kdels62 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 It's not a game but I'm so damn excited. You guys in this draft forum are great and I can't wait until we start seeing some numbers on these guys. Here's what I'm looking forward to knowing. 1) FINALLY being able to judge where EDGE players belong 2) Which Mid-Round WRs that will put up 40 times that change their narrative The offseason gets a jolt for the next 4 days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Hopefully this thread stays on track. Maybe being the draft forum will keep out the riff raff. Should be fun watching this WR group run. I just noticed they are starting at 4pm today, going all the way to around 11pm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 I'm pissed it's starting so late!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, SR24 said: I'm pissed it's starting so late!!! Me too. I usually put it on in my office and it kills the day for me..Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Over/under on Ruggs’ vertical. I’ll set it at 39”. I say over at 40.5”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Over/Under Higgins 40....4.57 I say just under at 4.55. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 I’ve never been this excited for receiver 40 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Over/under on Ruggs’ vertical. I’ll set it at 39”. I say over at 40.5”. 7 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Over/Under Higgins 40....4.57 I say just under at 4.55. I will take the over on both. Ruggs at 40' and Tee at 4.6 (so maybe he makes it to 48) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, Lith said: I will take the over on both. Ruggs at 40' and Tee at 4.6 (so maybe he makes it to 48) 10 minutes ago, Lith said: I will take the over on both. Ruggs at 40' and Tee at 4.6 (so maybe he makes it to 48) Would be interesting if Tee falls to the 2nd round. I would be in favor of trading up from 48 to let’s say 35 or 36 by giving up pick 79 in the 3rd. Value wise that is more than enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Before we all get too crazy iover 40 times and test results -- Here are some combine numbers for 16 WRs with most receptions in 2019. Was originally gonna do 15, but since Crowder was 16th, I epxended the list to include a Jet. Not much crazy athleticism, except Julio and maybe DJ Moore. Player Tm Rec Yds Ht Wt 40 Vert 3 Cone Broad Jump Michael Thomas NOR 149 1,725 6-3 212 4.57 35.0 6.80 126 Keenan Allen LAC 104 1,199 6-2 211 4.71 36.0 DeAndre Hopkins HOU 104 1,165 6-1 212 4.57 36.0 115 Julian Edelman NWE 100 1,117 5-10 198 4.52 36.5 6.62 123 Julio Jones ATL 99 1,394 6-3 220 4.34 38.5 6.66 135 Allen Robinson CHI 98 1,147 6-2 220 4.60 39.0 7.00 127 Cooper Kupp LAR 94 1,161 6-2 208 4.62 31.0 6.75 116 Tyler Boyd CIN 90 1,046 6-2 203 4.58 34.0 6.90 119 Robert Woods LAR 90 1,134 6-0 195 4.51 33.5 7.15 117 D.J. Moore CAR 87 1,175 5-11 215 4.42 39.5 6.95 132 Chris Godwin TAM 86 1,333 6-1 209 4.42 36.0 7.01 126 Davante Adams GNB 83 997 6-1 215 4.56 39.5 6.82 123 Jarvis Landry CLE 83 1,174 5-11 196 4.58 28.5 7.55 110 Tyler Lockett SEA 82 1,057 5-10 182 4.40 35.5 6.89 121 Amari Cooper DAL 79 1,189 6-1 210 4.42 33.0 6.71 120 Jamison Crowder NYJ 78 833 5-9 177 4.56 37.0 7.17 115 Average 6-0 1/2 205.2 4.52 35.5 6.93 121.7 Median 6 - 1 209.5 4.56 36.0 6.90 121.0 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 what's on the menu today? I'm sadly out of the loop. Ridiculously busy at work and veggie out in the evening on games. Also, i think i've become numb after years of disappointment at this time of year., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Paradis said: what's on the menu today? I'm sadly out of the loop. Ridiculously busy at work and veggie out in the evening on games. Also, i think i've become numb after years of disappointment at this time of year., QB, WR & TE workouts. Boradcast on NFLN starting at 4 ET. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paradis Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lith said: QB, WR & TE workouts. Boradcast on NFLN starting at 4 ET. ahhh Tight Ends you say. Feel a flu coming on by Lunch. