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14 minutes ago, pdxgreen said:

Was just looking this scene up the other day.  One of the greatest scenes in movie history and totally turns the film on it's head.  Surprised that movie doesn't get brought up more when they mention films about military service.  As much as people like to talk about more modern dramas... this one is just as insightful.

One of my favorite movies of all time and one of the best acting performances in cinematic history.  

The first Bogie movie I ever saw was African Queen when I was a kid. That was long before I even know who Bogie was.  Loved that movie. I didn't think that the "Mr. Allnutt" could ever be anyone else other than Mr. Allnutt.  A few years later I saw The Caine Mutiny.  The way Bogie played Queeg was so good, I didn't even realize it was the same guy that played Mr. Allnutt.   If I had seen Caine Mutiny first, I'd be certain that Bogie was Queeg and could only be Queeg and no one else.   He played both roles *that* well.   Truly the Joe Montana/Tom Brady of acting. 

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Something about Michael Caine's wife queefing I think.

Which offensive system doesn’t rely on competent run or pass blocking?

Bogart's most underappreciated performance imo

8 hours ago, THE BARON said:

Gase Is Intelligent, Hard Working & Dedicated, But Is He Pathologically Addicted To A System That Does Not Fit His Current Command ???

Like many others, I have been very critical of Gase...  

I'll try to look on the bright side, since we are stuck with him.

He is clearly intelligent and hard working, but he as been stubborn.  I think most can see that he is married to specific offensive system that he feels comfortable with.  Or, perhaps, addicted to.  Like Captain Queeg trying to relive past successes by looking for the missing strawberries...

The system that he seems to be addicted to consists of a zone blocking scheme with a static pocket and a very basic and short set of pass plays that depend on absolute precision from the QB and pass catcher with respect to timing and ball placement.  The exact system you want to run with a QB that has the skill set of Peyton Manning.  The blocking scheme is also a lot better for a powerful straight ahead runner.  It does not favor a cut-back runner or any other type of ball carrier that reacts to opportunities (BELL)

After Darnold had his "talk" with Gase, the following game, we saw a different offense.  We saw a lot more aggressive man blocking up front.  We saw the pocket move.  We saw Darnold move.  We also saw a lot more production.  Darnold looked comfortable and confident.  Not like a fish out of water as he had been in the system Gase seems to be queer for,

I have NO DOUBT that Gase can design and run an offense that is much better suited for Darnold and Bell rather than sticking with a zone blocking and a static pocket,

The question is, will he ???

It is time for Gase to realize he has to stop looking for the missing strawberries...

 

Can we get Jose Ferre to throw a drink in Sam Darnolds face?

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It’s clear Gase is not a good HC - not smart nor does he have a good offensive mind.

The OP is correct in this regard though - it seems to me Gase was successful with Manning (more likely Manning was successful with Gase) so in his tiny mind he thinks that’s the way it should work with everyone.

It’s obvious Sam’s skill-set it quite a bit different than Mannings...Yet Gase has been trying to turn Sam in Manning as opposed to adapting his coaching style and offense to capitalize on Sam’s talent.

Gast Stiinks!

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11 hours ago, THE BARON said:

When Schotty was with the Jets Callahan was running the line for the most part. He used a combo or man and zone. I liked him a lot. What I remember most about the Schotty offense when he was with the Jets was the almost haphazard way the Jets offense went from doing one thing to the other.  For example.  They would be running the ball well from a pro set and then, for no apparent reason, they would start running an unbalanced line.  Then they would go empty backfield, then two tight ends, then spread, then tight set.  It was said that the Jets tendency was that they had no tendency Lie they were just pulling plays out of their ass with no thought to it.  All of this was done to protect Sanchez.  Keep the defense off balance, bewildered and wondering what the hell the Jets were going to do next.  It made no sense unless you consider just how badly Sanchez wanted to throw the ball to the DB jumping the routs.  

