Combine News, Notes & Updates

[Jimmy 2 Times]

4 hours ago, Sarge4Tide said:

 

 

 

His head is perfectly round.  

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

I think there’s a lot of Jamal-related anxiety in the base because re-signing him is the safe, chalk thing to do and trading him would take guts, so it’s a big early test for how much of a spine Douglas has. This moment in time is eerily similar to when we were on the clock with Quinnen Williams on the board: the easy move was to take him, even though he doesn’t make the team appreciably better, and the ballsy move—the one that shows you the GM has a sense of urgency toward winning a title—was to trade down. When Maccagnan took Quinnen, you knew the Jets weren’t serious about winning by helping Sam Darnold improve. It’ll be the same if/when they hold the press conference to announce they have Jamal Adams $100 million dollars. The rubes will like it, but anyone who follows the team will recognize the feel of quicksand under their collective feet. 

This a bit unfair to Douglas, who hasnt even had an offseason to show what he can do.  Douglas answered the phone, he heard what a team was offering and decided it wasnt enough.  To call him spineless for not pulling off a trade that nobody truly knows the return value on is pretty harsh.  Especially when the topic of conversation is the best player to play for this team in long long time who other than being full of himself, isnt a complete sh*tbird that you're wasting money on.  You know Jamal Adams will play for every dollar of that contract.  The risk could be worth the reward or it could be the stain that cant be removed that prevents him from ever having this type of a job again.  

Your analogy is totally bogus.  A draft decision is so much more cut and dry than the decision between trading your best player/signing him to a long term deal.  It's really not comparable. 

This narrative that the Jets are doomed if the resign Jamal Adams might be one of the most ridiculous chicken little takes I've ever heard in my entire life.  It's amusing but ridiculous.  Could it make the Jets better?  Maybe.  But Douglas doesnt need to trade Jamal to make that happen.    Douglas will show his worth with how he address the draft in years to come.  He's not fixing this mess in one offseason. 

[sec101row23]

7 minutes ago, JiF said:

This a bit unfair to Douglas, who hasnt even had an offseason to show what he can do.  Douglas answered the phone, he heard what a team was offering and decided it wasnt enough.  To call him spineless for not pulling off a trade that nobody truly knows the return value on is pretty harsh.  Especially when the topic of conversation is the best player to play for this team in long long time who other than being full of himself, isnt a complete sh*tbird that you're wasting money on.  You know Jamal Adams will play for every dollar of that contract.  The risk could be worth the reward or it could be the stain that cant be removed that prevents him from ever having this type of a job again.  

Your analogy is totally bogus.  A draft decision is so much more cut and dry than the decision between trading your best player/signing him to a long term deal.  It's really not comparable. 

This narrative that the Jets are doomed if the resign Jamal Adams might be one of the most ridiculous chicken little takes I've ever heard in my entire life.  It's amusing but ridiculous.  Could it make the Jets better?  Maybe.  But Douglas doesnt need to trade Jamal to make that happen.    Douglas will show his worth with how he address the draft in years to come.  He's not fixing this mess in one offseason. 

Totally agree.  I’m not even an Adams fan, but people have lost their minds over this.  Signing Adams doesn’t hamper the Jets in the ways that people are making it out to be.  Like you said. It’s amusing but ridiculous.  

[Augustiniak]

21 minutes ago, JiF said:

This a bit unfair to Douglas, who hasnt even had an offseason to show what he can do.  Douglas answered the phone, he heard what a team was offering and decided it wasnt enough.  To call him spineless for not pulling off a trade that nobody truly knows the return value on is pretty harsh.  Especially when the topic of conversation is the best player to play for this team in long long time who other than being full of himself, isnt a complete sh*tbird that you're wasting money on.  You know Jamal Adams will play for every dollar of that contract.  The risk could be worth the reward or it could be the stain that cant be removed that prevents him from ever having this type of a job again.  

Your analogy is totally bogus.  A draft decision is so much more cut and dry than the decision between trading your best player/signing him to a long term deal.  It's really not comparable. 

This narrative that the Jets are doomed if the resign Jamal Adams might be one of the most ridiculous chicken little takes I've ever heard in my entire life.  It's amusing but ridiculous.  Could it make the Jets better?  Maybe.  But Douglas doesnt need to trade Jamal to make that happen.    Douglas will show his worth with how he address the draft in years to come.  He's not fixing this mess in one offseason. 

