Jetsfan80 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: There’s plenty of a reason to trade Jamal if you value significant future cap being used on a non-impact position. 17 million per year for Jamal is absolutely freaking insane and I don’t care how home grown he is...could be from NY and it’s still a no-go for me. 17? No way man. Yep. The last thing we should be doing is devoting that % of the cap on a SS. Trade him if you can. Let him walk after his 4th season OR 5th-year team option otherwise. Ignore his complaints as needed. If Jamal ends up holding out he'll lose that PR battle eventually. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jet Nut Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 27 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yep. The last thing we should be doing is devoting that % of the cap on a SS. Trade him if you can. Let him walk after his 4th season OR 5th-year team option otherwise. Ignore his complaints as needed. If Jamal ends up holding out he'll lose that PR battle eventually. Because 17 mil would do what? Seriously Whats the damage you see with this scenario? Because nothing would say our team is run by the clueless if we let him walk. No one anywhere would do this. No one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Samtorobby47 said: Idk. Been told here on Jetnation that he’s not even top 200. This is way off. Naaa, clearly I was wrong. Clearly, if a reputable place like PFF thinks he's #32, so I guess he is. Long term deal highest paid defender time is here. Hope the folks who love him are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 What’s more SOJ than demanding we trade our best player, because a Strong Safety isn’t as value as a Left Tackle 🤔 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: What’s more SOJ than demanding we trade our best player, because a Strong Safety isn’t as value as a Left Tackle 🤔 Funny, because I think its SOJ to try to defend handing a SS a $17M per contract while we need 3-4 new OL and 1-2 new WRs. Jamal has been here 3 years and we haven't won d*ck, and that's with him on a cheap rookie deal. Let's change things up and try something different. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Funny, because I think its SOJ to try to defend handing a SS a $17M per contract while we need 3-4 new OL and 1-2 new WRs. Jamal has been here 3 years and we haven't won d*ck, and that's with him on a cheap rookie deal. Let's change things up and try something different. So will you be saying the same thing about Sam Darnold when it's time to pay him. Asking for a friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Funny, because I think its SOJ to try to defend handing a SS a $17M per contract while we need 3-4 new OL and 1-2 new WRs. Jamal has been here 3 years and we haven't won d*ck, and that's with him on a cheap rookie deal. Let's change things up and try something different. We are playing one of our corners more than that, and he stinks. It’s hardly like we have a ton of All -Pro players on the roster to spend big contracts on. The Jets cap isn’t a problem, a real lack of any talent is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: We are playing one of our corners more than that, and he stinks. Is making one mistake a justification for potentially making another? 8 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: It’s hardly like we have a ton of All -Pro players on the roster to spend big contracts on. The cool things about cap space is we're not limited to spending it only on guys on our current roster. 8 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: The Jets cap isn’t a problem, a real lack of any talent is. I don't disagree. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: What’s more SOJ than demanding we trade our best player, because a Strong Safety isn’t as value as a Left Tackle 🤔 What is more SOJ than paying your box safety and two ilbs like 45 million. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 34 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Funny, because I think its SOJ to try to defend handing a SS a $17M per contract while we need 3-4 new OL and 1-2 new WRs. Jamal has been here 3 years and we haven't won d*ck, and that's with him on a cheap rookie deal. Let's change things up and try something different. We haven't won d*ck in 51 years...................... Where you been? Jamal Adams 1 of the best draft picks this team has hit on in ages. You build a winning team around players like Jamal Adams. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZachEY Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Maxman said: Link? Happy to help! 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Daddy Wang Doodle said: Most people would agree he's a great player (minus jets fans of course), and the idea that the Jets MUST trade him in order to rebuild was always stupid. That being said if a team were to offer something extraordinary, you'd have to take it, cause as much as Jamal likes to think so, Brady or Donald he is not. I’ll take a 1st round pick and a side order of spare ribs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 He wouldn’t be the 32nd best player on the Chiefs. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: Because nothing would say our team is run by the clueless if we let him walk. No one anywhere would do this. No one No one is saying we should let him walk. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 41 minutes ago, Warfish said: Is making one mistake a justification for potentially making another? The cool things about cap space is we're not limited to spending it only on guys on our current roster. I don't disagree. Good we agreed to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 42 minutes ago, Beerfish said: What is more SOJ than paying your box safety and two ilbs like 45 million. One ILB Williamson is getting cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 27 minutes ago, T0mShane said: No one is saying we should let him walk. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 4 hours ago, JiF said: 31 players better? 31? Misprint. 