I wish the Jets had a better QB in 2009 and 2010.  True, Sanchez did OK in the playoffs with the Jets, but if they had a more dynamic offense that scored more points, Rex and the Jets might have gotten that ring circa 2009 - 2010.

2010 was the year, 2009 was a team a year away that overachieved.  But yes as well as Sanchez played in the playoffs that first half not just from him, but the WHOLE team including coaching staff fell asleep at the wheel in the first half of that Steelers game shame.

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1 hour ago, 20andOut said:

Wait so you are saying Gase is stubborn and addicted to one system, which you then say he changed as soon as Darnold made some suggestions?????????????????????? 

And yes the Caine Mutiny is an excellent movie.

He didn't change his offense completely and permanently, but he did start tossing in things that are not characteristic of the offense he seems to be stuck on.  It was obvious that Darnold was doing better executing plays that are more suited to his skill set. 

The larger point that I am making with Queeg and the Strawberries as it applies to Gase, is that both Queeg and Gase are holding on to what they succeeded at with in the past even though it no longer applies to their current situation. And, the compelling fact is that neither Queeg or Gase was/is short on ability and smarts.  They both malfunctioned due to the defects of their qualities.  Queeg because he had combat fatigue/PTSD, and Gase because he is probably in over his head and is clinging to a security blanket.  That security blanket being an offensive system/philosophy that he saw success with in the past.  Just like Queeg saw success in the past with his great "chease investigation".  So... In their insecurities,  Queeg starts looking for strawberries and Gase keeps running an offense that is not appropriate for his current roster.  At least,  with Queeg, we can give him a pass cause he's got PTSD.  No excuse for Gase other than being a stubborn child in over his head.

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2 hours ago, Ian Fleming said:

Ah. The old JI ACM v. Penningtologist era. I’m no Penningtologist, but he did beat Green Bay in the win and in game and Peyton Manning in the playoffs.

Chad had 1 burst (2002) and the lemmings love him forever.

Mark had 2 bursts (2009, 2010) and the lemmings hate him.

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3 minutes ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said:

Chad got royally screwed because Woody loved headlines (Brett Favre's old ass) .

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Chad was shot in 2008, getting rid of his hurt ass was a great move.  The guy was no genius.  He had two arm injuries and goes bowling, cost himself another year.  Moron.  But you lemmings love him.  You just love your cute faced players and coaches, put Ryan and Pennington up on a pedestal, stomp on bug-eyed hat-wearing Gase because he's not adorable.

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1 hour ago, Lupz27 said:

2010 was the year, 2009 was a team a year away that overachieved.  But yes as well as Sanchez played in the playoffs that first half not just from him, but the WHOLE team including coaching staff fell asleep at the wheel in the first half of that Steelers game shame.

The fist half of the Steeler playoff game totally pissed me off.  Defense was missing tackles, playing like scrubs and so on.  Rex should have burned a time out during the middle of the first quarter when the defense was on the field and called the entire group over to the sideline for an intense ass-chewing.  It was really the right time for that sort of intervention.  

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17 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Chad had 1 burst (2002) and the lemmings love him forever.

Mark had 2 bursts (2009, 2010) and the lemmings hate him.

SAR I

I liked Sanchez in general, but he was clearly a badly flawed QB.  I think Sanchez had those two bursts because the defense kept them in the running and Rex/Schotty went to great lengths to protect Sanchez from himself.  I still believe all of Sanchez's limitations were mental.  Not that he wasn't smart, but he didn't concentrate/focus all the time.  His head wasn't really into the game.  Nice arm, great feet, likable personality, but he had some sort of attention span or concentration issues.  The butt fumble was one of the more visible results of that and so were all the short outside passes to his left that wound up in his own end-zone for 6 points going the wrong way.  All about awareness and concentration.  We are watching a DB in clear position to jump the rout and Walter Mitty Sanchez is on a beach in CA in white swim trunks hanging with super models.  