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Paradis said: ahhh Tight Ends you say. Feel a flu coming on by Lunch. Strange, but I feel a similar ailment coming on, but maybe an hour or two later for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 why is it so late wtf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, Guilhermezmc said: why is it so late wtf Thought I read somewhere that ratings were down for last year's broadcasts, so they are moving it to primetime. Pretty sure the WRs will be last up tonight for that reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 53 minutes ago, Lith said: Thought I read somewhere that ratings were down for last year's broadcasts, so they are moving it to primetime. Pretty sure the WRs will be last up tonight for that reason. Basically, the NFL realized they’ll get millions of eyes on for a prime time combine. Today is the day in least excited for since I view most of these metrics as unimportant for WRs. Just don’t be glacially slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 59 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Basically, the NFL realized they’ll get millions of eyes on for a prime time combine. Today is the day in least excited for since I view most of these metrics as unimportant for WRs. Just don’t be glacially slow. I am not sure how well it will work out for them. The combine has such a small niche audience that I can't see it drawing a whole lot more in prime time than during the day. Most of the hardcore fans who follow the run up to the draft are going to watch it regardless of when it is on. I can't see the causal football fan tuning in, much less sitting through several hours of prime time coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Lith said: Before we all get too crazy iover 40 times and test results -- Here are some combine numbers for 16 WRs with most receptions in 2019. Was originally gonna do 15, but since Crowder was 16th, I epxended the list to include a Jet. Not much crazy athleticism, except Julio and maybe DJ Moore. Player Tm Rec Yds Ht Wt 40 Vert 3 Cone Broad Jump Michael Thomas NOR 149 1,725 6-3 212 4.57 35.0 6.80 126 Keenan Allen LAC 104 1,199 6-2 211 4.71 36.0 DeAndre Hopkins HOU 104 1,165 6-1 212 4.57 36.0 115 Julian Edelman NWE 100 1,117 5-10 198 4.52 36.5 6.62 123 Julio Jones ATL 99 1,394 6-3 220 4.34 38.5 6.66 135 Allen Robinson CHI 98 1,147 6-2 220 4.60 39.0 7.00 127 Cooper Kupp LAR 94 1,161 6-2 208 4.62 31.0 6.75 116 Tyler Boyd CIN 90 1,046 6-2 203 4.58 34.0 6.90 119 Robert Woods LAR 90 1,134 6-0 195 4.51 33.5 7.15 117 D.J. Moore CAR 87 1,175 5-11 215 4.42 39.5 6.95 132 Chris Godwin TAM 86 1,333 6-1 209 4.42 36.0 7.01 126 Davante Adams GNB 83 997 6-1 215 4.56 39.5 6.82 123 Jarvis Landry CLE 83 1,174 5-11 196 4.58 28.5 7.55 110 Tyler Lockett SEA 82 1,057 5-10 182 4.40 35.5 6.89 121 Amari Cooper DAL 79 1,189 6-1 210 4.42 33.0 6.71 120 Jamison Crowder NYJ 78 833 5-9 177 4.56 37.0 7.17 115 Average 6-0 1/2 205.2 4.52 35.5 6.93 121.7 Median 6 - 1 209.5 4.56 36.0 6.90 121.0 Can we make this mandatory reading for anyone before posting in the draft forum? Wide receiver 40 times are fun but so overrated. I hope certain guys run poorly and increase the chance of the Jets getting a good day 2 value. All about age adjusted market share and weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 hours ago, derp said: Can we make this mandatory reading for anyone before posting in the draft forum? Wide receiver 40 times are fun but so overrated. I hope certain guys run poorly and increase the chance of the Jets getting a good day 2 value. All about age adjusted market share and weight. @Lith Yeah, but in fairness this list is sorted by receptions which is a stat that favors the tall/lumbering possession receiver types, or the short area quick guys (that can get open) but don't have long speed. If we adjusted this chart to reflect receiving yards we'd likely see a skew in the athletic averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said: @Lith Yeah, but in fairness this list is sorted by receptions which is a stat that favors the tall/lumbering possession receiver types, or the short area quick guys (that can get open) but don't have long speed. If we adjusted this chart to reflect receiving yards we'd likely see a skew in the athletic averages. I will take a look. Will post it in a few minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Bench Results for 3 OT targets Wirfs: 24 Becton: 23 Thomas: 21 I will add can attest first hand that Iowa deemphasizes the bench press A LOT in their S&C program, so Wirfs still leading(Wills DNP) the pack of the top guys in that excercise speaks volumes to his raw strength. Obviously he likely has trained specifically for the combine more recently, but the last 3-4 years not so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said: @Lith Yeah, but in fairness this list is sorted by receptions which is a stat that favors the tall/lumbering possession receiver types, or the short area quick guys (that can get open) but don't have long speed. If we adjusted this chart to reflect receiving yards we'd likely see a skew in the athletic averages. I looked at yards a few weeks ago. It’s the same group but you add DeVante Parker (4.45), Kenny Golladay (4.50), Mike Evans (4.53), and Stefon Diggs (4.46). You lose Crowder, Lockett, Adams, and Boyd. (4.40, 4.56, 4.56, and 