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@Paccagnan what do these HATERS know right???

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102008/article/2019-nfl-rookie-report-card-ranking-each-teams-class-1-to-32

2019 NFL rookie report card: Ranking each team's class, 1 to 32

 
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  • By Gennaro Filice and Nick Shook NFL.com
  • Published: Feb. 13, 2020 at 11:47 a.m.
  • Updated: Feb. 13, 2020 at 03:33 p.m.

The 2020 NFL Scouting Combine is just a couple weeks away, meaning the NFL draft is coming down the pike. But before completely shifting focus to the next crop of prospects entering the league, we took full stock of the rookies who just finished up Year 1.

Over the past couple weeks, NFL.com rolled out division-by-division files featuring grades for each team's rookie class, with Gennaro Filice and Nick Shook sharing the evaluation duties. Upon completion of this series, Filice and Shook had a meeting of the minds to officially rank every group, from 1 to 32. Here's the pecking order:

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Round 1: (No. 32 overall) N'Keal Harry, WR, 7 games/5 starts.
Round 2: (45) Joejuan Williams, CB, 9 games/0 starts.
Round 3: (77) Chase Winovich, DE, 16 games/0 starts; (87) Damien Harris, RB, 2 games/0 starts; (101) Yodny Cajuste, OT, 0 games/0 starts.
Round 4: (118) Hjalte Froholdt, OG, 0 games/0 starts; (133) Jarrett Stidham, QB, 3 games/0 starts.
Round 5: (159) Byron Cowart, DT, 5 games/0 starts; (163) Jake Bailey, P, 16 games/0 starts.
Round 7: (252) Ken Webster, CB, 8 games/5 starts (on Dolphins).
Notable rookie FA signings: Jakobi Meyers, WR, 15 games/1 start; Gunner Olszewski, PR, 8 games/0 starts.

Filice: As the first receiver ever selected in Round 1 by the Bill Belichick Patriots, Harry was supposed to provide a boost to a receiving corps that desperately needed some youthful exuberance. That did not occur. After spending the first half of the season on injured reserve with an ankle injury sustained in training camp, Harry returned to log just 14 grabs in eight games (including New England's wild-card loss). With a famously demanding quarterback at the controls, the rookie caught more of Tom Brady's ire than his passes. Patriots fans weren't too pleased seeing a number of receivers selected after Harry -- including A.J. Brown, DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin, Deebo Samuel, Diontae Johnson, Mecole Hardman and Darius Slayton -- immediately impacting their respective teams. On the plus side, Winovich played like the third-round steal everyone knew he'd be the moment New England nabbed him at No. 77 overall, efficiently racking up 5.5 sacks and 10 QB hits in just 293 defensive snaps. Pro Football Focus ranked him as the No. 14 rookie in the entire class. Stidham showed promise in the preseason, but anyone talking about him as the clear heir to the Tom Brady's throne is highly overcaffeinated. And probably drunk. Cajuste and Froholdt were essentially medical redshirts, but they will have ample opportunity to patch up the Pats' line in 2020. Bailey was pretty solid punting the football, though a poor effort on Wild Card Weekend left a bad taste in New Englanders' mouths.

 

 

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NEW YORK JETS: D

 

 

Round 1: (No. 3 overall) Quinnen Williams, DE, 13 games/9 starts.
Round 3: (68) Jachai Polite, DE, 0 games/0 starts (finished season on Rams); (92) Chuma Edoga, OT, 8 games/8 starts.
Round 4: (121) Trevon Wesco, TE, 16 games/1 starts.
Round 5: (157) Blake Cashman, LB, 7 games/5 starts.
Round 6: (196) Blessuan Austin, CB, 7 games/6 starts.
Notable rookie FA signings: Kyle Phillips, DE, 15 games/4 starts.

