Gil Brandt's 12 most "clutch" NFL players right now: Adams # 12

[Villain The Foe]

17 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

#1 The doubters have not changed at all because his weakness and the fact we have to tailor make our D to accommodate him have not changed.

#2 Boy have I seen a lot of this in my time, if you have to constantly proclaim you are a leader you are no leader.

#3 He is doing other peoples jobs at the cost of providing no safety help to a shaky secondary and having guys like hewitt having to cover guys he should never be asked to cover.  In the world of Jamal glory it is and will be a good thing if we never get an outside pass rusher.

#4 True, and the day this team gets a pass rusher and the D becomes a normal nfl D jamal goes from 6 1/2 sacks to 2 and gets killed when asked to cover, or more likley he will start beefing about his roll in the defense.  (Oh and we are going to pay him 16-17 mill a year on a long term deal for this.)

#5 The hybrid player comes and goes guys like Landon Collins and Deone Buchanon fall off fast.

#1. The doubters have not changed at all because "haters are gonna hate". 

#2. Boy have I seen alot of this in my time, If you have to constantly proclaim that you're a leader, then back it up with all-pro performances, haters are gonna hate on you anyway. 

#3. He's doing other peoples jobs because that's what the coach told him to do given that we have "absolutely no pass rush" like you admitted, but atleast we have some back ups who can atleast accomodate for when Adams have to do the job of others that coaches ask him to do. 

#4. False, and the day this team gets a pass rusher and the D becomes a normal defense Jamal will then play his rightful position and will have help from actual pass rushers. Only haters would immediately say that he's going to get Killed for playing his "actual position" that just a second a go they said he rarely does, yet the all pro association deems otherwise. 

#5. The Hybrid player comes and go, but until they go accept the fact that they'll be All pro's on their team. 

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, JiF said:

Oh, in that case, I never want to hear you opinion about a player who doesnt play for the Jets. 

The Chiefs play a lot of nationally televised games. 

[JustInFudge]

6 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Gil Brandt considered a Guard to be clutch enough to sit him at #8

chill.

Got it, so back to not being a top 200 player? 

So hard to keep up these days 

[T0mShane]

56 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Already solid in coverage and against the run, Adams had another game-changing skill tapped into by defensive coordinator Gregg Williams: a knack for rushing the passer

Jamal Adams only recorded sacks in four games. Two of those (Redskins, Raiders) were blowout wins, one of them was a blowout loss (Dolphins). When, exactly, has Jamal Adams produced a “clutch” sack, as Brandt suggests here? 

[JustInFudge]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

The Chiefs play a lot of nationally televised games. 

Jets and Chiefs, nobody else. 

[Patriot Killa]

2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

How did the rest of the D do in the turnover department compared to the rest of the NFL. 

You are dodging the point here.

[JustInFudge]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Jamal Adams only recorded sacks in four games. Two of those (Redskins, Raiders) were blowout wins, one of them was a blowout loss (Dolphins). When, exactly, has Jamal Adams produced a “clutch” sack, as Brandt suggests here? 

Only counts when it counts based on what someone considers counts! 

[Sperm Edwards]

Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh McCown could have career-type seasons for the Jets, but dramatically-superior talents like Mahomes and Watson would have been zeros here. 

Keep telling yourselves this. It makes the pain go away. 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, JiF said:

Got it, so back to not being a top 200 player? 

So hard to keep up these days 

Not sure who is saying he's not a top 200 player but there's no chance it was me or most of the other people saying we shouldn't pay Jamal $17M per.  

[T0mShane]

Just now, JiF said:

Only counts when it counts based on what someone considers counts! 

Word word word. 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, JiF said:

Only counts when it counts based on what someone considers counts! 

If you're going to say a player is "clutch" it absolutely matters WHEN he makes plays.  

Both of Jamal's 2 career picks were in garbage time situations.

[Patriot Killa]

Just now, JiF said:

Got it, so back to not being a top 200 player? 