For many jet fans, signing Adams to a long term deal and making him the most expensive player on the team, would (rightly or wrongly) signify that the new gm is not fully committed to building an offense.  Of course, the jets are usually looking to free agency to fill key offensive needs b/c they ignore them in the draft and then can’t come close to drafting them when mccagnan and idzik tried.

truth, the main reason why signing Adams to a long term deal shouldn’t affect whatever else douglas wants to do, is because besides darnold there is simply nobody else who was drafted by the team who will need to be paid anything substantial.  

We can debate whether you should pay or trade Adams, or how much value his position has in the modern nfl, but he is not the problem.  If paying Adams were an issue, then you’d be looking at a good drafting team like the ravens where they have to let good guys walk in FA b/c they can’t pay everyone and have viable cheaper substitutes.  

[T0mShane]

36 minutes ago, JiF said:

This a bit unfair to Douglas, who hasnt even had an offseason to show what he can do.  Douglas answered the phone, he heard what a team was offering and decided it wasnt enough.  To call him spineless for not pulling off a trade that nobody truly knows the return value on is pretty harsh.  Especially when the topic of conversation is the best player to play for this team in long long time who other than being full of himself, isnt a complete sh*tbird that you're wasting money on.  You know Jamal Adams will play for every dollar of that contract.  The risk could be worth the reward or it could be the stain that cant be removed that prevents him from ever having this type of a job again.  

Your analogy is totally bogus.  A draft decision is so much more cut and dry than the decision between trading your best player/signing him to a long term deal.  It's really not comparable. 

This narrative that the Jets are doomed if the resign Jamal Adams might be one of the most ridiculous chicken little takes I've ever heard in my entire life.  It's amusing but ridiculous.  Could it make the Jets better?  Maybe.  But Douglas doesnt need to trade Jamal to make that happen.    Douglas will show his worth with how he address the draft in years to come.  He's not fixing this mess in one offseason. 

I wasn’t saying that Douglas would be spineless for signing Adams, just that it’d be reminiscent of spineless Jets moves from prior years. IMO, if the opportunity exists to turn Adams into significant pieces that can elevate Darnold and he passes on that opportunity, then he’s a fool and we’re doomed

[Dinamite]

19 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I wasn’t saying that Douglas would be spineless for signing Adams, just that it’d be reminiscent of spineless Jets moves from prior years. IMO, if the opportunity exists to turn Adams into significant pieces that can elevate Darnold and he passes on that opportunity, then he’s a fool and we’re doomed

I agree with you that if he can turn Adams in true assets that help the offense (e.g., the rumored Dallas #1 and an OL or another high pick) then great.    But would you not also agree that trading Adam for less than he is worth (late first or early second) is not a good idea?  I would rather keep the great player at that time and be sure to hit on my draft picks instead.

[T0mShane]

11 minutes ago, Dinamite said:

I agree with you that if he can turn Adams in true assets that help the offense (e.g., the rumored Dallas #1 and an OL or another high pick) then great.    But would you not also agree that trading Adam for less than he is worth (late first or early second) is not a good idea?  I would rather keep the great player at that time and be sure to hit on my draft picks instead.

Absolutely. I think the pro-Adams people in this argument think the trade-Adams people are saying we should cut him or let him walk as a free agent. Not the case. Adams is a rare Jets asset and there allegedly exists a market for his services. 

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Absolutely. I think the pro-Adams people in this argument think the trade-Adams people are saying we should cut him or let him walk as a free agent. Not the case. Adams is a rare Jets asset and there allegedly exists a market for his services. 

I'd prefer that over paying him what he thinks he's worth.  

[Scoop24]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I'd prefer that over paying him what he thinks he's worth.  

That hate runs deep huh 

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

That hate runs deep huh 

I support the Jets.  Not any one player.  We need a quality offense far more than we need to be spending huge cap dollars on an ILB and SS.  

[RobR]

Does every thread on here need to turn into a Jamal Adams thread? Like there's not enough threads already talking about him.

So much for a thread about the combine. SMH

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

He's not fixing this mess in one offseason. 

If he gives Jamal $17+ per, he’s probably not going to fix this mess at all

[T0mShane]

10 minutes ago, RobR said:

Does every thread on here need to turn into a Jamal Adams thread? Like there's not enough threads already talking about him.

So much for a thread about the combine. SMH

Nothing has happened yet

[HighPitch]

5 hours ago, Warfish said:

Are you?  Are you ignorant of the concept?

