Is it ok to bring dogs into stores?

[freestater]

11 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

I would be proud if my Dogs bit each and everyone one of you. I don’t bring them to stores because that’s kinda dumb. I bring them to the park and walking in the watershed. I like when solicitors come to my door unwanted and my sweet babies want to tear them to shreds.  I talk extra slow to the solicitors as they slowly back up for fear of their life. F stores, please come to my door. It’s fun. I don’t even take my dogs to Petsmart and other stupid places you are allowed to. I keep them home rested  so they can threatened to bite people and bark at them ferociously. Sweet sweet babies. 

I love you. Have I told you lately?

[Thai Jet]

My 1st experience with this was on a trip to Portland, Oregon in 2018. #$@%ing dogs were in EVERY store. 99% of them were NOT service dogs. When I asked a clerk in Target WTF ? she explained that Portland was a dog friendly city. I've been to 44 of the lower 48 states and I've NEVER encounted that before. Certainly not here in NY. Wondering if it's a left coast thing.

[The Crimson King]

4 minutes ago, freestater said:

? I got yanked off pretty quick. My friends look out. Especially with this girl, she was the sweetest thing. Unless you were a squirrel or a kitty. 

now that is one beautiful animal !

someone should start a "post a picture of your dog thread" so I can live vicariously though it

[freestater]

Just now, The Crimson King said:

now that is one beautiful animal !

someone should start a "post a picture of your dog thread" so I can live vicariously though it

That's Jetsie. She was my baby. 

[Fantasy Island]

Unless you are blind, a service dog is BS.

[Spoot-Face]

This thread:

[Spoot-Face]

But if people aren't allowed to bring dogs into restaurants, how can @Pac ever bring his dates into Red Lobster?

[JiF]

8 hours ago, Nolder said:

I mean yeah a hardware store is...fine...I guess. Would you ever take them into a super market though?

No.  Like I said, taking them somewhere that serves food of any kind is unacceptable IMO, unless there is proper outdoor seating.  There is local brewery that allows dogs, beer is different.  Food?  I just think it's wrong. 

And fwiw, I've seen first hand how a service dog/emotional support animal can help a human.  I've literally watched someone go through a bout where they probably would have hurt themselves but the dog notices it and legit, knows how to apply the right amount of support to help them through episodes.  As a dog lover, it's actually quite impressive and damn near the cutest thing ever.  That said, I dont see how they help you get through buying groceries but what do I know? 

 

 

[JiF]

[JiF]

My big boy and my little girl.  They’re a handful but the best.  

[freestater]

12 minutes ago, JiF said:

My big boy and my little girl.  They’re a handful but the best.  

They're gorgeous, JiF.

[JiF]

38 minutes ago, freestater said:

They're gorgeous, JiF.

Thanks dude.  They're good looking pups for sure.   They're handful but so much fun too, the good thing is, the big boy is proper trained so the little one is kind of following suit.  With pops working from home they are getting extra attention and loving it.  I dont typically get to walk them every morning but all week, we've walked up to the local park and thrown the frisbee to start the day.  The big guy loves frisbee.  The little girl likes to chase him and get her ask kicked.  lol.  She's in that awkward skinny tall phase where watching her run is hilarious.  Its like these hug steps where she is running so hard.  lol  They're getting a mid day walk and every night we walk the beach.   The little girl is scared to death of everything right now, so we're trying to break her of that.  So funny how different they are.  Same parents and everything, totally different dogs.

They're going to be pissed when daddy has to go back to work and they're not getting the same attention.  

 

 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

No.  Like I said, taking them somewhere that serves food of any kind is unacceptable IMO, unless there is proper outdoor seating.  There is local brewery that allows dogs, beer is different.  Food?  I just think it's wrong. 

And fwiw, I've seen first hand how a service dog/emotional support animal can help a human.  I've literally watched someone go through a bout where they probably would have hurt themselves but the dog notices it and legit, knows how to apply the right amount of support to help them through episodes.  As a dog lover, it's actually quite impressive and damn near the cutest thing ever.  That said, I dont see how they help you get through buying groceries but what do I know? 

 

 

When I get sad my dogs growl at theIr  own reflections in the glass doors and posture to challenge themselves.  Bruno will actually bark at himself then retreat like his reflection is attacking.  It makes me happy. 