4.58). Not a dramatic skew. You actually lose the second fastest guy on the list and the fastest is a freak way beyond pure speed. Guys who can play in the mid 4.4’s to mid 4.5’s are fine. Dudes get overdrafted when they run in the 4.2’s and 4.3’s but lack size. Being fast doesn’t make you bad, I’ll take Julio Jones and Calvin Johnson every day of the week, but those guys are all around height weight speed freaks. I don’t think running by guys translates at the NFL level. Need to have the strength and ball skills to win at the catch point and the agility to get open. Wheels are gravy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, derp said: I looked at yards a few weeks ago. It’s the same group but you add DeVante Parker (4.45), Kenny Golladay (4.50), Mike Evans (4.53), and Stefon Diggs (4.46). You lose Crowder, Lockett, Adams, and Boyd. (4.40, 4.56, 4.56, and 4.58). Not a dramatic skew. You actually lose the second fastest guy on the list and the fastest is a freak way beyond pure speed. Guys who can play in the mid 4.4’s to mid 4.5’s are fine. Dudes get overdrafted when they run in the 4.2’s and 4.3’s but lack size. Being fast doesn’t make you bad, I’ll take Julio Jones and Calvin Johnson every day of the week, but those guys are all around height weight speed freaks. I don’t think running by guys translates at the NFL level. Need to have the strength and ball skills to win at the catch point and the agility to get open. Wheels are gravy. Yup. Not much difference between the two lists. I think there is a minimum level of athleticism you need to succeed, but being a top NFL WR is more about having the skills needed to succeed moreso than athhleticism. Route running, hands, ability to high point and win contested balls. Have those skills with great athleticism, and you are looking at a stud like Julio Jones. Here are top 16 in yards: Player Rec Yds Ht Wt 40 Vert 3 Cone Broad Jump Michael Thomas NOR 149 1,725 6-3 212 4.57 35.0 6.80 126 Julio Jones ATL 99 1,394 6-3 220 4.34 38.5 6.66 135 Chris Godwin TAM 86 1,333 6-1 209 4.42 36.0 7.01 126 DeVante Parker MIA 72 1,202 6-3 209 4.45 36.5 125 Keenan Allen LAC 104 1,199 6-2 211 4.71 36.0 Kenny Golladay DET 65 1,190 6-4 218 4.50 35.5 7.00 120 Amari Cooper DAL 79 1,189 6-1 210 4.42 33.0 6.71 120 D.J. Moore CAR 87 1,175 5-11 215 4.42 39.5 6.95 132 Jarvis Landry CLE 83 1,174 5-11 196 4.58 28.5 7.55 110 DeAndre Hopkins HOU 104 1,165 6-1 212 4.57 36.0 115 Cooper Kupp LAR 94 1,161 6-2 208 4.62 31.0 6.75 116 Mike Evans TAM 67 1,157 6-5 231 4.53 37.0 7.08 Allen Robinson CHI 98 1,147 6-2 220 4.60 39.0 7.00 127 Robert Woods LAR 90 1,134 6-0 195 4.51 33.5 7.15 117 Stefon Diggs MIN 63 1,130 6-0 195 4.46 35.0 7.03 115 Julian Edelman NE 100 1,117 5-10 198 4.52 36.5 6.62 123 Average 6-0 1/2 209.9 4.51 35.4 6.95 121.9 Median 6 - 1 210.5 4.52 36.0 7.00 121.5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Tee is sitting out, not a good look. I heard he was testing poorly, this kind of confirms it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Tee is sitting out, not a good look. I heard he was testing poorly, this kind of confirms it. I just popped into the express the same disappointment... hard to recall a player that looked so promising (and not in a big 12 comic book way) have such a hard time finishing the process right now... guy's stock keeps taking hits... *sigh* On the bright side, #48 might become a possibility. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Paradis said: I just popped into the express the same disappointment... hard to recall a player that looked so promising (and not in a big 12 comic book way) have such a hard time finishing the process right now... guy's stock keeps taking hits... *sigh* On the bright side, #48 might become a possibility. Mike Williams did the same thing, I didn’t like it then, and I dont like it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 4.45 for Claypool. That’s awesome for him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 Just now, sec101row23 said: 4.45 for Claypool. That’s awesome for him. That’s big considering everyone wanted him to switch to TE. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: 4.45 for Claypool. That’s awesome for him. At almost 6’5” and 240 lbs. Mismatch nightmare. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Justin Jefferson with a 4.44, good time for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: 4.45 for Claypool. That’s awesome for him. Wow didn't see that coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Claypool follows it up with a 4.43. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Prospect breakdowns are up: http://www.nfl.com/combine/participants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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