CTM Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said: If only everyone agreed to think and saw things the same way. World would be so much simpler. Or .. every one could you know, genuinely consider alternative information even if it doesnt fit thier bias, preconceived notions and/or eye testes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, CTM said: Or .. every one could you know, genuinely consider alternative information even if it doesnt fit thier bias, preconceived notions and/or eye testes I would say the best solution is a combination of all. And don't hug anything 100% of the time and call it fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 The eye testes have ruled the day! Judging by their own eye testes of the thread of course. Huzzah!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, CTM said: The eye testes have ruled the day! Judging by their own eye testes of the thread of course. Huzzah!! Bad day at work today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: I would say the best solution is a combination of all. And don't hug anything 100% of the time and call it fact. Facts are that Darnold played a very weak slate of defenses in last 8 games. Another fact is that he holds the ball longer than most QB's. These are not debatable. What is debatable is how this information fits into an overall Darnold analysis. They fit very nicely into my view of him as an extremely raw but talented player. He's a puncher, not a boxer and maybe a top 5 pick for an unstructured game of beach football but thus far leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to the traits that consistently winning QB's like Brees, Brady and Manning consistantly display. I would very much like to significantly improve the talent around Darnold, which I think increases the likelihood that he puts it together and actually becomes a good QB. So we do that and see how next year goes. I don't believe this is in anyway a controversial opinion, but for some reason acknowledging outloud that Darnold is not a good QB today is triggering. That is fun to troll sometimes, I admit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Bad day at work today? I see you are quite adept at reading a room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, CTM said: Facts are that Darnold played a very weak slate of defenses in last 8 games. Another fact is that he holds the ball longer than most QB's. These are not debatable. What is debatable is how this information fits into an overall Darnold analysis. They fit very nicely into my view of him as an extremely raw but talented player. He's a puncher, not a boxer and maybe a top 5 pick for an unstructured game of beach football but thus far leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to the traits that consistently winning QB's like Brees, Brady and Manning consistantly display. I would very much like to significantly improve the talent around Darnold, which I think increases the likelihood that he puts it together and actually becomes a good QB. So we do that and see how next year goes. I don't believe this is in anyway a controversial opinion, but for some reason acknowledging outloud that Darnold is not a good QB today is triggering. That is fun to troll sometimes, I admit. I agree with all of this. Would I do not agree with is hugging any particular stat, and making pronouncements. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 ChadTheMan hates Sam and clings to any awful stat to try to prove his viewpoint, all while spelling tests with an extra e. Accurate summation of this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets512 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, CTM said: Facts are that Darnold played a very weak slate of defenses in last 8 games. Another fact is that he holds the ball longer than most QB's. These are not debatable. What is debatable is how this information fits into an overall Darnold analysis. They fit very nicely into my view of him as an extremely raw but talented player. He's a puncher, not a boxer and maybe a top 5 pick for an unstructured game of beach football but thus far leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to the traits that consistently winning QB's like Brees, Brady and Manning consistantly display. I would very much like to significantly improve the talent around Darnold, which I think increases the likelihood that he puts it together and actually becomes a good QB. So we do that and see how next year goes. I don't believe this is in anyway a controversial opinion, but for some reason acknowledging outloud that Darnold is not a good QB today is triggering. That is fun to troll sometimes, I admit. How do you not realize you're actually hammering home the point that the Offensive Line was bad by using the bad team argument? Despite how bad these teams are (#24, #28,#30,#31#32 ranked pass defense by dvoa - your stats), Sam still was pressured more than any QB in the league during that time. Furthermore, he played well. He did what you're supposed to do. He played well vs bad defenses. I'm really struggling to see how any of your points make sense. I like Sam. I'm not sold on Sam. I need to see a big improvement from him this coming year or I'll be as skeptical as you are, but I won't make the points you're making, because they're terrible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 55 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: I contend that it also favors qbs that extend plays behind the line, thus giving them more release time. you'll notice Brees is at the top lowest TT... TT favors the quick read decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, CTM said: Facts are that Darnold played a very weak slate of defenses in last 8 games. Another fact is that he holds the ball longer than most QB's. These are not debatable. What is debatable is how this information fits into an overall Darnold analysis. They fit very nicely into my view of him as an extremely raw but talented player. He's a puncher, not a boxer and maybe a top 5 pick for an unstructured game of beach football but thus far leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to the traits that consistently winning QB's like Brees, Brady and Manning consistantly display. I would very much like to significantly improve the talent around Darnold, which I think increases the likelihood that he puts it together and actually becomes a good QB. So we do that and see how next year goes. I don't believe this is in anyway a controversial opinion, but for some reason acknowledging outloud that Darnold is not a good QB today is triggering. That is fun to troll sometimes, I admit. he's andy dalton and we sold the farm for this. ie- sh*tty retrun on draft capital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 55 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: So then, qbs that beak out of the pocket have more time to throw. Amazing. That does not equate to being given great pass protection, which some seem to allude to here. That Darnold did not face pressure. No. Thats NOT The argument. the argument, is that he processes the game slow. if he was prssured so much youd think his TT would be low cos he has to get rid of it faster. btw, EVERYONE ADMITS THE OL WAS CRAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 thge lowest TT times are guys that get the ball, amake a read and get rid of ot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Sam got low