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5 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

I liked Sanchez in general, but he was clearly a badly flawed QB.  I think Sanchez had those two bursts because the defense kept them in the running and Rex/Schotty went to great lengths to protect Sanchez from himself.  I still believe all of Sanchez's limitations were mental.  Not that he wasn't smart, but he didn't concentrate/focus all the time.  His head wasn't really into the game.  Nice arm, great feet, likable personality, but he had some sort of attention span or concentration issues.  The butt fumble was one of the more visible results of that and so were all the short outside passes to his left that wound up in his own end-zone for 6 points going the wrong way.  All about awareness and concentration.  We are watching a DB in clear position to jump the rout and Walter Mitty Sanchez is on a beach in CA in white swim trunks hanging with super models.  

I think Sanchez was an over achieving gym rat surrounded by very good talent and that with a very good, didn't have to be elite D, would have gone places, hell they did. Such a shame what could have been.

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44 minutes ago, Apache 51 said:

I think Sanchez was an over achieving gym rat surrounded by very good talent and that with a very good, didn't have to be elite D, would have gone places, hell they did. Such a shame what could have been.

Exactly.

People say Mark was a flawed quarterback, but the reality is that with the (supposed) dominant D and the (supposed) all-weather ground and pound RB Mark was just perfect.  For the way we were constructed, for the strategy Rex announced to the world, Mark was great.  Led 6 fourth quarter comebacks in 2010, elevated his game in the playoffs, was the best Jet on the field in back to back Championship games.  He had that clutch gene.  He could win the big games.

SAR I

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1 hour ago, THE BARON said:

He didn't change his offense completely and permanently, but he did start tossing in things that are not characteristic of the offense he seems to be stuck on.  It was obvious that Darnold was doing better executing plays that are more suited to his skill set. 

The larger point that I am making with Queeg and the Strawberries as it applies to Gase, is that both Queeg and Gase are holding on to what they succeeded at with in the past even though it no longer applies to their current situation. And, the compelling fact is that neither Queeg or Gase was/is short on ability and smarts.  They both malfunctioned due to the defects of their qualities.  Queeg because he had combat fatigue/PTSD, and Gase because he is probably in over his head and is clinging to a security blanket.  That security blanket being an offensive system/philosophy that he saw success with in the past.  Just like Queeg saw success in the past with his great "chease investigation".  So... In their insecurities,  Queeg starts looking for strawberries and Gase keeps running an offense that is not appropriate for his current roster.  At least,  with Queeg, we can give him a pass cause he's got PTSD.  No excuse for Gase other than being a stubborn child in over his head.

To sumerize the issue with Queeg who was played stunningly well by Bogart, Queeg was unfit for command. If you're  saying Gase is unfit to be a HC, which was what I thought you were trying to say, I agree. 

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56 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Exactly.

People say Mark was a flawed quarterback, but the reality is that with the (supposed) dominant D and the (supposed) all-weather ground and pound RB Mark was just perfect.  For the way we were constructed, for the strategy Rex announced to the world, Mark was great.  Led 6 fourth quarter comebacks in 2010, elevated his game in the playoffs, was the best Jet on the field in back to back Championship games.  He had that clutch gene.  He could win the big games.

SAR I

Ties in to what I was saying about Sancez having concentration and focus issues.  He did concentrate and focus if the occasion itself was intense.  Either needing a big come back in a short amount of time or the pressure of a playoff game.  Those instances kept him out of complacency.  His head was often not in the game. 

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23 hours ago, THE BARON said:

That question is not germane to the compelling issue here.  You can have five poorly performing lineman in a zone scheme with plays drawn up for a static pocket or five poorly performing lineman in an aggressive man scheme executing plays drawn up with a lot of line shifting and motion. 

Which would be better for Darnold ???

Which would be better for a QB with a great arm, quick release and lots of lead in his ass ???

 

i went to Germane once.  Good beer.  the whole point is give gase some time to get the right players for his system before knocking it down.  you seem to have a clue about what's needed on the oline.  just how many of the guys who started in game 1 of last season are worth keeping around for the next season?  imo they can all be seriously upgraded and until that's done, it doesn't matter what kind of blocking technique they use.

