutes ago, Bugg said: Critical sequence; roughly 1:30 left, 3 timeouts right before half,decent field position, Niners pull in the horns, even calling a running play. Simply not winning football. Disgustingly conservative. I was shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Glad we're basing whether or not we're allowed to talk about stuff now on Tom Shane's mock drafts. If your being fair? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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