[freestater]

13 minutes ago, JiF said:

Thanks dude.  They're good looking pups for sure.   They're handful but so much fun too, the good thing is, the big boy is proper trained so the little one is kind of following suit.  With pops working from home they are getting extra attention and loving it.  I dont typically get to walk them every morning but all week, we've walked up to the local park and thrown the frisbee to start the day.  The big guy loves frisbee.  The little girl likes to chase him and get her ask kicked.  lol.  She's in that awkward skinny tall phase where watching her run is hilarious.  Its like these hug steps where she is running so hard.  lol  They're getting a mid day walk and every night we walk the beach.   The little girl is scared to death of everything right now, so we're trying to break her of that.  So funny how different they are.  Same parents and everything, totally different dogs.

They're going to be pissed when daddy has to go back to work and they're not getting the same attention.  

 

 

I have a pair that are similar (older big brother and little one) Niether one was my idea lol. The older one was going to go to the shelter so I took him instead. He nibbles a little while playing and I doubt he would have made it past screening. Had to take him in. Then I had a friend living with me and she got the little one. The two imprinted on each other so they cant be separated now. So now I have two dogs. Two terrors that wouldn't add up to half the weight of my ole girl, Jetsie. 

[JiF]

5 minutes ago, freestater said:

I have a pair that are similar (older big brother and little one) Niether one was my idea lol. The older one was going to go to the shelter so I took him instead. He nibbles a little while playing and I doubt he would have made it past screening. Had to take him in. Then I had a friend living with me and she got the little one. The two imprinted on each other so they cant be separated now. So now I have two dogs. Two terrors that wouldn't add up to half the weight of my ole girl, Jetsie. 

They are cute, I love the ears on the black one. 

[freestater]

8 minutes ago, JiF said:

They are cute, I love the ears on the black one. 

Thanks. That's Draco and the other guy is Sabre. Or...as they're known by their nicknames, Harvey (Weinstein) and Norman (Bates). 

[Nolder]

33 minutes ago, JiF said:

They're going to be pissed when daddy has to go back to work and they're not getting the same attention.  

When my mom leaves for work in the morning her dogs bark at her as loud and as mean as they can and try to get in front of her to block her way out. They are little yorkie terriers so that's not saying much but I think it is both ridiculous and funny.

[Nolder]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

Wait a second.... so your profile pic is a pic of your dog?

[ljr]

10 hours ago, Nolder said:

Thanks. I shouldn't have lost my cool like Tom said but I have no regrets in confronting the woman.

medium/short length sandy blonde hair, butterface with big chin, B or C sized t!ts, never even looked at her legs but she was in normal jeans and I got the impression there wasn't really anything to look at.

 

This wasn't some hot babe that could talk her way out of a speeding ticket with a little cleavage and a smile let me tell you that.

that f*cking annoying b*tch can go f*ck herself, and her dog too, then!!!!!

[JiF]

14 minutes ago, freestater said:

Thanks. That's Draco and the other guy is Sabre. Or...as they're known by their nicknames, Harvey (Weinstein) and Norman (Bates). 

Too funny, well not really; so my big guy....i just noticed he had some like marks on his head.  I go and check him out closer, he's got like 3 big gashes on his head and I'm like WTF.  Then I remember when we went to the park this morning, he ran face first into a chain link fence trying to chase birds.  I didnt think anything of it because he bounced back like nothing happened but he looks like he was mangled by another dog right now.  **** sakes, this dog is going to make go bankrupt; ate a golf ball, tore an ACL, numerous other little things, and now this...I just hope they heal and he grows hair back.  They're big gashes, no blood, more like strawberry type scars but still, he so handsome!!!

 

[freestater]

4 minutes ago, JiF said:

Too funny, well not really; so my big guy....i just noticed he had some like marks on his head.  I go and check him out closer, he's got like 3 big gashes on his head and I'm like WTF.  Then I remember when we went to the park this morning, he ran face first into a chain link fence trying to chase birds.  I didnt think anything of it because he bounced back like nothing happened but he looks like he was mangled by another dog right now.  **** sakes, this dog is going to make go bankrupt; ate a golf ball, tore an ACL, numerous other little things, and now this...I just hope they heal and he grows hair back.  They're big gashes, no blood, more like strawberry type scars but still, he so handsome!!!