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17 hours ago, THE BARON said:

One of my favorite movies of all time and one of the best acting performances in cinematic history.  

The first Bogie movie I ever saw was African Queen when I was a kid. That was long before I even know who Bogie was.  Loved that movie. I didn't think that the "Mr. Allnutt" could ever be anyone else other than Mr. Allnutt.  A few years later I saw The Caine Mutiny.  The way Bogie played Queeg was so good, I didn't even realize it was the same guy that played Mr. Allnutt.   If I had seen Caine Mutiny first, I'd be certain that Bogie was Queeg and could only be Queeg and no one else.   He played both roles *that* well.   Truly the Joe Montana/Tom Brady of acting. 

Check out Nicholas Ray's In A Lonely Place. Key Largo, Big Sleep, Casablanca... lots of classics under his belt. Forgot To Have and Have Not. Bacall: "Do you know how to whistle? You put your lips together and blow." She was sexy as hell in that. And Walter Brennan made a classic rummy... 'Ever been stung by a dead bee?" Faulkner worked on the script, which probably didn't make Hemingway too happy.

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16 minutes ago, rangerous said:

i went to Germane once.  Good beer.  the whole point is give gase some time to get the right players for his system before knocking it down.  you seem to have a clue about what's needed on the oline.  just how many of the guys who started in game 1 of last season are worth keeping around for the next season?  imo they can all be seriously upgraded and until that's done, it doesn't matter what kind of blocking technique they use.

I'm willing to hold out hope that Gase wakes up and builds an offense that fits Darnold instead of Peyton Manning.  We'll know by halftime 2020 regular season game one.   He has smarts and dedication, but as of yet, we have not seen wisdom. He has to make a destiny for himself apart from clinging to a boiler plate from his glorious past. 

Like Parcells said.  You never pick up where you left off last year.  You start new.  

Look how many fans talk about Bill Bellichick's "system".  His coaching style does not change, but what specific system does he use ??? None.  He changes the system according to the roster,  2004/5 Pats offense, vs. 2019.  Different animals. 

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3 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

I'm willing to hold out hope that Gase wakes up and builds an offense that fits Darnold instead of Peyton Manning.  We'll know by halftime 2020 regular season game one.   

yet another Sam excuse, prebuilt

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5 hours ago, SAR I said:

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Chad was shot in 2008, getting rid of his hurt ass was a great move.  The guy was no genius.  He had two arm injuries and goes bowling, cost himself another year.  Moron.  But you lemmings love him.  You just love your cute faced players and coaches, put Ryan and Pennington up on a pedestal, stomp on bug-eyed hat-wearing Gase because he's not adorable.

SAR I

Chad , on his worst day , was better than redneck , old balls, I think i'll throw another pick ,  Favre .

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https://www.thecut.com/2018/03/tom-brady-strawberries-dieting.html

Tom Brady finally ate a strawberry for the first time last week — just about a year and a half after admitting to the Cut that he’d “never” tried the easily accessible fruit before. Now, the quarterback of the Super Bowl–losing New England Patriots has further clarified his stance on strawberries: He basically hates everything about them.

“I just don’t like them. At the end of the day, I just don’t like the taste,” Brady told People in a new interview. “I don’t like the smell, the texture or anything. It doesn’t really have to do with my diet, it’s just more of my preference, but somehow it got wrapped into my diet.”

Brady went on to vow to never quit that very same ultra-restrictive and “mostly vegan” diet. As I’m sure you remember perfectly, it entails never ingesting white sugar, caffeine, MSG, dairy, nightshade vegetables, olive oil, and more, and now we know he plans on sticking to it even when he doesn’t do sports anymore.

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“I have times where we go out and there’s something delicious on the menu like a steak or a cheeseburger and it’s really good,” he told People. “I definitely will indulge in that. It’s not super often.”

