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It's not a game but I'm so damn excited. You guys in this draft forum are great and I can't wait until we start seeing some numbers on these guys.

Here's what I'm looking forward to knowing. 

1) FINALLY being able to judge where EDGE players belong

2)  Which Mid-Round WRs that will put up 40 times that change their narrative

The offseason gets a jolt for the next 4 days. 

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Hopefully this thread stays on track.  Maybe being the draft forum will keep out the riff raff.   
 

Should be fun watching this WR group run.  

I just noticed they are starting at 4pm today, going all the way to around 11pm.  

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1 minute ago, SR24 said:

I'm pissed it's starting so late!!!

Me too.  I usually put it on in my office and it kills the day for me..Lol.  

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9 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Over/under on Ruggs’ vertical.  I’ll set it at 39”. 
 

I say over at 40.5”. 

 

7 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Over/Under Higgins 40....4.57

 

I say just under at 4.55. 

I will take the over on both.  Ruggs at 40' and Tee at 4.6 (so maybe he makes it to 48)

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10 minutes ago, Lith said:

 

I will take the over on both.  Ruggs at 40' and Tee at 4.6 (so maybe he makes it to 48)

 

10 minutes ago, Lith said:

 

I will take the over on both.  Ruggs at 40' and Tee at 4.6 (so maybe he makes it to 48)

Would be interesting if Tee falls to the 2nd round.  I would be in favor of trading up from 48 to let’s say 35 or 36 by giving up pick 79 in the 3rd.  Value wise that is more than enough.  

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Before we all get too crazy iover 40 times and test results -- Here are some combine numbers for 16 WRs with most receptions in 2019.  Was originally gonna do 15, but since Crowder was 16th, I epxended the list to include a Jet.  Not much crazy athleticism, except Julio and maybe DJ Moore.

Player Tm Rec Yds Ht Wt 40 Vert 3 Cone Broad Jump
Michael Thomas NOR 149 1,725 6-3 212 4.57 35.0 6.80 126
Keenan Allen LAC 104 1,199 6-2 211 4.71 36.0    
DeAndre Hopkins HOU 104 1,165 6-1 212 4.57 36.0   115
Julian Edelman NWE 100 1,117 5-10 198 4.52 36.5 6.62 123
Julio Jones ATL 99 1,394 6-3 220 4.34 38.5 6.66 135
Allen Robinson CHI 98 1,147 6-2 220 4.60 39.0 7.00 127
Cooper Kupp LAR 94 1,161 6-2 208 4.62 31.0 6.75 116
Tyler Boyd CIN 90 1,046 6-2 203 4.58 34.0 6.90 119
Robert Woods LAR 90 1,134 6-0 195 4.51 33.5 7.15 117
D.J. Moore CAR 87 1,175 5-11 215 4.42 39.5 6.95 132
Chris Godwin TAM 86 1,333 6-1 209 4.42 36.0 7.01 126
Davante Adams GNB 83 997 6-1 215 4.56 39.5 6.82 123
Jarvis Landry CLE 83 1,174 5-11 196 4.58 28.5 7.55 110
Tyler Lockett SEA 82 1,057 5-10 182 4.40 35.5 6.89 121
Amari Cooper DAL 79 1,189 6-1 210 4.42 33.0 6.71 120
Jamison Crowder NYJ 78 833 5-9 177 4.56 37.0 7.17 115
                   
Average       6-0 1/2 205.2 4.52 35.5 6.93 121.7
Median       6 - 1 209.5 4.56 36.0 6.90 121.0
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what's on the menu today? I'm sadly out of the loop. Ridiculously busy at work and veggie out in the evening on games. 

Also, i think i've become numb after years of disappointment at this time of year., 

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1 minute ago, Paradis said:

what's on the menu today? I'm sadly out of the loop. Ridiculously busy at work and veggie out in the evening on games. 

Also, i think i've become numb after years of disappointment at this time of year., 

QB, WR & TE workouts.  Boradcast on NFLN starting at 4 ET.

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3 minutes ago, Lith said:

QB, WR & TE workouts.  Boradcast on NFLN starting at 4 ET.

ahhh Tight Ends you say.

Feel a flu coming on by Lunch. 

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5 minutes ago, Paradis said:

ahhh Tight Ends you say.

Feel a flu coming on by Lunch. 

Strange, but I feel a similar ailment coming on, but maybe an hour or two later for me.

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22 minutes ago, Guilhermezmc said:

why is it so late wtf

Thought I read somewhere that ratings were down for last year's broadcasts, so they are moving it to primetime.  Pretty sure the WRs will be last up tonight for that reason.

 

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53 minutes ago, Lith said:

Thought I read somewhere that ratings were down for last year's broadcasts, so they are moving it to primetime.  Pretty sure the WRs will be last up tonight for that reason.

