jgb Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Well it means something when your team has to acquire players Spend the $60 mil in cap room on Thuney, Conklin and resigning Beachum Yeah it means we drafted like garbage. I hope we sign those guys. We will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 13 hours ago, Philc1 said: Well it means something when your team has to acquire players Spend the $60 mil in cap room on Thuney, Conklin and resigning Beachum Right. Make Conklin the big splash if we need one. or any variation of solid o line help. My perfect scenario would be Conklin and Thuney, but I'd be almost as happy with Bulaga and Glasgow. Even Connor McGovern. Throw some good money at the o line. any variation of the group of FA o linemen and I'm good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time suffering Jets f Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, GREENBEAN said: Right. Make Conklin the big splash if we need one. or any variation of solid o line help. My perfect scenario would be Conklin and Thuney, but I'd be almost as happy with Bulaga and Glasgow. Even Connor McGovern. Throw some good money at the o line. any variation of the group of FA o linemen and I'm good. That's my line of thinking too. Go balls to the wall and sign Conklin and Thuney. Then on draft night take Jeudy/Lamb round 1. Round 2 draft Ruiz/Hennessy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 hours ago, GREENBEAN said: Right. Make Conklin the big splash if we need one. or any variation of solid o line help. My perfect scenario would be Conklin and Thuney, but I'd be almost as happy with Bulaga and Glasgow. Even Connor McGovern. Throw some good money at the o line. any variation of the group of FA o linemen and I'm good. We can significantly upgrade the OL in free agency and get a legit #1 WR like Jeudy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 16 hours ago, Philc1 said: We can significantly upgrade the OL in free agency and get a legit #1 WR like Jeudy I hear ya but The tackle talent falls off of a cliff after the top 5 or so. Take a look at Trey Adams Combine performance for an example. The Wr group is very different. There are guys who are almost on the same level as Jeudy, maybe even better who can be had in the 2nd and even 3rd. I just think it's smart to play the hand that's in front of us. Taking a LT at #11 makes so much sense. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 8 hours ago, GREENBEAN said: I hear ya but The tackle talent falls off of a cliff after the top 5 or so. Take a look at Trey Adams Combine performance for an example. The Wr group is very different. There are guys who are almost on the same level as Jeudy, maybe even better who can be had in the 2nd and even 3rd. I just think it's smart to play the hand that's in front of us. Taking a LT at #11 makes so much sense. Yeah but we actually need to draft multiple WRs we are that in the hole at the position 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 We can significantly upgrade the OL in free agency and get a legit #1 WR like JeudyRight. And that would be better than most of the last ten years if drafting. The problem is that a FA solution at OL is basically a short term solution. And I struggle thinking these guys will want to come here unless we overpay. Drafting a top tier LT this year is a great opportunity. But I get what you’re saying. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 16 hours ago, Philc1 said: Yeah but we actually need to draft multiple WRs we are that in the hole at the position And we can. Even with a T @ #11. Here is my hope for best case scenario. 1. We trade back with Denver and grab their 2nd, but probably 3rd rd pick. 2. We land Wirfs or Andrew Thomas, Becton or Josh Jones at #15. 3. If Justin Jefferson, Higgins or Reagor fall to 48 we take one. If not we take Cushenberry, Biadasz or DE Tyler lewis there. 4. If we take an o lineman in the 2nd, we grab Michael Pittman jr with our first 3rd and maybe Claypool or another WR. D-Peoples-Jones etc. with the second. 5. With the Denver 3rd we go CB like AJ Terell or Fulton or Edge depending on if we go Edge in the 2nd. If not Defense then another o lineman G like a Solomon Kindley, Bredeson or Throckmorton. and on and on. But the main point is that we can grab STUDS in the 2nd or 3rd at WR. Even Van Jefferson or Shenault are gonna be beasts imo. It's a good time to need what we need as far as offense. My only real fear is whether or not JD is gonna be a smart GM or will he be a cute GM who takes K'lavon Chaisson in the first or Isaiah Simmons or some "smartest man in the room" BS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 18 hours ago, GREENBEAN said: Right. And that would be better than most of the last ten years if drafting. The problem is that a FA solution at OL is basically a short term solution. And I struggle thinking these guys will want to come here unless we overpay. Drafting a top tier LT this year is a great opportunity. But I get what you’re saying. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Look if Thomas or Becton fall to 11 I’m all for drafting them. Both those guys are studs That said Wills over Jeudy? No way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 10:31 PM, Darnold Schwarzenegger said: Your absolutely right. This draft is stacked. Even if Douglas goes O line, O-line like you say here, he can still get 2 stud Wrs in the 3rd. Claypool, Pittman & Golden-Gandy should all be available. But I'm not gonna lie, I have some serious man love for Jeudy. I think this kid is gonna be a superstar. Would kill to see him in green and white. Just Imagine Sam to Jeudy for the next 15 years. That being said I would completely understand picking a franchise LT over him. I just hope Douglas understands that the WR position is just as big a need as the o line. Hopefully he addresses both early and often. I like the way you think, but if one of the top rated edge rushers slips we may have to consider taking one in with one of our first 4 picks. There is liable to be stud WR even dropping to the 4th round. I can't recall a year like this with this much Wideout talent. Btw I LOVE Claypool. Bryan Edwards should also be available... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I would pooper if we got Cooper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 14 hours ago, GREENBEAN said: And we can. Even with a T @ #11. Here is my hope for best case scenario. 1. We trade back with Denver and grab their 2nd, but probably 3rd rd pick. 2. We land Wirfs or Andrew Thomas, Becton or Josh Jones at #15. 3. If Justin Jefferson, Higgins or Reagor fall to 48 we take one. If not we take Cushenberry, Biadasz or DE Tyler lewis there. 4. If we take an o lineman in the 2nd, we grab Michael Pittman jr with our first 3rd and maybe Claypool or another WR. D-Peoples-Jones etc. with the second. 5. With the Denver 3rd we go CB like AJ Terell or Fulton or Edge depending on if we go Edge in the 2nd. If not Defense then another o lineman G like a Solomon Kindley, Bredeson or Throckmorton. and on and on. But the main point is that we can grab STUDS in the 2nd or 3rd at WR. Even Van Jefferson or Shenault are gonna be beasts imo. It's a good time to need what we need as far as offense. My only real fear is whether or not JD is gonna be a smart GM or will he be a cute GM who takes K'lavon Chaisson in the first or Isaiah Simmons or some "smartest man in the room" BS. Isiah Simmons would make this defense ELITE. This guy may be better than Chase Young. If he is available, they better RUN to the podium to take him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, JetBlue said: Isiah Simmons would make this defense ELITE. This guy may be better than Chase Young. If he is available, they better RUN to the podium to take him. Isn't Simmons a LB/S hybrid? Just because he played some EDGE doesn't mean he'd project to be an NFL EDGE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Look if Thomas or Becton fall to 11 I’m all for drafting them. Both those guys are studs That said Wills over Jeudy? No way I would take Wills over Juedy without thinking twice. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Isiah Simmons would make this defense ELITE. This guy may be better than Chase Young. If he is available, they better RUN to the podium to take him. I would puke if they did that. The only guy I want less than him is d brown Even if you like the player, aren’t you tired of out first rd picks going to defense when our supposed franchise qb is running for his life? Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 On 3/5/2020 at 8:09 PM, GREENBEAN said: I would take Wills over Juedy without thinking twice. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app You must like Right Tackles alot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 You must like Right Tackles alotHaha. I just love em Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 On 3/5/2020 at 3:31 PM, JetBlue said: Isiah Simmons would make this defense ELITE. This guy may be better than Chase Young. If he is available, they better RUN to the podium to take him. His skill set reminds me so much of Urlacher. I think he is the Giants guy. If he ever did fall to #11, JD's phone would be ringing off the hook. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 3/5/2020 at 3:48 PM, Jetsfan80 said: Isn't Simmons a LB/S hybrid? Just because he played some EDGE doesn't mean he'd project to be an NFL EDGE. You have to watch this guy play. He plays all over the field and is no slouch as an Edge Rusher. As some one else mentioned this dude play like Urlacher use to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 3/5/2020 at 8:10 PM, GREENBEAN said: I would puke if they did that. The only guy I want less than him is d brown Even if you like the player, aren’t you tired of out first rd picks going to defense when our supposed franchise qb is running for his life? Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app I hear you and I understand how you feel but ELITE talent is ELITE talent. Plus there is more than one way to skin a cat. It's like we forget there a lot more rounds to go. If we could pick up a solid OL help in FA and then take any combinations OL, WR, CB with our next 3-6 picks, you don't feel that would also make sense? Again, if Chase Young was sitting there at 11, you wouldn't take him because we need OL help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 11 hours ago, JetBlue said: I hear you and I understand how you feel but ELITE talent is ELITE talent. Plus there is more than one way to skin a cat. It's like we forget there a lot more rounds to go. If we could pick up a solid OL help in FA and then take any combinations OL, WR, CB with our next 3-6 picks, you don't feel that would also make sense? Again, if Chase Young was sitting there at 11, you wouldn't take him because we need OL help? Sure, I get it but let's not forget that the OT's sitting there are also Elite talent. And at a position of dire need. I would say that us needing OL help is a little bit off on the true gravity of our situation. I look at Isaiah Simmons as Darron Lee 2.0. And undersized LB with all the physical athleticism in the world. What is his gig? Where is he supposed to have his impact exactly? I don't want any more Hybrid smallish LB's getting pushed around out there. Chase Young is a different story, but yes I would pass on him in a heartbeat for any one of the top 4 OT's in this draft. It wouldn't even be a question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 8 hours ago, GREENBEAN said: Sure, I get it but let's not forget that the OT's sitting there are also Elite talent. And at a position of dire need. I would say that us needing OL help is a little bit off on the true gravity of our situation. I look at Isaiah Simmons as Darron Lee 2.0. And undersized LB with all the physical athleticism in the world. What is his gig? Where is he supposed to have his impact exactly? I don't want any more Hybrid smallish LB's getting pushed around out there. Chase Young is a different story, but yes I would pass on him in a heartbeat for any one of the top 4 OT's in this draft. It wouldn't even be a question. Simmons is Darron Lee with actual talent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Simmons is Darron Lee with actual talentThat may be but it’s a similar situation. I don’t see his talent as a need overriding what our actual needs are. If we took that guy over all the other amazing talent in the 1st it would be a sad day for the Jets. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Philc1 said: Simmons is Darron Lee with actual talent Isn’t that what they said about the original Darron Lee, too? Take a position that high up where it’s still a worthwhile pick if the player is just ok. That’s the problem taking ILB/S/C/TE there; those are cheap FA positions, and ones where you can pretty easily find just ok or better at least a round later. Yeah we hope any pick at #11 turns into an outstanding player at any position. But if he’s merely pretty good for several years, and not truly outstanding for any of them, then take a position where that’s still a good hindsight pick even if we didn’t nail it. Take LT for example: if we’re hoping for D’Brickashaw Ferguson II at #11, but he only turns into Jason Fabini II, it’s still very much mission accomplished. But if you swing up high for Ray Lewis II, and end up with Darron Lee II, then even as he’s getting better the team’s still shopping for $25MM/year in ILB upgrades before his rookie contract is even up. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 2:01 PM, Warfish said: Hes the worst. Saw a 60 Minutes episode recently where he went to Easter Island to look at the statues. Proudly asked an archaeologist if they could "Carbon Date" the statues....the STONE statues, to determine their age and when they were carved. My wife and I paused the show and laughed and laughed...... he was just so smug and didn't realize how stupid his question was. The archaeologist was more gracious to the twit. LOL 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Isn’t that what they said about the original Darron Lee, too? Take a position that high up where it’s still a worthwhile pick if the player is just ok. That’s the problem taking ILB/S/C/TE there; those are cheap FA positions, and ones where you can pretty easily find just ok or better at least a round later. Yeah we hope any pick at #11 turns into an outstanding player at any position. But if he’s merely pretty good for several years, and not truly outstanding for any of them, then take a position where that’s still a good hindsight pick even if we didn’t nail it. Take LT for example: if we’re hoping for D’Brickashaw Ferguson II at #11, but he only turns into Jason Fabini II, it’s still very much mission accomplished. But if you swing up high for Ray Lewis II, and end up with Darron Lee II, then even as he’s getting better the team’s still shopping for $25MM/year in ILB upgrades before his rookie contract is even up. Well said. This is exactly how I’m seeing it. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 10:24 AM, UnknownJetFan said: WR Anderson vs. Cooper (Who to go all in with for Jets?). That's my question, if Cooper is available. Cooper is a moire complete WR so would it be that rather than pay Robby we just let him walk and pay Cooper?. Note that Cooper(25 yrs old) is actually 1 year younger than Robby(26 yrs old). And, since it likely would be the Jets choice that the 1st round draft pick results in either an OT or perhaps one of the best non-Chase Young Edge rushers, we are probably looking at a WR in round 2 or 3 that while this is a deep class there may be a guy that at best for a while gets on the field as a number 4/5 WR for a while. Thoughts?. Anderson is mediocre. Cooper is over-rated. It's a tough choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFerg726 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Why do we think Cooper even wants to come here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 On 3/10/2020 at 10:13 AM, Sperm Edwards said: Isn’t that what they said about the original Darron Lee, too? Take a position that high up where it’s still a worthwhile pick if the player is just ok. That’s the problem taking ILB/S/C/TE there; those are cheap FA positions, and ones where you can pretty easily find just ok or better at least a round later. Yeah we hope any pick at #11 turns into an outstanding player at any position. But if he’s merely pretty good for several years, and not truly outstanding for any of them, then take a position where that’s still a good hindsight pick even if we didn’t nail it. Take LT for example: if we’re hoping for D’Brickashaw Ferguson II at #11, but he only turns into Jason Fabini II, it’s still very much mission accomplished. But if you swing up high for Ray Lewis II, and end up with Darron Lee II, then even as he’s getting better the team’s still shopping for $25MM/year in ILB upgrades before his rookie contract is even up. If it makes you feel better Tom Brady is Hackenberg with talent and steroids 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 3 hours ago, AFerg726 said: Why do we think Cooper even wants to come here? He doesn’t 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 On 3/10/2020 at 9:52 AM, GREENBEAN said: That may be but it’s a similar situation. I don’t see his talent as a need overriding what our actual needs are. If we took that guy over all the other amazing talent in the 1st it would be a sad day for the Jets. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app No I absolutely want either a Left Tackle or #1 WR at 11 I’m ok with drafting a OLB in round 2 like Baun however 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Philc1 said: If it makes you feel better Tom Brady is Hackenberg with talent and steroids It doesn’t. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 On 3/10/2020 at 10:13 AM, Sperm Edwards said: Isn’t that what they said about the original Darron Lee, too? Take a position that high up where it’s still a worthwhile pick if the player is just ok. That’s the problem taking ILB/S/C/TE there; those are cheap FA positions, and ones where you can pretty easily find just ok or better at least a round later. Yeah we hope any pick at #11 turns into an outstanding player at any position. But if he’s merely pretty good for several years, and not truly outstanding for any of them, then take a position where that’s still a good hindsight pick even if we didn’t nail it. Take LT for example: if we’re hoping for D’Brickashaw Ferguson II at #11, but he only turns into Jason Fabini II, it’s still very much mission accomplished. But if you swing up high for Ray Lewis II, and end up with Darron Lee II, then even as he’s getting better the team’s still shopping for $25MM/year in ILB upgrades before his rookie contract is even up. I get the need for top OL and I'm in agreement that we should one of the elite LT if they are available at 11 but if Isiah Simmons is available, it is not a slam dunk that you pass over him. Maybe you trade down a couple of slots to some team that wants him. To compare him to Derron Lee is, in my opinion rediculous. This guy is 5 times the player Lee was or is. He is real difference maker on defense and perhaps the second best defensive player in the draft after Young. It's too bad this team never accumulates multiple number 1 picks (see Dolphins, Bills etc) because we could take him and still get our OT. Truthfully it really academic because I don't see him dropping that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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