 

Oh man. Scares ya when they do that dumb sh*t to themselves. I worry about the little one rushing up to a bigger dog and barking like a little savage. Hope he doesn't have scars from it. Ppl will think you got a dogfighting ring. 

[JiF]

1 minute ago, freestater said:

Oh man. Scares ya when they do that dumb sh*t to themselves. I worry about the little one rushing up to a bigger dog and barking like a little savage. Hope he doesn't have scars from it. Ppl will think you got a dogfighting ring. 

That's exactly what he's going to look like...3 huge gashes on his head like he was bitten.  I really hope they heal and the hair grows back.  ****!!!  I'm tripping on this...I mean, happy and healthy is all that matters but scars on his beautiful face?  ugh  He already had 2 smaller than dime size scars from ticks...these are twice/three times the size!!!

 

 

 

[freestater]

13 minutes ago, JiF said:

That's exactly what he's going to look like...3 huge gashes on his head like he was bitten.  I really hope they heal and the hair grows back.  ****!!!  I'm tripping on this...I mean, happy and healthy is all that matters but scars on his beautiful face?  ugh  He already had 2 smaller than dime size scars from ticks...these are twice/three times the size!!!

 

 

 

I was just being a dick. He's gonna be beautiful either way. Scars are character. 

[The Crusher]

This is Bruno and GoGo Juice 

 

[nycdan]

2 hours ago, JiF said:

I was literally raised with dobies and love them like no other breed.  My mom bred one so when I was very young, I was part of a litter of 10.  Then we had one or two forever.  My wife hates the cropped ears and most breeders won't let us have one without them, which is annoying so we're in a bit of a deadlock.  

Still...I've had two amazing dogs since we married (still have the puppy but she's older now).  This is an old pic of my two.

[Jetsfan80]

22 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Remind me to call you the next 11 times I’m in that pickle 

"Hurry up Officer.  She's going through my stuff."

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, The Crusher said:

When I get sad my dogs growl at theIr  own reflections in the glass doors and posture to challenge themselves.  Bruno will actually bark at himself then retreat like his reflection is attacking.  It makes me happy. 

It's interesting to me that very few members of the animal kingdom can recognize their own reflection (humans, certain kinds of apes/chimps, dolphins).  

That means that dogs never figure it out, and eventually, they just assume another dog is in the house forever but doesn't have a scent and never plays with them, so they just get bored and ignore the other dog living with them.  lol.  

[Jetsfan80]

11 hours ago, Fantasy Island said:

Unless you are blind, a service dog is BS.

And just as importantly, true service dogs are well-behaved.  I sat next to a blind man with a service dog on a plane once.  The dog barely made a peep or movement the whole flight.  They're amazing.  

[The Crusher]

18 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

It's interesting to me that very few members of the animal kingdom can recognize their own reflection (humans, certain kinds of apes/chimps, dolphins).  

That means that dogs never figure it out, and eventually, they just assume another dog is in the house forever but doesn't have a scent and never plays with them, so they just get bored and ignore the other dog living with them.  lol.  

I honestly have a special sham and that high end windex to keep the doors as shiny as possible because that shit is better than Netflix to me. Especially when that little lunatic   gets between me and his reflection to protect his Dad. 

[Nolder]

2 hours ago, JiF said:

He already had 2 smaller than dime size scars from ticks..

Ugh I hate ticks. My dads dog was covered in them once and we got them all removed but there was like still an infestation in the back yard and I would go back there sometimes when I was bored and sit on the concrete and the little sh*ts would start crawling out of the grass like invading barbarians or something. Idk I guess they smelt my blood? Anyway I would sit there for 20 or 30 mins just smashing them with a hammer as they came at me.

[nycdan]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

That means that dogs never figure it out, and eventually, they just assume another dog is in the house forever but doesn't have a scent and never plays with them, so they just get bored and ignore the other dog living with them.  lol.  

This sounds like some marriages I know.

[Jet_Engine1]

On 3/18/2020 at 1:09 AM, Nolder said:

I had an...incident the other day and I want to see what people think about this subject.

I'll tell my story, then explain the law as I understand it and then I'd like you guys to take the poll and/or give your thoughts about this. 

