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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/feb/20/nfl-combine-drills-players-teams?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

"In an era in which every major college football game is aired on TV, scouting departments have swelled, analytics have become a bigger part of the evaluation equation, and players are tracked, measured and weighed from high school on up, you could be forgiven for wondering why the teams and prospects subject themselves to this annual sideshow" 

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25 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

In the morning when preparing the fields for Pro Days at universities they figure out which way the wind is blowing.  That will be the direction the players run their 40's.  They've also been known to run it on a slight decline (ex. in the direction of the rain runoff for fields).  QBs get to throw to their own WRs with whom they have a connection and comfort level.

The Combine lays all that bare.  Everyone runs the same 40 on the same exact turf and gets measured by the same exact tape measure.

Agreed.  It gives you a little insight in how they cope with feeling uncomfortable and when there are a lot of eyes on them.  It’s not an end all be all kind of thing, but just being able to check out these kids medically is huge.  We always see a few guys each year who get red-flagged with something that wasn’t diagnosed previously.  

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16 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Agreed.  It gives you a little insight in how they cope with feeling uncomfortable and when there are a lot of eyes on them.  It’s not an end all be all kind of thing, but just being able to check out these kids medically is huge.  We always see a few guys each year who get red-flagged with something that wasn’t diagnosed previously.  

Good point. Wasn't that a huge issue with Montez Sweat last year?

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1 hour ago, sec101row23 said:

That’s kind of a bulls**t article.  The combine provides a place to get actual unbiased measurements and times.  Schools constantly over-exaggerate measurements and times.  Remember Calvin Pryor being listed as 6’3” by Louisville ?....Lol.   That’s why everyone seems to run faster at their pro day.  It also, IMO provides the biggest benefit in being able to examine these kids medically.  It’s just another data point to use in evaluations. 

I agree with this, except (partially) the bold.  I think a big part in the difference in times is the electronic timing.  That is always a bit slower than a bunch of guys with stopwatches.  The difference can be significant - especially  when it is somebody's bud doing the timing.  That is how we got reports of Adams running a 4.33 at his pro day.  The combine gives us a chance to compare apples to apples - same surface, some conditions, same timing methods.

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47 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

In the morning when preparing the fields for Pro Days at universities they figure out which way the wind is blowing.  That will be the direction the players run their 40's.  They've also been known to run it on a slight decline (ex. in the direction of the rain runoff for fields).  QBs get to throw to their own WRs with whom they have a connection and comfort level.

The Combine lays all that bare.  Everyone runs the same 40 on the same exact turf and gets measured by the same exact tape measure.

I think they have started making them run the 40's once in each direction. 

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1 hour ago, sec101row23 said:

That’s kind of a bulls**t article.  The combine provides a place to get actual unbiased measurements and times.  Schools constantly over-exaggerate measurements and times.  Remember Calvin Pryor being listed as 6’3” by Louisville ?....Lol.   That’s why everyone seems to run faster at their pro day.  It also, IMO provides the biggest benefit in being able to examine these kids medically.  It’s just another data point to use in evaluations. 

That is really what it was for originally, the medicals.

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You also get a rare side by side by side comparison of a lot of players.  As I said in another post previously.  Deshaun WAtson supposedly had a weaker arm with 'poor velocity' on his throws.  At the combine next to all the other QBs his throws were just as good and his accuracy was better.

The combine and pro days are not useful?  Two words Jachai Polite.  Awful combine followed up by a terrible pro day and Mike McCganan is sprinting to the podium with the draft card in his hand.

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OBJ was freaking amazing running the gauntlet & and knew right then & there this dude had special skills. Too bad he's a fruit loop. 

When I look back on our drafts under Macc it amazes me to this day just how ill prepared he was, how he truly had no plan in place & how guys I wanted him to draft were better prospects than the guys he took? 

Im just a plain old football fan. NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. In JD I trust, we didn't just save a guy like Macc who was going to be fired in Houston, we truly had to recruit this guy away from a team that didn't want him to leave. Don't be surprised if we make a couple of moves that shock. I believe based on how hard this team played down the stretch that there are enough Leaders on this team to placate a couple of BAD BOYS, or undesirables. We need a talent infusion. I'm not sitting here saying go get a guy like OBJ, though he'd instantly be one of the best players on this roster. Your not going to have an entire roster of Choir boys in the NFL. 

Dallas won with guys like Irving & Haley, KC just won a Super Bowl with a moron that broke his kids arm, the Patriots tried to bring in Antonio Brown under the cloak of he's just misunderstood. I'm tired of losing, I'm tired of watching a talentless offense, I'm tired of not seeing explosive offensive plays. 

I don't know how JD will go about getting guys in here that can protect Sam, and skill players to surround him with but I'll be willing to hold my nose if he brings in a couple of surprises. A guy like OBJ might be a bit crazy, but this guy is way better than Braylon Edwards, Burress, Mason, and whoever else we brought in in the past. 

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1 minute ago, Jetster said:

OBJ was freaking amazing running the gauntlet & and knew right then & there this dude had special skills. Too bad he's a fruit loop. 

When I look back on our drafts under Macc it amazes me to this day just how ill prepared he was, how he truly had no plan in place & how guys I wanted him to draft were better prospects than the guys he took? 

Im just a plain old football fan. NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. In JD I trust, we didn't just save a guy like Macc who was going to be fired in Houston, we truly had to recruit this guy away from a team that didn't want him to leave. Don't be surprised if we make a couple of moves that shock. I believe based on how hard this team played down the stretch that there are enough Leaders on this team to placate a couple of BAD BOYS, or undesirables. We need a talent infusion. I'm not sitting here saying go get a guy like OBJ, though he'd instantly be one of the best players on this roster. Your not going to have an entire roster of Choir boys in the NFL. 