So hard to keep up these days 

I wasn’t the one who said that so I have no dog in that race but using this list as a reason for pro-Jamal fans to puff their chests out is a bit much lmfao.

[joewilly12]

Just now, Patriot Killa said:

You are dodging the point here.

No I'm not football is a team sport. Did the NY Jets D as a whole lead the NFL in INT's and Fumbles recovered. 

[Losmeister]

3 minutes ago, JiF said:

Ever wonder why we had to watch Neville Hewitt chasing slot guys, wrs, tes down field half the year?

 

good one, beerfish

[joewilly12]

Heres to the haters without Jamal Adams on the NY Jets we wouldn't be having this conversation because no other player would make Gil Brandt's list. 

[Villain The Foe]

9 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

No, this fact gets brought up a lot but it has nothing to do with the view of most anti Adams posters.  Adams, for what he does, when he does it how much it really helps a team win and how he will contribute in the future is the big question.

This fact gets brought up because it's true, and I can prove it. 

 

Folks hide behind this ridiculous "how much does it really help the team win" comments in order to hate on an All-Pro, when the bottomline is that what he does surely doesnt help us lose. 

 

The rest of that roster is the reason why we're losing. 

 

Folks are pissy about Mahomes and Watson. We got Sam Darnold. Handle it. 

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said:

Folks are pissy about Mahomes and Watson. We got Sam Darnold. Handle it. 

If Darnold falters these same guys will be out hating like a pack of wolves on a dead carcass. 

[Villain The Foe]

Just now, joewilly12 said:

If Darnold falters these same guys will be out hating like a pack of wolves on a dead carcass. 

They'll blame Adams for not being a better QB coach/Offensive coordinator/GM/Head Coach. Because being an All Pro while also being the best pass rusher on the team because this team stinks is clearly his fault. 

[Patriot Killa]

1 minute ago, joewilly12 said:

No I'm not football is a team sport. Did the NY Jets D as a whole lead the NFL in INT's and Fumbles recovered. 

Clutch defensive players get turnovers. Jamal Adams doesn’t get turnovers. As the “leader” and “best player on defense” you are suppose  to play above everyone else so if your point is that the rest of the team sucked in that department so it’s cool for him to suck in that department ..then that’s false. Von Miller was the only consistent pass rush on the Broncos forever and he made things happen. Revis was the only special player in our secondary in 2008-2009 and he still did special things because that’s what special players do. You aren’t helping your argument here.

[joewilly12]

Just now, Villain The Foe said:

They'll blame Adams for not being a better QB coach/Offensive coordinator/GM/Head Coach. Because being an All Pro while also being the best pass rusher on the team because this team stinks is clearly his fault. 

Of course its all Jamal Adams fault, 

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

 

The rest of that roster is the reason why we're losing

Right. So trade him for three guys that can fill out the rest of the roster.

[joewilly12]

Just now, Patriot Killa said:

Clutch defensive players get turnovers. Jamal Adams doesn’t get turnovers. As the “leader” and “best player on defense” you are suppose  to play above everyone else so if your point is that the rest of the team sucked in that department so it’s cool for him to suck in that department ..then that’s false. Von Miller was the only consistent pass rush on the Broncos forever and he made things happen. Revis was the only special player in our secondary in 2008-2009 and he still did special things because that’s what special players do. You aren’t helping your argument here.

Why is Gregg Williams using Jamal Adams like he is. 

Answer because he's the best player on the D. 

Im sure if he sat back cherry picking WR's he would have more INT's instead he's being used as an edge rusher and doing quite well. 

Who's arguing? 

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Right. So trade him for three guys that can fill out the rest of the roster.

3 maybes-what ifs. 

Addition by subtraction you do not trade a proven NFL superstar for 2-3 nobodies. 

[Patriot Killa]

Just now, joewilly12 said:

Why is Gregg Williams using Jamal Adams like he is. 