 

Ok so the other day I went to Target. Actually let me back up and explain that I have been seeing dogs in stores for a few years now. Dogs that are not obviously service animals. They look like pets. People have them on leashes and walk them around or put them in a shopping cart. I don't know if this is happening everywhere or if it's just a Los Angeles thing but it seems to be happening more and more lately. I think it's because a lot of people here live in apartments and they aren't supposed to have dogs but they have them anyway and they can't leave them home alone in case they bark so they take them into stores with them.

 

Anyway I'm getting off track so ok I went to Target and as I'm standing in line the woman ahead of me is checking out and she has this ugly dog on a leash but it's got a lot of slack and can go wherever it wants. So I'm watching it and it goes over to these bags of cheetos and starts licking the bags and the woman notices and like pulls the dog away. And so it wanders around to the other check out lane where a guy with ANOTHER dog is checking out. To be fair this dog at least was well behaved and just sitting there on a tight leash. For whatever that's worth. So the dog starts sniffing the other dog and I'm thinking these two dogs could start fighting or humping right here in the store and no one besides me seems to care. My last straw was when the lady working the register in my line asked the girl with the dog what kind of dog it was and told her how cute it was. If everyone else was going to ignore the dogs I guess I could too but when I saw this lady take direct notice of the dog I couldn't take it anymore.

 

So I walk forward a little bit and very calmly say "Excuse me, I wasn't going to say anything but I feel like I have to. Do you think it's ok to just bring your dog into the store like this?" I wont litigate the conversation word for word (mainly because it led to me cussing up a storm) but I'll give you the gist of what happened. So the girl says no it's fine and I'm like how do you think this is ok? And she starts giving the excuse these types of people always do saying it's a service dog and do I want to talk to her doctor. I flat out told her no, I don't care about her doctor, I don't believe it's a service dog. So I turned and asked the Target employee what she thought and asked her if she wasn't supposed to do something about dogs being in the store. She gave me this blank stare and then said she wasn't going to do anything and that she thought it was fine. I want to emphasize that at this point I was not yelling or cussing. 

 

For whatever reason the guy with the behaved dog decided to get involved and said something that really ticked me off. I don't know if he felt mutually attacked because he also had a dog in the store or if he was trying to white knight for M'lady but regardless he jumped in and gave basically the same spiel. Wanna talk to my doctor blah blah blah. At this point I'm dropping f bombs and yelling at these morons and a Target employee is asking me to leave (I was with a friend who was checking out the stuff) so I'm like fine ok whatever I'm leaving. As I'm walking out the guy with the behaved dog says something like "yeah you better walk away" and I go from just mad to raging volcano status telling the guy to come over and try something if he's so tough. Of course he didn't. Meanwhile the Target employee is reaching out to like grab my arm and telling me to leave and they're lucky they didn't because I would have knocked their ass to the floor if they had touched me I was so mad at the time. I say this because anyone who knows me IRL would know I'm USUALLY the most passive easy going guy you'll meet (my friends in the mafia forum may disagree but they only know how I act online). I'm not trying to be an internet tough guy here, this was an unusual situation for me.

 

SO, I leave the store and I'm standing outside waiting for my friend just cooling down and the lady with the dog who was licking the cheetos drives up and starts bugging me from her car. She said something like don't you know anything about PTSD and I was in the military were you and her doctor blah blah blah. I was ignoring her because I had said my piece and didn't want to get into it further but she just kept yelling at me from her car so I finally turn around to confront the dummy and as soon as I do she speeds off like I'm going to attack her or whatever. JFC! Over stupid dogs in a stupid store!

 

OK so I went home and looked up what I believe is the actual letter of the law as it stands now. There are THREE types of "service dogs". There is a service dog that helps blind people basically. There is a service dog that helps disabled people (like fetching their mail and stuff like that). And there are so called Emotional Support Animals which are supposed to idk make you feel better if you're sad or have PTSD. These dogs MUST be licensed but they do NOT have to wear an identifying vest. They are allowed into basically any public space including grocery markets and restaurants. By law you cannot harass or interfere with the dogs or impede their ability to perform their tasks. You (actually not YOU but employees of a business) may ASK two questions. "Is it a Service Animal?" and "What services does it provide?". By law you (again employees, YOU cannot ask these people anything otherwise you're technically harassing them) may NOT ask them to show the dogs license/credential as a service animal nor can you ask them to make their dog perform a task as an example to prove it is a service animal. You may also not ask the person what their medical disability is. So basically if you have any doubts that an animal is actually a service animal and you want to verify you can just **** right off because the law is not on your side and there is no way to verify without stepping on these peoples supposed rights.