Cultural Appropriation is a cultural issue, not a political issue, so feel free to speak your mind.  There are no rules here at JN barring cultural discussions, as long as they remain civil and don't get corrupted by politics.

 

Forget it warfish......You're rabble rousing for a debate. Again.

The whole Cultural Appropriation concept is rooted in extreme political correctness and therefore political.

Youre not a dumb ass, so stop frontin

[Sarge4Tide]

My pre-combine Jets board to #11

Chase Young DE

Jeff Okudah CB

Jedrick Wills OL

Ceedee Lamb WR

Mekhi Becton OL

Jerry Jeudy WR

Tristan Wirfs OT

Anthony Thomas OT

Isaiah Simmons LB

K'Lavon Chassoin Edge

Henry Ruggs WR

[David Harris]

10 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Jeeeezzzz

I’d say he’s getting better

[jetsons]

In Joe Douglas I Trust... 

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1kvJpXwwjLOJE

[Big_Slick]

3 hours ago, Dinamite said:

I agree with you that if he can turn Adams in true assets that help the offense (e.g., the rumored Dallas #1 and an OL or another high pick) then great.    But would you not also agree that trading Adam for less than he is worth (late first or early second) is not a good idea?  I would rather keep the great player at that time and be sure to hit on my draft picks instead.

I wouldn't take anything less than a late first and a late third. If Dallas offered their first I'd take that deal straight up for Adams. Devoting a large portion of the Jets cap space to a non-impact position is foolish and will hinder the team from spending that money on impact positions. It doesn't matter if Adams is the best player at an non-impact position because in today's NFL SS is absolutely still a non-impact position.

If JD can't get the value he thinks is fair then let Adams play out his fourth year and then pick up the fifth year option on his rookie contract. No way should the Jets give him a huge long term extension.

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, Sarge4Tide said:

My pre-combine Jets board to #11

Chase Young DE

Jeff Okudah CB

Jedrick Wills OL

Ceedee Lamb WR

Mekhi Becton OL

Jerry Jeudy WR

Tristan Wirfs OT

Anthony Thomas OT

Isaiah Simmons LB

K'Lavon Chassoin Edge

Henry Ruggs WR

Lamb and Jeudy ahead of Wirfs and Thomas?  I'd actually be upset if the jets picked either of them ahead of Thomas and wirfs.

[MS jets Fan]

Well JD said that the only OL under contract is Winters.   So with only one starter seems pretty cut and dry OL is the priority at 11.   Makes sense to me because if Sam is under siege all game. Selecting WR is not worth getting until Sam has time to throw to them.  

[RobR]

14 minutes ago, MS jets Fan said:

Well JD said that the only OL under contract is Winters.   So with only one starter seems pretty cut and dry OL is the priority at 11.   Makes sense to me because if Sam is under siege all game. Selecting WR is not worth getting until Sam has time to throw to them.  

Harrison is also under contract. 

[jetstream23]

2 hours ago, Sarge4Tide said:

My pre-combine Jets board to #11

Chase Young DE

Jeff Okudah CB

Jedrick Wills OL

Ceedee Lamb WR

Mekhi Becton OL

Jerry Jeudy WR

Tristan Wirfs OT

Anthony Thomas OT

Isaiah Simmons LB

K'Lavon Chassoin Edge

Henry Ruggs WR

Get K’Lavon out and put OT Josh Jones instead and I’m with you!

[David Harris]

11 hours ago, Warfish said:

Well.....we're not going to get anything back because it isn't going to happen. 

Because it sounds like Douglas has made his decision, and publicly.

I'm glad the fans who think Adams is irreplaceable will be happy. 

Very. Happy.

agree to disagree.

jets were 1-7 with Adams. Sam was sick and out most of it. the entire stacked 2018 49ers team sucked without Garoppolo and they got the 2nd overall pick because of it.

I believe a single defensive player can not win and entire football game by himself. This argument is inane, as is the anachronistic thinking Jamal Adams is just a safety.  He is a “playmaker” and is exactly the type of Swiss Army knife every team is dying to get, a versatile Uber athlete who can  play any position and regularly effect the game.’

Revis guys, Khalil Mack guys, they help you win games - but besides isolated exceptions, not by themselves 

Keep the foundational guys especially the ones tailor made for position less defense in the match up NFL

[David Harris]

Where are these OT arm Measurements listed?

[14 in Green]

6 hours ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

 

 

His head is perfectly round.  

I mean, jeez.

JD is about a dozen donuts from a starring role in "My 600 pound Life".

