Joe the Breadman Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 2 hours ago, sec101row23 said: Pick 79 isn’t really that high of a pick. My whole point is that getting a higher quality prospect at the expense of a mid 3rd round pick isn’t a bad proposition. Let’s face it, the chances of drafting 4 starters with first 4 picks isn’t high. Drafts rarely work out that way. If the right receiver is still there at 34 or 35, I’m all for trading up to get him. I’ll always take higher quality over quantity. Tanny used to practice this philosophy....it got us Level 1 starters but absolutley 0 depth. I think that for his first draft caliing the shots, JoeD might very well sit back and let the draft come to him..... The only real scenario where i could see a trade back is if there was an early run on the OT's and someone is crazy about Jeudy/Lamb....trade back 5 spots or so and grab Josh Jones OT Houston. Then really flesh out the oline and receiver corps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said: When I think of Robby's season those are the ONLY two plays I think of. Nice catches, one was a blown coverage vs. Dallas. I like Robby at $8-9M....I don't like him north of $10M per year. Problem with that line of thinking, its not only the catches that were put onto a YouTube video, there have been other examples of what he can do with the talent to take advantage of what he brings to the table. Worse is shooing off a catch as a blown coverage when its clearly a play made because of his speed. Sometimes you get outplayed, that was a perfect example of how his speed can cause a mismatch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pajet Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 3 hours ago, sec101row23 said: The more I look at this draft, and the more you start to slot some of these receivers, the idea of trading up in the 2nd is making more and more sense to me. If we assume OT at 11, then I would be in favor of flipping pick 79 to move up for the right receiver. It makes a lot of sense. Agree with this....mentioned it in another thread. We should absolutly be considering moving up in rounds 2 or 3 if there is a player we like sitting on the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 [/url] Robbie runs fast .. Robbie doesn't fall down .. Robbie dies not win contested balls.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Dunnie said: Robbie runs fast .. Robbie doesn't fall down .. Robbie dies not win contested balls. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk And apparently you just don't get what a contested ball is. While actually believing that the kind of speed that causes separation is a meaningless talent for a WR. It would somehow be better to have a WR who doesn't get separation as often and has to fight for ball more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Only two plays for 10 plus million .. I'll pass thanksSent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pajet Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Augustiniak said: Which also puts into play trading back in round 1, if there are actually tiers of OTs and guys like Wirfs, Thomas and Becton are in one tier, and wills/jackson are in the next. I could see trading back in the 14-16 range, taking a tackle, then trading up in round 2. If they don’t trade up, i still don’t see them burning a 3rd rounder to move up in round 2. So i see them taking someone like Pittman in round 2, rather than trading up and burning capital to get someone like Mims. I think it depends on who is left and how JD has them rated. If there are comparable WR and you like both and they are still on the board....sure wait for them to drop to you. But if you have one graded higher than another, or there is only one left that you really like, I absolutely would trade up to get who I want in round 2. I dont follow the college or the draft as much as most on here but am following it much more closely here. In messing around with some of the mock simulators, it seems in some scenarios, all the WR I would want are gone before I pick (or the next tier is projected lower than my pick in which case a trade down would make sense). We are so talent starved that we need to get impact players on this team. If that means we have to flip a late round pick to move up in rounds 2 or 3 to accomplish that I'm doing it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dunnie said: Only two plays for 10 plus million .. I'll pass thanks Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk I'll go back and track every catch hes ever made. Because claiming the three examples to prove you saying hes never, ever done it proves youre right, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Problem with that line of thinking, its not only the catches that were put onto a YouTube video, there have been other examples of what he can do with the talent to take advantage of what he brings to the table. Worse is shooing off a catch as a blown coverage when its clearly a play made because of his speed. Sometimes you get outplayed, that was a perfect example of how his speed can cause a mismatch. Fair point. His speed is absolutely a weapon, but that play wasn't covered well deep by a Safety who wasn't positioned well IMO. My point is simply that we know what he brings to the table and it should be enough to get him paid as a very good WR2 in the NFL. For some people they seem to think he's a WR1...he's not. He just looks that way because he's the WR1 on the Jets and we're not used to having anything better recently. WR2s in the NFL are guys like Tyler Boyd in CIN, Calvin Ridley in ATL, Michael Gallup in DAL, Kenny Gollady in DET, Sammy Watkins in KC, Jarvis Landry in CLE, Tyrell Williams in OAK/LV, and even Stephon Diggs in MIN. I think Robby starts to hang around the discussion with some of those guys. He's in the mix somewhere. In fact, as @bla bla bla mentioned in a video about a month ago, Tyrell Williams is a good comp given he received a contract this past year for about $11M per season as an expected WR2 (to Antonio Brown...lolz!). I like Robby at $10M per year. I love him at $9M per year. I really don't like him in the $12-15M per year range some people have talked about, especially given that WRs seem like they will be flooding the League this April and the position could really be heading towards oversupply similar to where we've gotten with RBs. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, pajet said: I think it depends on who is left and how JD has them rated. If there are comparable WR and you like both and they are still on the board....sure wait for them to drop to you. But if you have one graded higher than another, or there is only one left that you really like, I absolutely would trade up to get who I want in round 2. I dont follow the college or the draft as much as most on here but am following it much more closely here. In messing around with some of the mock simulators, it seems in some scenarios, all the WR I would want are gone before I pick (or the next tier is projected lower than my pick in which case a trade down would make sense). We are so talent starved that we need to get impact players on this team. If that means we have to flip a late round pick to move up in rounds 2 or 3 to accomplish that I'm doing it. I agree. Also, looking back at the last few Eagles drafts, when Douglas was in their front office, they were very aggressive moving around the draft, both up and back constantly. In 2019, they traded up for Andre Dillard. 2018, they traded out of the first round when the Ravens moved up for Lamar Jackson. Then traded again in 2018 to move back up for Dallas Goedert. They have made several player for pick trades also. Gave up picks for Ronald Darby and Jay Ajayi. Acquired a pick for Eric Rowe. And they constanlty moved up and down the board in each of the last few drafts. This i not even mentioning the Carson Wentz or Sam Bradford trades. Howie Roseman may have been the ultimate decision maker, and we really have no way of knowing yet how Douglas will handle the draft when the buck stops with him. But it does not seem like a stretch to think he may aggressively move up and back as the draft unfolds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doggin94it Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 19 hours ago, RobR said: I agree that some players will eventually slide into the second round.....just don't think MIms is one of them. I think he'll be among the first 5 WR's picked and wouldn't be surprised if he's the third one off the board. You see him ahead of Ruggs?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 9 hours ago, jgb said: Agent leaks that Robbie is facing a hot market. Jets leak that Robbie is facing a cold market. Negotiations 101. And Woody’s brain leaks hot air 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, SR24 said: I feel sorry for whoever trades for Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said: Fair point. His speed is absolutely a weapon, but that play wasn't covered well deep by a Safety who wasn't positioned well IMO. My point is simply that we know what he brings to the table and it should be enough to get him paid as a very good WR2 in the NFL. For some people they seem to think he's a WR1...he's not. He just looks that way because he's the WR1 on the Jets and we're not used to having anything better recently. WR2s in the NFL are guys like Tyler Boyd in CIN, Calvin Ridley in ATL, Michael Gallup in DAL, Kenny Gollady in DET, Sammy Watkins in KC, Jarvis Landry in CLE, Tyrell Williams in OAK/LV, and even Stephon Diggs in MIN. I think Robby starts to hang around the discussion with some of those guys. He's in the mix somewhere. In fact, as @bla bla bla mentioned in a video about a month ago, Tyrell Williams is a good comp given he received a contract this past year for about $11M per season as an expected WR2 (to Antonio Brown...lolz!). I like Robby at $10M per year. I love him at $9M per year. I really don't like him in the $12-15M per year range some people have talked about, especially given that WRs seem like they will be flooding the League this April and the position could really be heading towards oversupply. Golladay and Diggs are WR1s (Diggs is a 1 even though Cousins prefers Thielen so his usage doesn't show it) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 11 hours ago, Maxman said: Can we just give Robby the contract that Macc gave to Quincy? And take it away from Quincy? Why bother? Neither guy was/is worth paying. Anderson's production is easy to replicate for much cheaper. Find another guy in the mid-rounds that runs straight lines really fast and coach him up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, SR24 said: The Browns have probably the least amount of liquidity in the league. A long-term guaranteed contract requires a large escrow. The Franchise Tag is just one year. This can be an issue for the Johnsons as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 32 minutes ago, Doggin94it said: Golladay and Diggs are WR1s (Diggs is a 1 even though Cousins prefers Thielen so his usage doesn't show it) Sure. And Robby is probably a WR2 (some teams thought of him as a WR3 at the trade deadline) even if he's listed as WR1 on the Jets depth chart. It's all about the needs of a team vs. how the market views him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Doggin94it said: You see him ahead of Ruggs?? I'm probably in the minority but yes I have Mims ahead of Ruggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, RobR said: I'm probably in the minority but yes I have Mims ahead of Ruggs. You are....but it's a bold call and I like it. Mims was off my radar until a month ago. I initially thought he was a candidate for one of our picks in Round 3. Many major media outlets and rankings sites till have him well outside the Top 5 or even 8. The idea that he could be the 3rd or even 4th WR off the board is still something I'm not onboard with quite yet, but I have to say that the Shenault injury coupled with Higgins seeming to slide a little bit probably puts Mims in the conversation for being taken a lot earlier than I thought. Mims is in my category of Justin Jefferson, Higgins and Aiyuk. Unfortunately, I think they could all be gone by #48. My two real unknowns at this point are Jalen Reagor and Laviska Shenault. I really have no idea where they may end up going now in such a loaded class. Lamb, Jeudy, Ruggs are still my top 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: You are....but it's a bold call and I like it. Mims was off my radar until a month ago. I initially thought he was a candidate for one of our picks in Round 3. Many major media outlets and rankings sites till have him well outside the Top 5 or even 8. The idea that he could be the 3rd or even 4th WR off the board is still something I'm not onboard with quite yet, but I have to say that the Shenault injury