Filice: Fresh off a breakout redshirt sophomore season at Alabama, Williams was viewed as a slam-dunk selection when the Jets came on the clock at No. 3 overall. But his first campaign with New York was quite underwhelming. A penetrating, game-wrecking force of nature with the Tide, Williams was reduced to a block-eating space-filler on the Jets. Now, Gang Green didn't exactly put the rookie in a position to put up numbers -- routinely deploying him as more of a two-gapping defensive tackle, as opposed to putting him in a playmaking role -- but you can bet that everyone will expect more than 2.5 sacks and six QB hits in 2020. Sadly, the Jets' second selection went far worse. Polite, who had first-round buzz before completely bombing the pre-draft process, was released before the regular season even began. That's an unmitigated disaster for a Day 2 selection. Honestly, the Jets' last two picks were their best two picks, at least in terms of 2019 returns. Cashman was a sideline-to-sideline playmaker -- against both the run and pass -- before a shoulder injury in late October sidelined him for the season. (This is concerning, as the former Minnesota Golden Gopher had multiple shoulder surgeries in college.) Austin got a late start on the season, as he was recovering from a torn ACL, but he acquitted himself quite well when he hit the field. That is, before he gave up a bad touchdown pass against the Steelers in Week 16 and was banished to Gregg Williams' doghouse, never to be seen again. The lengthy cover man should get a chance to prove himself again in 2020.

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38 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

@Paccagnan what do these HATERS know right???

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102008/article/2019-nfl-rookie-report-card-ranking-each-teams-class-1-to-32

2019 NFL rookie report card: Ranking each team's class, 1 to 32

 
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  • By Gennaro Filice and Nick Shook NFL.com
  • Published: Feb. 13, 2020 at 11:47 a.m.
  • Updated: Feb. 13, 2020 at 03:33 p.m.

The 2020 NFL Scouting Combine is just a couple weeks away, meaning the NFL draft is coming down the pike. But before completely shifting focus to the next crop of prospects entering the league, we took full stock of the rookies who just finished up Year 1.

Over the past couple weeks, NFL.com rolled out division-by-division files featuring grades for each team's rookie class, with Gennaro Filice and Nick Shook sharing the evaluation duties. Upon completion of this series, Filice and Shook had a meeting of the minds to officially rank every group, from 1 to 32. Here's the pecking order:

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NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS: D+

 

 

Round 1: (No. 32 overall) N'Keal Harry, WR, 7 games/5 starts.
Round 2: (45) Joejuan Williams, CB, 9 games/0 starts.
Round 3: (77) Chase Winovich, DE, 16 games/0 starts; (87) Damien Harris, RB, 2 games/0 starts; (101) Yodny Cajuste, OT, 0 games/0 starts.
Round 4: (118) Hjalte Froholdt, OG, 0 games/0 starts; (133) Jarrett Stidham, QB, 3 games/0 starts.
Round 5: (159) Byron Cowart, DT, 5 games/0 starts; (163) Jake Bailey, P, 16 games/0 starts.
Round 7: (252) Ken Webster, CB, 8 games/5 starts (on Dolphins).
Notable rookie FA signings: Jakobi Meyers, WR, 15 games/1 start; Gunner Olszewski, PR, 8 games/0 starts.

Filice: As the first receiver ever selected in Round 1 by the Bill Belichick Patriots, Harry was supposed to provide a boost to a receiving corps that desperately needed some youthful exuberance. That did not occur. After spending the first half of the season on injured reserve with an ankle injury sustained in training camp, Harry returned to log just 14 grabs in eight games (including New England's wild-card loss). With a famously demanding quarterback at the controls, the rookie caught more of Tom Brady's ire than his passes. Patriots fans weren't too pleased seeing a number of receivers selected after Harry -- including A.J. Brown, DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin, Deebo Samuel, Diontae Johnson, Mecole Hardman and Darius Slayton -- immediately impacting their respective teams. On the plus side, Winovich played like the third-round steal everyone knew he'd be the moment New England nabbed him at No. 77 overall, efficiently racking up 5.5 sacks and 10 QB hits in just 293 defensive snaps. Pro Football Focus ranked him as the No. 14 rookie in the entire class. Stidham showed promise in the preseason, but anyone talking about him as the clear heir to the Tom Brady's throne is highly overcaffeinated. And probably drunk. Cajuste and Froholdt were essentially medical redshirts, but they will have ample opportunity to patch up the Pats' line in 2020. Bailey was pretty solid punting the football, though a poor effort on Wild Card Weekend left a bad taste in New Englanders' mouths.

