jgb Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Feel free to explain your reasoning. I went Idzik. Idzik's dirty dozen was just such an outrageous whiff and with a catchy historical name, I believe he will go down as the worst of the worst. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt39 Posted February 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 Idzik had an overarching plan that made some sense. Mac didnt. Both were horrendous at the draft. Mac was willing to overpay in FA and Idzik wasn't. Both were hired due to the parameters set by ownership and better candidates turned down interviews because of said parameters. In the end, Maccagnan was worse because he got more time and passed on Watson and Mahomes (Bowles had influence here too). We have no idea what Joe Douglas is or what he's going to be- but it's going to take some real effort to be worse. He's not exactly batting after Babe Ruth. 17 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JetsFanatic Posted February 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 Idzik actually had a plan in place, but did not have the expertise required to carry it out. I did not vote because both did not do a good job, it’s immaterial who may have been worse. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BigRy56 Posted February 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 Idzik set this franchise back years and basically missed on every draft pick he ever made. At least Mac put us on the path forward with Darnold 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, JetsFanatic said: Idzik actually had a plan in place, but did not have the expertise required to carry it out. I did not vote because both did not do a good job, it’s immaterial who may have been worse. Just now, BigRy56 said: Idzik set this franchise back years and basically missed on every draft pick he ever made. At least Mac put us on the path forward with Darnold Opposite opinions yet both resonate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted February 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 Macc sucked at everything required of a GM. And he demonstrated that in all 5 years he was here. His drafts sucked, his free agent signings sucked, and any success he had were driven by luck (Sam falling into his lap after Cousins was his Plan A) or still were failures in the long run (Jamal over Mahomes/Watson/etc). Idzik only sucked at drafting. Which of course is the # 1 most important thing about being a GM. But he also did a decent job in FA when he signed Eric Decker. And that 2013 draft is arguably the best we've had since the Revis draft in 2007. Not saying much, but still. Sheldon Richardson was a quality pick, and he got him outside the Top 10. Hard to complain about a DT who got 16.5 sacks over his first 3 years. Brian Winters, who mostly sucks was at least a decent starting G for a while. Oday Aboushi is still bouncing around the league as a backup OL, which is more than you can say for most of Macc's picks that are no longer in the league. And I can't knock the Geno pick too much even in hindsight. He was the best-rated QB in a bad QB class and had a MUCH better profile than fellow 2nd rounder Christian Hackenberg, who had no better than a 5th round resume. The 2014 draft class was god awful. No doubt about it. But it's not enough to put Idzik below Macc. Especially when you consider Idzik is actually employed, and has been moving his way back up the Jaguars' ladder. Macc shouldn't ever sniff a significant job again, not even as an area scout. 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: Idzik set this franchise back years and basically missed on every draft pick he ever made. At least Mac put us on the path forward with Darnold Sheldon Richardson was not a miss. Brian Winters was not a miss. Oday Aboushi was not a miss. Even with the "Idzik 12" in mind, Idzik hit at a better rate than Macc did. And that's sad. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Idzick didnt have a single positive moment as a GM that wasnt led by the greatness of Rex Ryan. At least Mac had a 10 win season, Jamal Adams and Sam Darnold. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted February 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: Idzik set this franchise back years and basically missed on every draft pick he ever made. At least Mac put us on the path forward with Darnold Macc put us on a path from Fitzpatrick to Hackenberg to McCown. His "Plan A" in 2017 was Kirk Cousins. His "Plan B" was Josh Rosen or Josh Allen. He didn't even engineer the trade with the Colts. He merely OK'd it. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted February 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 Mac was much worse. Idzik had a logical plan but could not draft at all. Mac had no logical plan and could not draft at all. Idzik drafted 4 oline in two drafts. Mac drafted 3 oline in 5 drafts, despite knowing 100% for sure he was going to use high picks to get young QB's No contest really imo. (they both sucked and in the end all that matters for a gm is to be able to draft well.) 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, JiF said: Idzick didnt have a single positive moment as a GM that wasnt led by the greatness of Rex Ryan. At least Mac had a 10 win season, Jamal Adams and Sam Darnold. Over a 5-year period, it's pretty horrific to only have those as your highlights. Especially since Jamal Adams was a bad pick in context and we were extremely lucky to end up with Sam (who himself has some pretty significant question marks). Macc's actual highlights were Jordan Jenkins and Brian Poole. 