coupled with Higgins seeming to slide a little bit probably puts Mims in the conversation for being taken a lot earlier than I thought. Mims is in my category of Justin Jefferson, Higgins and Aiyuk. Unfortunately, I think they could all be gone by #48. My two real unknowns at this point are Jalen Reagor and Laviska Shenault. I really have no idea where they may end up going now in such a loaded class. Lamb, Jeudy, Ruggs are still my top 3. If you look at the combine numbers Mims and Ruggs tested similarly. Ruggs vert was insane at 42 but Mims was right behind with a 38.5. They both had the same broad jump and Mims had the fastest 3 cone of any receiver while Ruggs did not participate. Then you can throw in that Mims is 4" taller and 20lbs. heavier and I think they should be in the same discussion. And last but not least, Mims had WAY more production in college than Ruggs which is why I'm taking Mims. At times I thought Ruggs was Bamas fourth best WR on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 This is a WR rich draft, do not trade up for one. Pick 79 is still a good value pick. We do not just need an olineman and a WR. We need: 2 olineman 2 Wr 1 CB 1 edge at the very least. A good Wr will be there for our 2nd rounder as it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 14 hours ago, Maxman said: That is a good point. Either way I am not feeling sorry for the kid. He will end up with 20 million guaranteed on a bad contract. So his life will be good regardless. Three years after football this gangster will be broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Can't see Mims being available with our second rounder unless we trade up. He has great tape and had a monster combine. This mock has him going 62http://www.tankathon.com/nfl/mock_draftSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Sounds like a player we could chance landing with our first 3rd rounder Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 3 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: Why bother? Neither guy was/is worth paying. Anderson's production is easy to replicate for much cheaper. Find another guy in the mid-rounds that runs straight lines really fast and coach him up. Only 18 WRs in the league have as many chunk gains ( 20 yd+) catches in the last 4 yrs. So... 13 oither teams cant replicate him.... Not saying he's a world beater. But he makes every team in the NFL easily. And has played with dregs for Qbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 This mock has Mims going at 60http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102632/article/threeround-2020-nfl-mock-draft-20-pats-grab-qb-in-round-2Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, DetroitRed said: This mock has him going 62 http://www.tankathon.com/nfl/mock_draft Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Just now, DetroitRed said: This mock has Mims going at 60 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102632/article/threeround-2020-nfl-mock-draft-20-pats-grab-qb-in-round-2 Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app I'm not sure why you take these mock drafts seriously. They're meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, Losmeister said: Only 18 WRs in the league have as many chunk gains ( 20 yd+) catches in the last 4 yrs. So... 13 oither teams cant replicate him.... Not saying he's a world beater. But he makes every team in the NFL easily. And has played with dregs for Qbs. His efficiency numbers are horrible and always have been. That he's piling conventional stats through one specific route is more concerning than it is impressive for a large contract. Pair that with all the off-field problems over the years and the fact that his numbers are skewed because of a good run at the end of a contract year, this is honestly a real no-brainer. Anderson is not the type of player you pay a second contract to, which is exactly why the Jets will give it to him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 9 hours ago, bla bla bla said: We may get lucky, I could see teams passing on WR early to snag another position that is not as deep. I think we are the first team in the draft order that could opt for WR. The only teams I'm like 100% sure will take WRs round 1 are the Raiders and Eagles. I could see others but those seem like lead pipe locks. You never can say a team 100% will take a Wr in the first. The Las Vegas Raiders probably take Ken Murray Lb at 12. ( Jmo that’s the Raiders first pick) I expect them to trade back at 19 . ( could be the best Wr left , or another defensive player when they do pick). Mike Mayock philosophy is not to take a Wr in the first round. ( Gruden loves his offense- he has final say so can’t dismiss taking a wr ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 I'm not sure why you take these mock drafts seriously. They're meaningless. I say he is there at 48, easily. The mocks agree. If you think he will be gone, we will see who was correct Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, DetroitRed said: I say he is there at 48, easily. The mocks agree. If you think he will be gone, we will see who was correct Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app You're also posting a mock from before the combine, and IMO all of these mocks are useless. These guys can't get it right as the draft is unfolding, what makes you think they're valid or accurate in February? Since you are so sure he will be there by 48 would you care to place a wager? Loser pays $50 to the winners charity of choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 $100. And I’m the charity of my choice Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 9 hours ago, Greenseed4 said: WR rumor from Dom Mozzerella: Jets want speed at the WR position and like 99 percentile SPARQ athlete: Donovan Peoples-Jones. If you haven’t, check out his freakish vertical jump. Dude jumps so high it looks like he’s going to get hurt landing. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/donovan-peoples-jones?id=32195045-4f60-4060-aa06-be3909ebff80 Doesn’t hurt that he has huge hands and runs a 4.48. The only problem with People's-Jones is that he isn't good at being a WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: The only problem with People's-Jones is that he isn't good at being a WR. Hahaaa. I’m sure Shea Patterson at QB didn’t help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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