 

Basically, the NFL realized they’ll get millions of eyes on for a prime time combine. Today is the day in least excited for since I view most of these metrics as unimportant for WRs. Just don’t be glacially slow.

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59 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Basically, the NFL realized they’ll get millions of eyes on for a prime time combine. Today is the day in least excited for since I view most of these metrics as unimportant for WRs. Just don’t be glacially slow.

I am not sure how well it will work out for them.  The combine has such a small niche audience that I can't see it drawing a whole lot more in prime time than during the day.  Most of the hardcore fans who follow the run up to the draft are going to watch it regardless of when it is on.  I can't see the causal football fan tuning in, much less sitting through several hours of prime time coverage.

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4 hours ago, Lith said:

Before we all get too crazy iover 40 times and test results -- Here are some combine numbers for 16 WRs with most receptions in 2019.  Was originally gonna do 15, but since Crowder was 16th, I epxended the list to include a Jet.  Not much crazy athleticism, except Julio and maybe DJ Moore.

 

 

Player Tm Rec Yds Ht Wt 40 Vert 3 Cone Broad Jump
Michael Thomas NOR 149 1,725 6-3 212 4.57 35.0 6.80 126
Keenan Allen LAC 104 1,199 6-2 211 4.71 36.0    
DeAndre Hopkins HOU 104 1,165 6-1 212 4.57 36.0   115
Julian Edelman NWE 100 1,117 5-10 198 4.52 36.5 6.62 123
Julio Jones ATL 99 1,394 6-3 220 4.34 38.5 6.66 135
Allen Robinson CHI 98 1,147 6-2 220 4.60 39.0 7.00 127
Cooper Kupp LAR 94 1,161 6-2 208 4.62 31.0 6.75 116
Tyler Boyd CIN 90 1,046 6-2 203 4.58 34.0 6.90 119
Robert Woods LAR 90 1,134 6-0 195 4.51 33.5 7.15 117
D.J. Moore CAR 87 1,175 5-11 215 4.42 39.5 6.95 132
Chris Godwin TAM 86 1,333 6-1 209 4.42 36.0 7.01 126
Davante Adams GNB 83 997 6-1 215 4.56 39.5 6.82 123
Jarvis Landry CLE 83 1,174 5-11 196 4.58 28.5 7.55 110
Tyler Lockett SEA 82 1,057 5-10 182 4.40 35.5 6.89 121
Amari Cooper DAL 79 1,189 6-1 210 4.42 33.0 6.71 120
Jamison Crowder NYJ 78 833 5-9 177 4.56 37.0 7.17 115
                   
Average       6-0 1/2 205.2 4.52 35.5 6.93 121.7
Median       6 - 1 209.5 4.56 36.0 6.90 121.0

Can we make this mandatory reading for anyone before posting in the draft forum? Wide receiver 40 times are fun but so overrated. I hope certain guys run poorly and increase the chance of the Jets getting a good day 2 value. All about age adjusted market share and weight.

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2 hours ago, derp said:

Can we make this mandatory reading for anyone before posting in the draft forum? Wide receiver 40 times are fun but so overrated. I hope certain guys run poorly and increase the chance of the Jets getting a good day 2 value. All about age adjusted market share and weight.

@Lith 

Yeah, but in fairness this list is sorted by receptions which is a stat that favors the tall/lumbering possession receiver types, or the short area quick guys (that can get open) but don't have long speed.   If we adjusted this chart to reflect receiving yards we'd likely see a skew in the athletic averages.  

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13 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said:

@Lith 

Yeah, but in fairness this list is sorted by receptions which is a stat that favors the tall/lumbering possession receiver types, or the short area quick guys (that can get open) but don't have long speed.   If we adjusted this chart to reflect receiving yards we'd likely see a skew in the athletic averages.  

I will take a look.  Will post it in a few minutes.

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Bench Results for 3 OT targets

Wirfs: 24

Becton: 23

Thomas: 21

I will add can attest first hand that Iowa deemphasizes the bench press A LOT in their S&C program, so Wirfs still leading(Wills DNP) the pack of the top guys in that excercise speaks volumes to his raw strength.  Obviously he likely has trained specifically for the combine more recently, but the last 3-4 years not so much.

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11 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said:

@Lith 

Yeah, but in fairness this list is sorted by receptions which is a stat that favors the tall/lumbering possession receiver types, or the short area quick guys (that can get open) but don't have long speed.   If we adjusted this chart to reflect receiving yards we'd likely see a skew in the athletic averages.  