There you have it, folks: Strawberries, not an indulgence (but gross). Steak, opposite of gross (but an infrequent indulgence).

 

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19 minutes ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said:

Chad , on his worst day , was better than redneck , old balls, I think i'll throw another pick ,  Favre .

Favre had us at 8-3, we had just gone on a 7-1 run, and then Favre got hurt.  Had he not, we'd have finished 12-4 and won the division, not the lame ass Dolphins. 

One of the biggest tragedies in team history.  The Rex/Sanchez runs the next two seasons have put the 2008 campaign into the dustbin, but that was actually our best shot at a Super Bowl since 1998.

SAR I

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2 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Favre had us at 8-3, we had just gone on a 7-1 run, and then Favre got hurt.  Had he not, we'd have finished 12-4 and won the division, not the lame ass Dolphins. 

One of the biggest tragedies in team history.  The Rex/Sanchez runs the next two seasons have put the 2008 campaign into the dustbin, but that was actually our best shot at a Super Bowl since 1998.

SAR I

Favre was a dog , woof woof ...

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1 hour ago, SAR I said:

Favre had us at 8-3, we had just gone on a 7-1 run, and then Favre got hurt.  Had he not, we'd have finished 12-4 and won the division, not the lame ass Dolphins. 

One of the biggest tragedies in team history.  The Rex/Sanchez runs the next two seasons have put the 2008 campaign into the dustbin, but that was actually our best shot at a Super Bowl since 1998.

SAR I

I think Favre’s arrogance and Mangini’s subsequent intimidation by Favre cost the team the season. Mangini lost his job because he couldn’t impose his authority over a one year rental.

Sanchez was flawed, but, Rex/ Tanny failed to address them and exacerbated them by filing to maintain offensive stability with offensive players and trying to hide his flaws rather than trying to correct them.

That being said, Rex could coach up a defense. As an example: I remember him beating the high powered Saints with a subpar team by holding them to low single digits.

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19 hours ago, THE BARON said:

I'm willing to hold out hope that Gase wakes up and builds an offense that fits Darnold instead of Peyton Manning.  We'll know by halftime 2020 regular season game one.   He has smarts and dedication, but as of yet, we have not seen wisdom. He has to make a destiny for himself apart from clinging to a boiler plate from his glorious past. 

Like Parcells said.  You never pick up where you left off last year.  You start new.  

Look how many fans talk about Bill Bellichick's "system".  His coaching style does not change, but what specific system does he use ??? None.  He changes the system according to the roster,  2004/5 Pats offense, vs. 2019.  Different animals. 

halftime of game 1 is a little extreme, don't you think?  if you are that intent to find fault with gase then please at least wait until game 8.  i'd guess we'll know where the season and team is going by then.

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19 hours ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said:

Chad , on his worst day , was better than redneck , old balls, I think i'll throw another pick ,  Favre .

i will say that when chaddy came for vinny back in 2001 (i think) he was really playing well.  sure he didn't have the arm strength but at the same time he was able to go deep a couple of times each game although after his arm surgeries he had maybe one deep pass available.  favre?  he was quite a player.  he knew how to play the game.  his jet problem is that he got injured and mangini and schitty kept him in games instead of sitting him.  and when he played it wasn't schitty calling the plays.

whose better?  too much shoulda, woulda, coulda.  overall favre was the better player.  chaddy was also good but was too limited, physically, to get the job done.

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25 minutes ago, rangerous said:

i will say that when chaddy came for vinny back in 2001 (i think) he was really playing well.  sure he didn't have the arm strength but at the same time he was able to go deep a couple of times each game although after his arm surgeries he had maybe one deep pass available.  favre?  he was quite a player.  he knew how to play the game.  his jet problem is that he got injured and mangini and schitty kept him in games instead of sitting him.  and when he played it wasn't schitty calling the plays.

whose better?  too much shoulda, woulda, coulda.  overall favre was the better player.  chaddy was also good but was too limited, physically, to get the job done.

Favre was a pimp

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