1300 better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, joewilly12 said: This is your best post ever 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yep. The last thing we should be doing is devoting that % of the cap on a SS. Trade him if you can. Let him walk after his 4th season OR 5th-year team option otherwise. Ignore his complaints as needed. If Jamal ends up holding out he'll lose that PR battle eventually. But I want value for him. I'm not trading him just to trade him. I want prime value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death2NE Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: You and me? Enemies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Patriot Killa Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 4 hours ago, TeddEY said: Happy to help! That PFF sure is a great tool for great tools. Leonard Williams the highest graded defender in 2016 and 2017? Where’s my KMS button? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Pay Jenkins. Trade Jamal. lolz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 He’s an all pro. Not surprising 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 8 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yep. The last thing we should be doing is devoting that % of the cap on a SS. Trade him if you can. Let him walk after his 4th season OR 5th-year team option otherwise. Ignore his complaints as needed. If Jamal ends up holding out he'll lose that PR battle eventually. 6 hours ago, T0mShane said: No one is saying we should let him walk. Not true, we're deep into the looney bin now. Let him walk. Get rid of him, wtf, hes been here, we havent won those years. Its all on him. Next up, Jamal Adams causes cancer. F him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Beerfish said: What is more SOJ than paying your box safety and two ilbs like 45 million. To keep calling him a box safety? As if you've come up with some kind of brilliant insult? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 58 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: To keep calling him a box safety? As if you've come up with some kind of brilliant insult? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 9 hours ago, BurnleyJet said: We are playing one of our corners more than that, and he stinks. It’s hardly like we have a ton of All -Pro players on the roster to spend big contracts on. The Jets cap isn’t a problem, a real lack of any talent is. So because we f**ked up in signing Trumaine Johnson, that makes paying your SS $17M a good idea? The Jets cap absolutely is a problem. Primarily because of all the money we're paying CJ Mosley. Devoting $34M+ per season to ILB and SS is not a smart allocation of resources. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Vader said: Pay Jenkins. Trade Jamal. lolz Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 10 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: For competent teams, yes. Mike Maccagnan was the worst GM of all-time. Thus we don't have much homegrown talent worth keeping. And while some counter that with "All the more reason to keep Adams, one of the few good ones!" That's how you get into trouble; overpaying a guy just because he's one of very few who deserve a 2nd contract is an easy way to end up with major holes on your roster down the road anyways. Pay Jordan Jenkins. Trade Jamal. 10 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: There’s plenty of a reason to trade Jamal if you value significant future cap being used on a non-impact position. 17 million per year for Jamal is absolutely freaking insane and I don’t care how home grown he is...could be from NY and it’s still a no-go for me. 17? No way man. This response is for both of you, since I see the same reasoning in both of your points. We all understand there are ways out of NFL contracts. These aren't 200 million dollar MLB contracts we're talking about. We can sign Jamal to say 16 mil a year for 6 years with a way out of it in three years if you pony up the guaranteed money early and structure it reasonably. We see it happen all the time in this league. The simple truth is we don't have anyone else on this roster, other than Darnold, that's really worth re-signing for big money - we're not the Cowboys with a series of difficult decisions to make. Even if we have an amazing draft this year and find five starters, three of whom that mature into pro bowlers, we'd still not have to worry about re-signing them for at least another three years. We have time. The most likely scenario of unloading him for a pick is acquiring some Bryan Thomas type player with the pick. And yea, we saved some money, so we can sign say a Calvin Pace type player and still have some money left over. That's the most likely scenario btw - neither being unfair in the delusional sense (that we're gonna draft a Brick/Mangold/Revis with that pick) or in the pessimist sense (Kyle Wilson/Dee Mil/Dewayne Robertson/Quentin Coples) and the same for the free agency (Faneca/Woody vs Trumaine/Kalil). We have ourselves a top player at his position; even if it isn't a premium one. Let's hold onto him for his prime, especially at a time where we're not exactly strapped for cash nor is our roster some gluttonous mass of talent. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 I think it's bull he's that low, I'd put him right after QB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Wow, Adams is better than Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and Deshaun Watson. Suck it, SOJFs! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 20 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Pro Football Focus ranks Jamal Adams as the 32nd best player in the NFL By John B Feb 5, 2020, 8:57pm EST Noah K. Murray-USA TODAY Sports Pro Football Focus is ranking the top 101 players in the NFL from 2019. One Jets player is on their list. Unsurprisingly it is Jamal Adams. This is a point I make frequently. Positional value does matter in the NFL, but sometimes roles are more important than positions. I don’t think you can really say that Adams is just a safety. He fills numerous roles for the Jets. If the opponent has a matchup problem as a tight end, Jamal can take that guy. If the Jets need to shut down the run game, he can play in the box. When the Jets need a sack, he can blitz effectively. Any way you slice it, I think this is a premium player. PFF seems to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said: The most likely scenario of unloading him for a pick is acquiring some Bryan Thomas type player with the pick. And yea, we saved some money, so we can sign say a Calvin Pace type player and still have some money left over. If you’re worried that your GM isn’t capable of drafting someone better than Bryan Thomas at 17, then you should just fire that GM. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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