 

 

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NEW YORK JETS: D

 

 

Round 1: (No. 3 overall) Quinnen Williams, DE, 13 games/9 starts.
Round 3: (68) Jachai Polite, DE, 0 games/0 starts (finished season on Rams); (92) Chuma Edoga, OT, 8 games/8 starts.
Round 4: (121) Trevon Wesco, TE, 16 games/1 starts.
Round 5: (157) Blake Cashman, LB, 7 games/5 starts.
Round 6: (196) Blessuan Austin, CB, 7 games/6 starts.
Notable rookie FA signings: Kyle Phillips, DE, 15 games/4 starts.

Filice: Fresh off a breakout redshirt sophomore season at Alabama, Williams was viewed as a slam-dunk selection when the Jets came on the clock at No. 3 overall. But his first campaign with New York was quite underwhelming. A penetrating, game-wrecking force of nature with the Tide, Williams was reduced to a block-eating space-filler on the Jets. Now, Gang Green didn't exactly put the rookie in a position to put up numbers -- routinely deploying him as more of a two-gapping defensive tackle, as opposed to putting him in a playmaking role -- but you can bet that everyone will expect more than 2.5 sacks and six QB hits in 2020. Sadly, the Jets' second selection went far worse. Polite, who had first-round buzz before completely bombing the pre-draft process, was released before the regular season even began. That's an unmitigated disaster for a Day 2 selection. Honestly, the Jets' last two picks were their best two picks, at least in terms of 2019 returns. Cashman was a sideline-to-sideline playmaker -- against both the run and pass -- before a shoulder injury in late October sidelined him for the season. (This is concerning, as the former Minnesota Golden Gopher had multiple shoulder surgeries in college.) Austin got a late start on the season, as he was recovering from a torn ACL, but he acquitted himself quite well when he hit the field. That is, before he gave up a bad touchdown pass against the Steelers in Week 16 and was banished to Gregg Williams' doghouse, never to be seen again. The lengthy cover man should get a chance to prove himself again in 2020.

Likely will produce 4 starters:  Williams, Edoga, Cashman and Austin, as well as two solid contributors (Phillips and Wesco).  I don't agree that this was a bad draft (Polite, of course, was a disaster).  It really turns on whether Williams plays better in future.

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This all lies at the feet of Chris Johnson.  He is 100% to blame for it. 

A blind chimp could see that the GM was atrocious so instead of doing the near minimum as an owner/CEO and changing the GM at the same time as the coach he let the GM have one last utterly disastrous off season, draft and FA period.

And perhaps the most galling thing of all was people giving him credit for getting rid of mac after he had f'cked the team one last time.

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25 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

Likely will produce 4 starters:  Williams, Edoga, Cashman and Austin, as well as two solid contributors (Phillips and Wesco).  I don't agree that this was a bad draft (Polite, of course, was a disaster).  It really turns on whether Williams plays better in future.

I'll be shocked in any of them, apart from Williams, become "starters" outside of the Jets.  Being a starter here is no prize, we're literally one of the thinnest, least talented teams in the NFL. 

Williams, we'll see, he was a non-entity in 2019 but he has years to prove that was the anomaly (I'm not counting on it). 

Cashman and Austin have depth spot potential on a more talented team.  If they start here, it's not because they're great, it's another sign of our limited and depleted talent pool.

Edoga, Phillips, Wesco, these guys do not look like starters or long-term depth guys at all so far.

As we always say, draft classes need a few years, and my eval. above is pure 2019 only.  We'll see how they all do (of if they're even retained) in 2020 and beyond. 

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6 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Alos Jets fans:  Take Maccs only All Pro Player and trade him please. 

To get a shot at drafting an All-Pro Tackle and an All-Pro WR, yes, absolutely, without any hesitation.

No risk, no reward.  And we're so bad we need to take a few risks, not double down on what we've been the past few.....decades.

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If anyone wants to pour some more gasoline on the fire that is hating Maccagnan, i suggest you watch his interview explaining picking Q at 3. He literally looks like he clueless. 