 

Last thing I want to say is MY position. First of all I am perfectly fine with dogs helping the blind or physically crippled. Those types of dogs are usually very well trained and behaved and to be honest they aren't ugly mutt dogs like what I have been seeing in stores lately they are usually Golden Retrievers or similar. If someone legitimately has PTSD or they are idk mentally ill or whatever I am fine with them having a so called "Emotional Support Dog" but I am not ok with them bringing it in a store. You don't need emotional support for the 10-20 minutes you're in a store and if you do you are so bad you probably shouldn't be in public at all. Meanwhile there are, I believe, a LOT of people abusing this Emotional Support Dog thing to bring their pets into stores just because they feel like it. I'm not even sure if these people are even bothering getting them licensed. They might I guess, I don't know. If they don't though it's not like it matters since legally no one can verify it anyway. On top of it most of the dogs I see being brought into stores are, like I said, ugly mutt dogs that people are getting from shelters. Maybe that doesn't matter to a lot of you but it matters to me. They LOOK dirty and mangy. It's not like a pure bred Dachshund or Labrador or whatever it's these little sh*ts like this. What is going is not ok in my opinion. These people are bringing their pets into a public space and it's very rude, to put it mildly.

 

So please, tell me what you all think about this topic and if you've had any similar experiences to mine.

Vote in the poll and let's see where everyone is at.

Maybe I'm in the minority here I don't know.

In am your spirit animal. LOL.

 

People who need to bring their dog everywhere are emotionally weak, entitled, attention whore a$$holes. Stop it.

And let me tell you something about service related "PTSD". Contrary to what Hollywood tells you, Infantrymen are NOT all the broken, unstable a holes that are crying about their PTSD. It's the fobbits and REMFs who joined the service to go to Dental Hygiene School with their GI Bill, or who have a feeling of emptiness that their service had no value, that they did nothing while other guys were "outside the wire". They WANT attention. They WANT to tell you about their "service", and the PTSD they have dealt with ever since the DEFAC soft serve machine in Bahrain ran out of Vanilla that time..... seriously. Grunts miss their buddies, but this notion that guys are freaking out about Fireworks or whatever is garbage. Its attention seeking behavior. Nothing else. 

 

So yeah, I'm right with you. If I walk into a restaurant or bar and see some flip flop wearing tool with his dog at the bar or table inside, I walk out and go elsewhere.  I like dogs. I've had a few. But we didn't feel the need to drag it around everywhere like a nuisance. Because we aren't insane people.  

 

 

[Jet_Engine1]

On 3/18/2020 at 10:25 AM, Nolder said:

Someone described that idea to me as "segregation" and then accused me of being ableist when I suggested it to them.

You live in SoCal. Common sense fled that region decades ago.

[The Crusher]

9 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

In am your spirit animal. LOL.

 

People who need to bring their dog everywhere are emotionally weak, entitled, attention whore a$$holes. Nobody gives a **** about your dog  bro. It isnt your "fur baby", and you aren't a "Dog Mom". Stop it.

And let me tell you something about service related "PTSD". Contrary to what Hollywood tells you, Infantrymen are NOT all the broken, unstable a holes that are crying about their PTSD. It's the fobbits and REMFs who joined the service to go to Dental Hygiene School with their GI Bill, or who have a feeling of emptiness that their service had no value, that they did nothing while other guys were "outside the wire". They WANT attention. They WANT to tell you about their "service", and the PTSD they have dealt with ever since the DEFAC soft serve machine in Bahrain ran out of Vanilla that time..... seriously. Grunts miss their buddies, but this notion that guys are freaking out about Fireworks or whatever is garbage. Its attention seeking behavior. Nothing else. 

 

So yeah, I'm right with you. If I walk into a restaurant or bar and see some flip flop wearing tool with his dog at the bar or table inside, I walk out and go elsewhere.  I like dogs. I've had a few. But we didn't feel the need to drag it around everywhere like a nuisance. Because we aren't insane people.  

 

 

Agreed. I leave mine home to terrorize anybody who comes near my house. Got no time for field trips up in this bitch! 

[JustEndTheSuffering]

Let’s go Rangers! My dog loves watching sports with me.