I looked at yards a few weeks ago. It’s the same group but you add DeVante Parker (4.45), Kenny Golladay (4.50), Mike Evans (4.53), and Stefon Diggs (4.46). You lose Crowder, Lockett, Adams, and Boyd. (4.40, 4.56, 4.56, and 4.58). Not a dramatic skew. You actually lose the second fastest guy on the list and the fastest is a freak way beyond pure speed.

Guys who can play in the mid 4.4’s to mid 4.5’s are fine. Dudes get overdrafted when they run in the 4.2’s and 4.3’s but lack size. Being fast doesn’t make you bad, I’ll take Julio Jones and Calvin Johnson every day of the week, but those guys are all around height weight speed freaks. I don’t think running by guys translates at the NFL level. Need to have the strength and ball skills to win at the catch point and the agility to get open. Wheels are gravy.

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5 minutes ago, derp said:

I looked at yards a few weeks ago. It’s the same group but you add DeVante Parker (4.45), Kenny Golladay (4.50), Mike Evans (4.53), and Stefon Diggs (4.46). You lose Crowder, Lockett, Adams, and Boyd. (4.40, 4.56, 4.56, and 4.58). Not a dramatic skew. You actually lose the second fastest guy on the list and the fastest is a freak way beyond pure speed.

Guys who can play in the mid 4.4’s to mid 4.5’s are fine. Dudes get overdrafted when they run in the 4.2’s and 4.3’s but lack size. Being fast doesn’t make you bad, I’ll take Julio Jones and Calvin Johnson every day of the week, but those guys are all around height weight speed freaks. I don’t think running by guys translates at the NFL level. Need to have the strength and ball skills to win at the catch point and the agility to get open. Wheels are gravy.

Yup.  Not much difference between the two lists.  I think there is a minimum level of athleticism you need to succeed, but being a top NFL  WR is more about having the skills needed to succeed moreso than athhleticism.  Route running, hands, ability to high point and win contested balls.  Have those skills with great athleticism, and you are looking at a stud like Julio Jones.  Here are top 16 in yards:

Player   Rec Yds Ht Wt 40 Vert 3 Cone Broad Jump
Michael Thomas NOR 149 1,725 6-3 212 4.57 35.0 6.80 126
Julio Jones ATL 99 1,394 6-3 220 4.34 38.5 6.66 135
Chris Godwin TAM 86 1,333 6-1 209 4.42 36.0 7.01 126
DeVante Parker MIA 72 1,202 6-3 209 4.45 36.5   125
Keenan Allen LAC 104 1,199 6-2 211 4.71 36.0    
Kenny Golladay DET 65 1,190 6-4 218 4.50 35.5 7.00 120
Amari Cooper DAL 79 1,189 6-1 210 4.42 33.0 6.71 120
D.J. Moore CAR 87 1,175 5-11 215 4.42 39.5 6.95 132
Jarvis Landry CLE 83 1,174 5-11 196 4.58 28.5 7.55 110
DeAndre Hopkins HOU 104 1,165 6-1 212 4.57 36.0   115
Cooper Kupp LAR 94 1,161 6-2 208 4.62 31.0 6.75 116
Mike Evans TAM 67 1,157 6-5 231 4.53 37.0 7.08  
Allen Robinson CHI 98 1,147 6-2 220 4.60 39.0 7.00 127
Robert Woods LAR 90 1,134 6-0 195 4.51 33.5 7.15 117
Stefon Diggs MIN 63 1,130 6-0 195 4.46 35.0 7.03 115
Julian Edelman NE 100 1,117 5-10 198 4.52 36.5 6.62 123
                   
Average       6-0 1/2 209.9 4.51 35.4 6.95 121.9
Median       6 - 1 210.5 4.52 36.0 7.00 121.5

 

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Tee is sitting out, not a good look.  I heard he was testing poorly, this kind of confirms it.  

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7 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Tee is sitting out, not a good look.  I heard he was testing poorly, this kind of confirms it.  

I just popped into the express the same disappointment... hard to recall a player that looked so promising (and not in a big 12 comic book way) have such a hard time finishing the process right now...  guy's stock keeps taking hits... *sigh*

On the bright side, #48 might become a possibility. 

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7 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I just popped into the express the same disappointment... hard to recall a player that looked so promising (and not in a big 12 comic book way) have such a hard time finishing the process right now...  guy's stock keeps taking hits... *sigh*

On the bright side, #48 might become a possibility. 

Mike Williams did the same thing, I didn’t like it then, and I dont like it now.  

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Just now, sec101row23 said:

4.45 for Claypool.  That’s awesome for him.  

That’s big considering everyone wanted him to switch to TE.

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13 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

4.45 for Claypool.  That’s awesome for him.  

At almost 6’5” and 240 lbs. Mismatch nightmare.

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15 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

4.45 for Claypool.  That’s awesome for him.  

Wow didn't see that coming.

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