Order a salad once in a while....

[TokyoJetsFan]

16 hours ago, IndianaJet said:

 

 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

4 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

I mean, jeez.

JD is about a dozen donuts from a starring role in "My 600 pound Life".

Order a salad once in a while....

Grow the beard out.  Oval that face a bit.  Try a high profile hat.

 

 

Why doesn't Gase or JD wear Jet gear?

It's all generic UA.

[Jetster]

The trade market for Jamal Adams has dried up. It was only Dallas with interest & they have to sign Dak & Cooper. 

No one else is in the mix. JD made it VERY CLEAR if anyone wants Jamal Adams it will cost them. Word was he asked for an Olineman + a 1st & 3rd, and rightfully so. 

This ain't no firesale for god sakes. The chances of Adams being traded now are less than 5%. We're not giving up draft picks to redo his contract. Anyone else that's interested is giving up a lot & paying him a ton of money. That's why these discussions of his impending trade are null & Void.

[Jetsfan80]

47 minutes ago, Jetster said:

The trade market for Jamal Adams has dried up. It was only Dallas with interest & they have to sign Dak & Cooper. 

Link?

[Matt39]

14 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I think there’s a lot of Jamal-related anxiety in the base because re-signing him is the safe, chalk thing to do and trading him would take guts, so it’s a big early test for how much of a spine Douglas has. This moment in time is eerily similar to when we were on the clock with Quinnen Williams on the board: the easy move was to take him, even though he wouldn’t make the team appreciably better, and the ballsy move—the one that would show you the GM has a sense of urgency toward winning a title—was to trade down. When Maccagnan took Quinnen, you knew the Jets weren’t serious about winning because they’re weren’t doing sh*t to help Sam Darnold improve. It’ll be the same if/when they hold the press conference to announce they gave Jamal Adams $100 million dollars. The rubes will like it, but anyone who follows the team will recognize the feel of quicksand under their collective feet. 

I hope I'm wrong but it feels like JD was the safe hire and the Jets will continue to putz down the "eye-test" only track with the owner getting his two cents in on players like Adams. I do think there will be more of a focus on o-line, but I get the sense the org (ownership) is already all in on Adams and Darnold, regardless of W/L.

[Lith]

6 hours ago, David Harris said:

Where are these OT arm Measurements listed?

Here is a site that is keeping all measurements updated.  OL i spasted in below:

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/NFL-Combine-2020-schedule-results-measurements-athletic-testing-144187776/#144187776_5

 