Answer because he's the best player on the D. 

Im sure if he sat back cherry picking WR's he would have more INT's instead he's being used as an edge rusher and doing quite well. 

Who's arguing? 

Jamal Adams is not the best player on D. CJ Mosley came in and completely impacted the game against Buffalo...left and right..all damn day.

[T0mShane]

Just now, joewilly12 said:

3 maybes-what ifs. 

Addition by subtraction you do not trade a proven NFL superstar for 2-3 nobodies. 

Who’s the “superstar”? The guy with 61 tackles and a garbage time INT? 

[Patriot Killa]

3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

3 maybes-what ifs. 

Addition by subtraction you do not trade a proven NFL superstar for 2-3 nobodies. 

Yasssss, completely disregard taking shots at drafting 2 OL and a WR early because nobody hired a fortune teller to see if they’d be any good.

funny thing is they don’t even have to be All-Pros like Jamal to have more of an impact than Jamal. 

[Villain The Foe]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Right. So trade him for three guys that can fill out the rest of the roster.

Why, when we have picks in every round, I believe 2 third round picks and a ton of cap? 

[FidelioJet]

His value will never be higher. Now is the time to trade him.



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[joewilly12]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Who’s the “superstar”? The guy with 61 tackles and a garbage time INT? 

 

3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Yasssss, completely disregard taking shots at drafting 2 OL and a WR early because nobody hired a fortune teller to see if they’d be any good.

funny thing is they don’t even have to be All-Pros like Jamal to have more of an impact than Jamal. 

LOL these 2 are comedy gold. 

QW says hello the #3 pick in the 2019 NFL draft how much of an impact did he have on the 2020 season. 

[rangerous]

43 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

 

#1. He's pretty much made everyone doubting him look like a fool for doing so. 

#2. His leadership skills are evident because he proclaims himself to be a leader, and nothing has shown him to be nothing but that. 

#3. His gaudy sack totals are due to the fact that we have no pass rushers at all, which means that he's also doing other peoples jobs. 

#4. We have to severely compromise the rest of the defense to accommodate the fact that we have "no pass rushers at all"...and Adams has proven to help in that area.

#5. He's hardly ever asked to cover anyone given that he's the best pass rusher on a team that has no pass rushers, however, when he's is asked to cover, he covers well. 

 

You guys need to give it up already. 

right.  the thing too is he's improved his game.  he made a couple of plays that did have a marked effect on a games outcome (jets wins).  they'd be better off with 21 more guys like him than the lineups we've seen over the past few seasons.

[Patriot Killa]

1 minute ago, joewilly12 said:

 

LOL these 2 are comedy gold. 

QW says hello the #3 pick in the 2019 NFL draft how much of an impact did he have on the 2020 season. 

Broski . . . You just named a DT.

[joewilly12]

3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Broski . . . You just named a DT.

Broseph I know and how do you know JD won't waste the picks acquired for Jamal Adams like this, 

[Villain The Foe]

5 minutes ago, rangerous said:

right.  the thing too is he's improved his game.  he made a couple of plays that did have a marked effect on a games outcome (jets wins).  they'd be better off with 21 more guys like him than the lineups we've seen over the past few seasons.

Facts. 

 

 

[Patriot Killa]

6 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Broseph I know and how do you know JD won't waste the picks acquired for Jamal Adams like this, 

But.. I clearly said OL and WR in this scenario.

PS.. Using extreme lack of situational awareness such as “what if he picks DT” to aid your point that we don’t need more picks is not a good way to make that same point. We’re not going DT so stop.

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said:

But.. I clearly said OL and WR in this scenario.

PS.. Using extreme lack of situational awareness such as “what if he picks DT” to aid your point that we don’t need more picks is not a good way to make that same point. We’re not going DT so stop.

So you know for a fact what JD would do with the picks if he trades Jamal Adams or what he's doing with the #11 pick.