Dallas won with guys like Irving & Haley, KC just won a Super Bowl with a moron that broke his kids arm, the Patriots tried to bring in Antonio Brown under the cloak of he's just misunderstood. I'm tired of losing, I'm tired of watching a talentless offense, I'm tired of not seeing explosive offensive plays. 

I don't know how JD will go about getting guys in here that can protect Sam, and skill players to surround him with but I'll be willing to hold my nose if he brings in a couple of surprises. A guy like OBJ might be a bit crazy, but this guy is way better than Braylon Edwards, Burress, Mason, and whoever else we brought in in the past. 

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54 minutes ago, section314 said:

Missed it, I guess. What happened?

Max welded the ban hammer.

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2 hours ago, Sarge4Tide said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/feb/20/nfl-combine-drills-players-teams?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

"In an era in which every major college football game is aired on TV, scouting departments have swelled, analytics have become a bigger part of the evaluation equation, and players are tracked, measured and weighed from high school on up, you could be forgiven for wondering why the teams and prospects subject themselves to this annual sideshow" 

Seeing the players off the field, in interviews, interacting while they are waiting, there is value in that as well.

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1 hour ago, peebag said:

I miss JW12.

He will be back I am sure. He just has to avoid personal attacks.

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59 minutes ago, Maxman said:

He will be back I am sure. He just has to avoid personal attacks.

I don't really miss him.

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2 hours ago, chirorob said:

That is really what it was for originally, the medicals.

the most important part of the combine is not shown on TV 

dont forget about the league's precious piss tests as well 

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This article is full of politics and race.  Inferring white executives and coaches analyzing black athletes , hinting towards slavery.  Horsech#t article.   

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Where else can you get away with asking a person if their mother is a prostitute in a job interview.

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1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Where else can you get way with asking a person if their mother is a prostitute in a job interview.

besides Jet Nation? no where 

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Another point this idiotic article misses

its a huge opportunity for certain under the radar players to boost their stock 

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1 hour ago, nico002 said:

Another point this idiotic article misses

its a huge opportunity for certain under the radar players to boost their stock 

Yeah, but if they are invited to the combine they aren't really under the radar.

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Best example of this is our very own Jamal Adams, who is apparently only a 4.4 40 yard dash runner in the state of Lousiana.

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There is also a ton of off the field business (and play) that gets done here.  When else are all of the owners, key front office personnel, agents, and coaching staffs all in the same city for 5 straight days?  It is a very opportune time to get things done other than scouting players.

The owner of the steakhouse discussed in these articles is a client of my Firm.  Myself and a few other attorneys pony up to the bar on Combine Friday at happy hour and just watch all of the action.  Last year I was drunkely attempting to get info about the new unis from a few Jets scouts. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/03/02/nfl-combine-you-dont-see-tv-is-fueled-by-information-lubricated-by-wine/

 

https://deadspin.com/the-combine-at-night-is-where-the-nfl-happens-1823506988

 

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, sec101row23 said:

That’s kind of a bulls**t article.  The combine provides a place to get actual unbiased measurements and times.  Schools constantly over-exaggerate measurements and times.  Remember Calvin Pryor being listed as 6’3” by Louisville ?....Lol.   That’s why everyone seems to run faster at their pro day.  It also, IMO provides the biggest benefit in being able to examine these kids medically.  It’s just another data point to use in evaluations. 

All which could be done without a combine but yeah, I like it too

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7 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

In the morning when preparing the fields for Pro Days at universities they figure out which way the wind is blowing.  That will be the direction the players run their 40's.  They've also been known to run it on a slight decline (ex. in the direction of the rain runoff for fields).  QBs get to throw to their own WRs with whom they have a connection and comfort level.

The Combine lays all that bare.  Everyone runs the same 40 on the same exact turf and gets measured by the same exact tape measure.

Plus the 38 yard 40’s.

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If a player was not a good football player, pass.

For the good football players, the combine allows you to measure them physically compared to their peers.  

It is also a mental and physical character test which is important. 

if you see Quinnen in his underwear at the combine, you pick him in the second round.  He did not have the body to start right away in the nfl, which is what that pick was supposed to be. 

Polite bombs-you don’t draft him. 

The Combine is not the deciding factor-it is second and third step confirmation. 

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the combine is another example of the nfl drumming up significance and advertisement during the off season.  it also helps the morons at espn et al be relevant. obviously some players can get helped out by a good showing but i don't think the combine can substituted for actual in game situations.

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On 2/20/2020 at 7:18 AM, Jetster said:

I'm tired of losing, I'm tired of watching a talentless offense, I'm tired of not seeing explosive offensive plays. 

ahhhhhh

fugging

men

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23 hours ago, jmat321 said:

This article is full of politics and race.  Inferring white executives and coaches analyzing black athletes , hinting towards slavery.  Horsech#t article.   

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/12/magazine/1619-project-slave-auction-sites.html

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On 2/20/2020 at 8:39 AM, KRL said:

The article misses the point of what kind of society/culture we live in.  Social
media has led people to "thirst for attention" and the Combine provides that.
When the NFL Network started covering it you could hear a pin drop during 
drills, now its a prime time event over 4 days.  Its now "content", the NFL Olympics

But the counterpoint is this data is already available for every one of these players, some going back as far as freshman year of high school. This is an NFL circle jerk where college players who were kinda okay get to impress the impressionable. Or in Quinnen Williams' case, I don't know what the f___ a certain GM was thinking last year. So you have bad GMs like Maccagnan who use this data as deciding factors rather than common sense of what was known from their play in college and the measurables any NCAA team could give them on the spot. That's how  bad teams pass on Mahomes and Watson for a safety. 

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