Player	Pos	School	Ht	Wt	Arm	Hand	Wing
Trey Adams	OT	Washington	6-8	318	34 3/8	9 7/8	81 1/2
Hakeem Adeniji	OT	Kansas	6-4 3/8	302	33 3/4	10	82 3/8
Tremayne Anchrum	OG	Clemson	6-1 7/8	314	33 5/8	9 5/8	80 1/2
Ben Bartch	OT	St. John's (MN)	6-5 3/4	309	32 7/8	9	80 1/2
Mekhi Becton	OT	Louisville	6-7 3/8	364	35 5/8	10 3/4	83 1/4
Tyler Biadasz	OC	Wisconsin	6-3 5/8	314	32 1/4	10	79 7/8
Ben Bredeson	OG	Michigan	6-4 5/8	315	31 1/8	10 1/8	76 3/4
Cohl Cabral	OC	Arizona State	6-4 7/8	300	32 1/4	10	78 1/2
Saahdiq Charles	OT	LSU	6-4 1/8	321	33	10	80 3/8
Cameron Clark	OT	Charlotte	6-4 1/2	308	34 1/8	11	82 3/4
Ezra Cleveland	OT	Boise State	6-6	311	33 3/8	9	80 3/8
Trystan Colon-Castillo	OC	Missouri	6-3	313	30 1/2	9 1/4	76 1/4
Lloyd Cushenberry III	OC	LSU	6-3 1/8	312	34 1/8	10 3/8	84 1/4
Jack Driscoll	OT	Auburn	6-4 5/8	306	33	9 7/8	78 1/2
Yasir Durant	OG	Missouri	6-6	331	34 3/4	9 1/2	82 3/4
Jake Hanson	OC	Oregon	6-4 3/8	303	32 3/4	9 1/4	78
Nick Harris	OC	Washington	6-0 7/8	302	32 1/8	9 3/4	77 1/2
Charlie Heck	OT	North Carolina	6-7 5/8	311	34 1/8	10 1/4	82 1/4
Matt Hennessey	OC	Temple	6-3 7/8	307	32 1/4	10	79 3/4
Justin Herron	OT	Wake Forest	6-3 5/8	308	33 1/2	8 7/8	80 1/2
Robert Hunt	OG	Louisiana	6-5 1/8	323	33 1/2	10 3/4	82
Keith Ismael	OC	San Diego State	6-2 7/8	309	32 1/4	10	78 7/8
Cordel Iwuagwu	OG	TCU	6-2 7/8	309	33 3/4	10 1/8	81
Austin Jackson	OT	USC	6-4 7/8	322	34 1/8	10 1/4	82
Jonah Jackson	OG	Ohio State	6-3 1/2	306	33 1/2	10 1/2	77 7/8
Josh Jones	OT	Houston	6-5	319	33 7/8	10 1/8	79 7/8
Solomon Kindley	OG	Georgia	6-3 1/4	337	32 1/4	10	77 3/4
Shane Lemieux	OG	Oregon	6-3 7/8	310	32 1/4	9 1/2	77
Damien Lewis	OG	LSU	6-2	327	33	10 1/4	79 1/2
Colton McKivitz	OT	West Virginia	6-6 1/8	306	33 3/4	10	81 5/8
John Molchon	OG	Boise State	6-5 1/4	309	31 1/8	9 1/2	76 1/2
Kyle Murphy	OG	Rhode Island	6-3 1/4	316	33 7/8	10	79 7/8
Netane Muti	OG	Fresno State	6-2 7/8	315	31 3/4	10 5/8	76 1/2
Lucas Niang	OT	TCU	6-6	315	34 1/4	10 1/2	83 1/8
Michael Onwenu	OG	Michigan	6-2 5/8	344	34 3/8	10 1/2	82
Matt Peart	OT	UConn	6-6 5/8	318	36 5/8	9 1/2	86 1/2
Tyre Phillips	OT	Mississippi State	6-5	331	35 1/8	10 3/8	84 5/8
Danny Pinter	OG	Ball State	6-4 1/4	306	31 7/8	9 1/2	77 7/8
Cesar Ruiz	OC	Michigan	6-2 3/4	307	33 1/8	11	79 5/8
Jon Runyan Jr.	OT	Michigan	6-4 1/4	306	33 1/4	9 1/8	79 5/8
John Simpson	OG	Clemson	6-4 1/8	321	34 1/8	11 1/4	82 3/8
Terence Steele	OT	Texas Tech	6-5 7/8	312	35 1/8	9 1/2	85 1/2
Logan Stenberg	OG	Kentucky	6-6	317	32 1/2	10 1/4	80
Simon Stepaniak	OG	Indiana	6-4 1/8	313	32	10 3/8	79 7/8
Alex Taylor	OT	South Carolina State	6-8 3/8	308	36 1/8	11 1/4	88
Andrew Thomas	OT	Georgia	6-5 1/8	315	36 1/8	10 1/4	83 1/2
Calvin Throckmorton	OT	Oregon	6-5	317	32 1/2	9 1/2	77 7/8
Prince Tega Wanogho	OT	Auburn	6-5	308	33 1/2	10 3/8	80 3/4
Darryl Williams	OC	Mississippi State	6-2 3/8	304	32 1/8	9 3/4	77 7/8
Jedrick Wills Jr.	OT	Alabama	6-4 1/4	312	34 1/4	10	83 1/2
Isaiah Wilson	OT	Georgia	6-6 1/2	350	35 1/2	10 1/4	84 3/8
Tristan Wirfs	OT	Iowa	6-4 7/8	320	34	10 1/4	80 1/4

[Lith]

9 hours ago, Sarge4Tide said:

My pre-combine Jets board to #11

Chase Young DE

Jeff Okudah CB

Jedrick Wills OL

Ceedee Lamb WR

Mekhi Becton OL

Jerry Jeudy WR

Tristan Wirfs OT

Anthony Thomas OT

Isaiah Simmons LB

K'Lavon Chassoin Edge

Henry Ruggs WR

Good list.  Not sure I would have Okudah quite that high, and I would move Ruggs up ahead of Simmons and Chaisson.

[sec101row23]

Hopefully this thread gets back on track...

 

 

[sec101row23]

 

[Lith]

1 minute ago, sec101row23 said:

Hopefully this thread gets back on track...

 

 

Was just about to post his.  And I promise I will not post anything or make mention of a certain player that seems to derail every thread around here.