RAM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jets512 said: How do you not realize you're actually hammering home the point that the Offensive Line was bad by using the bad team argument? Despite how bad these teams are (#24, #28,#30,#31#32 ranked pass defense by dvoa - your stats), Sam still was pressured more than any QB in the league during that time. I never said the Oline wasn't bad. In fact I acknowledge it over and over by stating I want to draft OL and/or sign FA OL. However, QB sacks / pressures are a QB stat as well. There's another stat that suggests he holds the ball longer than most QB's. Was this pressure stat controlled for that? I don't think so, I don't even see it sourced but tbh I don't care if it's true or not. Sam is a talented guy that can fare well against bad teams. Just like Chad used to use his play not to lose philosophy to beat bad teams. It's not hard to look good against bad teams https://www.thebiglead.com/2018/10/19/sacks-are-a-quarterback-stat/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Can someone please explain to me what I should glean from Sam’s TT in ‘18 & ‘19 being identical to the league MVPs in those years? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyJersey Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 4 hours ago, PepPep said: This is what I'm thinking. One thing I will say is a playoff berth I'm not sure about, just depends on how good the TEAM is and how many wins it will take to get a wild card. Who knows, we may need 11 wins to get a wild card berth. 11 wins aint happening unless the Jets luck i to some injury riddled opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyJersey Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Losmeister said: thats not how it works... you dont get to NOT COUNT the bad games. e-0weirdo. have made and kept bets for yeasrs, but hey, if you are afraid ofthe screen in front of you, thats on you., ALL GAMES COUNT!! You are a clown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyJersey Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 32 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: Can someone please explain to me what I should glean from Sam’s TT in ‘18 & ‘19 being identical to the league MVPs in those years? Thanks. That the people harping on it are trolling or choked on chicken bones in their youth. Advanced stats are nerds trying to ruin sports by over thinking. Same as they did for coffee, weed and beer. Wish they stuck to music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, greenwichjetfan said: ChadTheMan hates Sam and clings to any awful stat to try to prove his viewpoint, all while spelling tests with an extra e. Accurate summation of this thread? you're a shriveled up smelly sack of eye testes 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Losmeister said: We need numders, data on this... he makes a few plays on the move. DO you think the other QBs dont make a few plays on the move as well? “A few?” Do you guys actually watch the Jets play? Extending plays with his feet and throwing on the run has been Darnold’s biggest strength since he was in college. You are trying too hard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 “A few?” Do you guys actually watch the Jets play? Extending plays with his feet and throwing on the run has been Darnold’s biggest strength since he was in college. You are trying too hard Throwing picks of his back foot ... Seeing ghosts ... Getting sacked in field goal range ...... I hope he improves ... He needs to.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Just now, Dunnie said: Throwing picks of his back foot ... Seeing ghosts ... Getting sacked in field goal range ... ... I hope he improves ... He needs to. 6-2 wasn't good enough. Should have been 8-0. Bust. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 17 hours ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: with just average or better but real NFL talent on the OL? depends if gase is still calling garbage getting him killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Losmeister said: No. Thats NOT The argument. the argument, is that he processes the game slow. if he was prssured so much youd think his TT would be low cos he has to get rid of it faster. *sigh No. There are two things you can do when you get pressured - you can immediately get rid of the ball or you can avoid the pressure and keep the play alive with your legs. You are ignoring the second possibility. Conveniently, this is what Darnold does. Big Ben does the same thing, FYI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 6-2 wasn't good enough. Should have been 8-0. Bust. SAR II didn't say Bust ... I want elite.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dunnie said: Throwing picks of his back foot ... Seeing ghosts ... Getting sacked in field goal range ... ... I hope he improves ... He needs to. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk I wish this board had better trolls. You guys aren’t even creative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I wish this board had better trolls. You guys aren’t even creative. Sam would agree w/ meSent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: Not really interesting in this back and fourth you are trying to provoke. Wasn’t your guy supposed to be a MVP or something last offseason lol But but but he bRoKe tHe rOoKiE tD rEcOrD!!!!!!!!!!! plus, he’s tough cuz he grabs his balls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dunnie said: Sam would agree w/ me Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk No doubt no doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Finally a jets related eye testes that make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, CTM said: you're a shriveled up smelly sack of eye testes Lol. Now please opine: 1 hour ago, greenwichjetfan said: Can someone please explain to me what I should glean from Sam’s TT in ‘18 & ‘19 being identical to the league MVPs in those years? Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 47 minutes ago, CTM said: you're a shriveled up smelly sack of eye testes I also enjoy that this got you a potw rep from my biggest fan who seems to be back from his third or fourth self-imposed-JN-psychiatric-leave in the 1 year he’s been on the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: Lol. Now please opine: I mean 2019 is kinda self explanatory I think. Do you think LJ is a future successful pocket passer god forbid he lose his mobility? 2018 Mahommes was a 1st year player and both he and Darnold attempted a lot of deeper routes, Reids offense certainly by design. Is it really a surprise that a young QB wouldn't be Drew Brees'ing his way through his reads? The guy is just a ridiculously talented, probably the most talented QB i've seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, slimjasi said: *sigh No. There are two things you can do when you get pressured - you can immediately get rid of the ball or you can avoid the pressure and keep the play alive with your legs. You are ignoring the second possibility. Conveniently, this is what Darnold does. Big Ben does the same thing, FYI. @CTM just introduced Los’ to a new metric that can be used to slam Darnold merely 3 hours ago and now los’ is explaining to you all how it works like he invented it. nice work. this is effectively your fault CTM lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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