At one point a reporter asks, "is it a concern Q only started 1 full year at Bama" and his answer is laughable. He also mentions how there were offers on the table to trade down, but he liked staying put and taking Q more. Only my hate for the Pats rivals my hate for this DD coffee slurping mfer.

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22 minutes ago, Warfish said:

To get a shot at drafting an All-Pro Tackle and an All-Pro WR, yes, absolutely, without any hesitation.

No risk, no reward.  And we're so bad we need to take a few risks, not double down on what we've been the past few.....decades.

Yeah, trade a young All Pro player for the hope that you draft a WR or a T who could hopefully become an All Pro.  

Get rid of the only given in the equation.  For unknowns, if they're even available when those picks come up.

I believe in keeping your talent. 

 

 

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Quinnen Williams is 6-3, 305 with what appears to be a very high body fat percentage.

This year's Derrick Brown is 6-5, 325 and solid as a rock with great athleticism.

Watch where Brown gets picked (below 6) and how he plays in his first year.  

Picking Q was just a horrible pick.

I don't get how the Jets got a D.  It should have been an F.  

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Hindsight but imagine the roster if this were the draft -- instead we got stuck with Chuma Edoga when Evans/Jordan/ Edwards were all available!

1- Josh Allen (OLB, Pro Bowl)

3a- Devin Singletary or David Montgomery (RBs)

3b- Bobby Evans (OT) or Julian Love (CB)

4-  Michael Jordan (OG)

5- David Edwards (OT)

6- Bless Austin -- I'll throw Macc this one

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1 hour ago, Bruce Harper said:

Likely will produce 4 starters:  Williams, Edoga, Cashman and Austin, as well as two solid contributors (Phillips and Wesco).  I don't agree that this was a bad draft (Polite, of course, was a disaster).  It really turns on whether Williams plays better in future.

Agreed.  This draft will need more time.  Macc still svcks though.

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2 hours ago, Warfish said:

Edoga, Phillips, Wesco, these guys do not look like starters or long-term depth guys at all so far.

Agree with most of your post but I do think Kyle Phillips can continue to develop. He jumped out in a few games and maintained some consistency as this no-name DL made some big strides mid-season. Kyle Phillips, Foley and Nathan Shepherd were the spearheads to that #2 rushing defense.

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8 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Agree with most of your post but I do think Kyle Phillips can continue to develop. He jumped out in a few games and maintained some consistency as this no-name DL made some big strides mid-season. Kyle Phillips, Foley and Nathan Shepherd were the spearheads to that #2 rushing defense.

Thus proving you do not draft frigging DTS high.  McCagnan was so utterly stupid he made the mistake with Leo which every one could see so he doubles down 5 years later when we had needs all across the board.  He also was part of the front office which drafted David Carr and ignored the oline until it was too late and 10 years later he does the same thing.

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7 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Thus proving you do not draft frigging DTS high.  McCagnan was so utterly stupid he made the mistake with Leo which every one could see so he doubles down 5 years later when we had needs all across the board.  He also was part of the front office which drafted David Carr and ignored the oline until it was too late and 10 years later he does the same thing.

Exactly. Non-premium positions have a place and a round to be picked from. 

Definitely not the 1st round...top 5 nonetheless.

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I still have high hopes for this draft class.

Q will have a much better 2020 than 2019

Polite ?‍♂️
Edoga has a very good chance at being the starting RT this season

Wesco ...  EHHHH

Cashman   Played well before going on the IR... BUT injuries were his MO coming in

Austin  I’m praying he can be a good CB2 if not a CB1

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Still don't understand what their criteria is other than sh*tting on us.

Polite was a bust but we've had much worse draft classes than this from initial first season results.

Williams is only 22.  Edoga the Jets think so much about they already have him plugged in as starting RT next season.  Wesco is basically a blocking TE but I don't know what more is expected of him.  He wasn't asked to be more than that at WV.  Cashman is injury prone but could easily be on special teams for years.  And Austin turned out being the surprise and got more and more playing time as the season went on.  Then you add Phillips to that and that isn't a terrible draft class.  You maybe have three long term starters as a ceiling and a couple of long term contributors.