1 solid pick and 1 FA signing that had no downside to them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 God 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Macc sucked at everything required of a GM. And he demonstrated that in all 5 years he was here. His draft sucked, his free agent signings sucked, and any success he had were driven by luck (Sam falling into his lap after Cousins was his Plan A) or still were failures in the long run (Jamal over Mahomes/Watson/etc). Idzik only sucked at drafting. Which of course is the # 1 most important thing about being a GM. But he also did a decent job in FA when he signed Eric Decker. And that 2013 draft is arguably the best we've had since the Revis draft in 2007. Not saying much, but still. Sheldon Richardson was a quality pick, and he got him outside the Top 10. Hard to complain about a DT who got 16.5 sacks over his first 3 years. Brian Winters, who mostly sucks was at least a decent starting G for a while. Oday Aboushi is still bouncing around the league as a backup OL, which is more than you can say for most of Macc's picks that are no longer in the league. And I can't knock the Geno pick too much even in hindsight. He was the best-rated QB in a bad QB class and had a MUCH better profile than fellow 2nd rounder Christian Hackenberg, who had no better than a 5th round resume. The 2014 draft class was god awful. No doubt about it. But it's not enough to put Idzik below Macc. Especially when you consider Idzik is actually employed, and has been moving his way back up the Jaguars' ladder. Macc shouldn't ever sniff a significant job again, not even as an area scout. I voted Idzik (it wasn't an easy choice) but after this post I would be shocked if this poll wasn't 50/50 lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Macc put us on a path from Fitzpatrick to Hackenberg to McCown. His "Plan A" in 2017 was Kirk Cousins. His "Plan B" was Josh Rosen or Josh Allen. He didn't even engineer the trade with the Colts. He merely OK'd it. #conqueringhero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Macc sucked at everything required of a GM. And he demonstrated that in all 5 years he was here. His draft sucked, his free agent signings sucked, and any success he had were driven by luck (Sam falling into his lap after Cousins was his Plan A) or still were failures in the long run (Jamal over Mahomes/Watson/etc). Idzik only sucked at drafting. Which of course is the # 1 most important thing about being a GM. But he also did a decent job in FA when he signed Eric Decker. And that 2013 draft is arguably the best we've had since the Revis draft in 2007. Not saying much, but still. Sheldon Richardson was a quality pick, and he got him outside the Top 10. Hard to complain about a DT who got 16.5 sacks over his first 3 years. Brian Winters, who mostly sucks was at least a decent starting G for a while. Oday Aboushi is still bouncing around the league as a backup OL, which is more than you can say for most of Macc's picks that are no longer in the league. And I can't knock the Geno pick too much even in hindsight. He was the best-rated QB in a bad QB class and had a MUCH better profile than fellow 2nd rounder Christian Hackenberg, who had no better than a 5th round resume. The 2014 draft class was god awful. No doubt about it. But it's not enough to put Idzik below Macc. Especially when you consider Idzik is actually employed, and has been moving his way back up the Jaguars' ladder. Macc shouldn't ever sniff a significant job again, not even as an area scout. Hackenberg was a "are you trying to be bad?" pick. Geno, if the proper vetting was in place pre-draft could have been avoided. He dropped for a reason. Hopefully Douglas gets the draft process in order- interviews, scouts etc. It's been disorganized since Mangini's departure over 10 years ago. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, JiF said: #conqueringhero lol you don't get to use that against me after the fact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Over a 5-year period, it's pretty horrific to only have those as your highlights. Especially since Jamal Adams was a bad pick in context and we were extremely lucky to end up with Sam (who himself has some pretty significant question marks). One guy did good things even by mistake. The other guy did nothing good at all. Both terrible and possibly the 2 worst GM's to ever grace the NFL but Mac has takeaways that Idzick does not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: lol you don't get to use that against me after the fact. Considering our back and forths on the topic, oh yes I do. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 They were both absolutely terrible but Mac takes the cake. I don't understand what those Billboard yahoos were doing for 4 years only to reawaken with Gase but if ever a billboard was needed it was at the end of last season 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Macc had much more of an opportunity and ultimately failed in spectacular fashion. Both were awful and Idzik’s 2014 draft will live in infamy, but Macc was worse over a longer period of time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, JiF said: One guy did good things even by mistake. The other guy did nothing good at all. Both terrible and possibly the 2 worst GM's to ever grace the NFL but Mac has takeaways that Idzick does not. Both horrific, yes. But Idzik is currently an Assistant GM. Macc is at Starbucks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, JiF said: One guy did good things even by mistake. The other guy did nothing good at all. Both terrible and possibly the 2 worst GM's to ever grace the NFL but Mac has takeaways that Idzick does not. Idzik if given the 4 years probably would have backed his way into some decent moves/picks. The whole thing sucks. Until things change way up top the Jets will never attract big time candidates. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, JiF said: Considering our back and forths on the topic, oh yes I do. lol See, but you ripped the Fitz acquisition at the time, and anyone who supported it. So that doesn't get to be part of your "Macc is better argument", is what I'm saying. I was duped by the Fitz cycle. It happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted February 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 The "Idzik 12" permanently scarred me. He will forever in my mind be the worst GM of all time. I'm fairly certain a monkey throwing darts could have done a better job. RD. PLAYER, POS. 1 Calvin Pryor, S 2 Jace Amaro, TE 3 Dex McDougle, CB 4 Jalen Saunders, WR 4 Shaq Evans, WR 4 Dakota Dozier, OL 5 Jeremiah George, LB 6 Brandon Dixon, CB 6 Quincy Enunwa, WR 6 IK Enemkpali, LB 6 Tajh Boyd, QB 7 Trevor Reilly, LB 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ohhthepain Posted February 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 A lot of people will automatically think Idzik 12 and say Idzik but once you look past that the clear answer is Mac. Ineptitude on all levels. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Hackenberg was a "are you trying to be bad?" pick. Geno, if the proper vetting was in place pre-draft could have been avoided. He dropped for a reason. Hopefully Douglas gets the draft process in order- interviews, scouts etc. It's been disorganized since Mangini's departure over 10 years ago. Probably the 2 dumbest GM moves ever were owned by Macc: 1. Hack's former college coach, Bill O'Brien's Texans leapfrogged the Jets in the 2nd and didn't take Hack. For some reason this non-selection convinced Macc that Hack was in high demand and caused him to pull the trigger in the 2nd to not let him get away. What? I wish I could get a seat at whatever Long Island poker game Macc is playing in. 2. Macc (correctly) identified Kamara as a future star. He inquired about moving up to get him. Balked when the asking price included a late rounder beyond what Macc's "budget" was so he passed. Saints made the move. Voila, superstar. Here I am talking myself out of my Idzik vote. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Both horrific, yes. But Idzik is currently an Assistant GM. Macc is at Starbucks. Dunkin Donuts. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 After 5 full drafts. - A total rebuild of the oline is required, there might be one guy we should keep from last year and that would be begrudgingly. - No true Wr weapons. - No true TE weapon. - No true RB weapon. - No #1 or even #2 CB - No pass rushers at all. Like this is literally a hard thing to do to fail so badly in the draft and FA. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Matt39 said: Idzik if given the 4 years probably would have backed his way into some decent moves/picks. The whole thing sucks. Until things change way up top the Jets will never attract big time candidates. I think you're being very generous to Idzick who was an incompetent as incompetent gets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: See, but you ripped the Fitz acquisition at the time, and anyone who supported it. So that doesn't get to be part of your "Macc is better argument", is what I'm saying. I was duped by the Fitz cycle. It happens. I also was duped by the Fitz cycle. But then again when the alternative is Geno... I would've clamored for 50-year-old Brett Favre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: See, but you ripped the Fitz acquisition at the time, and anyone who supported it. So that doesn't get to be part of your "Macc is better argument", is what I'm saying. I was duped by the Fitz cycle. It happens. How many "executive of the year" trophies does Idzick have? lolololololol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Since T0m likes Idzik and Pac likes Mac how about we settle this in the Thunderdome? Each nitwit battling to the death for their boos honor. The surviving JN'er decides the results Then just as the winner raises his hand in victory we fire a projectile at them from at tactical grenade launcher, declare them both losers and unite in celebration that both GM's and posters are no more. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: After 5 full drafts. - A total rebuild of the oline is required, there might be one guy we should keep from last year and that would be begrudgingly. - No true Wr weapons. - No true TE weapon. - No true RB weapon. - No #1 or even #2 CB - No pass rushers at all. Like this is literally a hard thing to do to fail so badly in the draft and FA. Actually a good point. Jets roster for the last several years was the easiest to break on to. To not find upgrades from a roster of JAGs almost requires purposeful suck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, CTM said: Since T0m likes Idzik and Pac likes Mac how about we settle this in the Thunderdome? Each nitwit battling to the death for their boos honor. The surviving JN'er decides the results Then just as the winner raises his hand in victory we fire a projectile at them from at tactical grenade launcher, declare them both losers and unite in celebration that both GM's and posters are no more. Can I pull the trigger of the grenade launcher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRJETS Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, jgb said: Feel free to explain your reasoning. I went Idzik. Idzik's dirty dozen was just such an outrageous whiff and with a catchy historical name, I believe he will go down as the worst of the worst. Yeah but taking a box safety as good as he ever going to be over two future HOF QB was unforgivable. #BAP 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Idzik easily. If he even comes close to hitting on anything in that 2014 draft maybe we don't even see Mac. That draft class was absolute disgrace 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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