What this does tell me that is that this just continues the narrative that the Jets are bad and even if the Pats wasn't good either... they can't be as bad as the Jets.

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4 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Yeah, trade a young All Pro player for the hope that you draft a WR or a T who could hopefully become an All Pro.  

YEs.  Also, not "or", but "and".  Meaningful difference.

4 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Get rid of the only given in the equation.

Yes.

4 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

For unknowns

Yes.

4 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

, if they're even available when those picks come up.

Yes.

Because 2 EXTRA picks are two EXTRA players.

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I believe in keeping your talent. 

I believe in improving the team, especially the worst part of it, which in this case, is the worst of it's kind in the NFL (the Offense).

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Quinnen Williams will need to enter the HOF before this draft is anything above a D - a solid starting DT is a horrible and unforgivable #3 pick after just betting the farm on a FQB - someone needed to help Sam and the 2019 draft Failed, nothing will change that, ever

Draft grades should be heavily weighted on the first 3 rounds, the foundation of good teams and < 10% success rate for the Jets in the last decade, getting lucky at the end of the draft (by drafting injured players at a discount) is bonus points only - border line starters on a losing team will never equal a good draft

The Mac Foundation set the Williams family up for many generations.  I would love to see QW show the drive to earn a second contract but my guess is that he made his money and will be eating cheeseburgers in paradise - good for him, great story

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18 hours ago, Warfish said:

I'll be shocked in any of them, apart from Williams, become "starters" outside of the Jets.  Being a starter here is no prize, we're literally one of the thinnest, least talented teams in the NFL. 

Williams, we'll see, he was a non-entity in 2019 but he has years to prove that was the anomaly (I'm not counting on it). 

Cashman and Austin have depth spot potential on a more talented team.  If they start here, it's not because they're great, it's another sign of our limited and depleted talent pool.

Edoga, Phillips, Wesco, these guys do not look like starters or long-term depth guys at all so far.

As we always say, draft classes need a few years, and my eval. above is pure 2019 only.  We'll see how they all do (of if they're even retained) in 2020 and beyond. 

Your opinion of Austin is frankly ludicrous. Nothing about his performance showed anything other than starting caliber play. He was used less late in the year to prevent injury not because he gave up a TD to Pittsburgh. He was the 26th rated CB by PFF in the NFL and he consistently passed the eye test as a rookie in a complex defense. He is definitely a starter quality player as long as he stays healthy and could be a #1 CB in the NFL, rating close to that already in 2019

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37 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Your opinion of Austin is frankly ludicrous. Nothing about his performance showed anything other than starting caliber play. He was used less late in the year to prevent injury not because he gave up a TD to Pittsburgh. He was the 26th rated CB by PFF in the NFL and he consistently passed the eye test as a rookie in a complex defense. He is definitely a starter quality player as long as he stays healthy and could be a #1 CB in the NFL, rating close to that already in 2019

/shrug

Ok, cool enough, then CB is then logically not nearly as much of a draft need them. 

I'm good with that, more picks for the Offense! 

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18 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Yeah, trade a young All Pro player for the hope that you draft a WR or a T who could hopefully become an All Pro.  

Get rid of the only given in the equation.  For unknowns, if they're even available when those picks come up.

I believe in keeping your talent. 

 

 

To be honest I can see both sides of the coin here. Jamal is a good player. His stats are inflated from a in-the-box standpoint because of the way we utilize him and the lack of tangible pass rush ability elsewhere. He is solid in run support, and decent at coverage, though not in any way a ballhawk. He is definitely a top safety in the league but he is a safety.

Late in the year when he was out our defense didnt really seem all that different. As good as he is I am not sure he is that huge of an impact player.

He does of course make us a better team, he is a good leader, and it is good for teams to reward their drafted players that perform.

That said I can completely see the other side.

Say we get a 1st and 3rd for Jamal. Well if we turn that into a starting OL and WR that would definitely be a higher impact on the team than Jamal himself. Certainly a lot risk for draft picks, but I think it can be a justifiable risk.

 

 

 

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