kdels62 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, AVM said: Scum likely split on both sides...I don't think I'm following your point here? I thought you were advocating to hide the Kingmaker and not have them reveal - so what does that have to do with a "normal" game benefiting scum? We're not debating how we're going to play this - normal or with the King doing whatever they want - we're debating whether or not roles should claim. Maybe I'm just really dumb - which is probably the problem here. As to your point, though, yes - there is no cop, so a "standard" game is more difficult for town than scum. But with the Kingmaker in the game there is the potential that scum get the power to decide the lynch leading to the potential for bussing, for killing off town PR's, etc. So there are benefits to scum both ways and the best equalizer is for the town to have more information. I’m down to either reveal the kingmaker and have an agreed upon murder of the kingmaker (Eliminating the possibility of the death of our Dr. but the negative is a further closing the gap in scum/town ratio) or keep the kingmaker hidden so that the scum might accidentally kill them instead of keeping them alive. This helps twice because we’ll have Leelou/ CTM/80 as the only possible Kings. Either of those is fine. The worst case is a revealed kingmaker being kept alive to make bad choices or to be a target of a NK taking away our CTM/Leelou/80 advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, Drums said: How do you feel about kdels? I don't know. I wasn't able to catch up or read anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Leelou said: Yeah I don’t want to be king again, that was agony on D1 lol. The alternative is letting CTM just run roughshod all over everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, kdels62 said: I’m down to either reveal the kingmaker and have an agreed upon murder of the kingmaker (Eliminating the possibility of the death of our Dr. but the negative is a further closing the gap in scum/town ratio) or keep the kingmaker hidden so that the scum might accidentally kill them instead of keeping them alive. This helps twice because we’ll have Leelou/ CTM/80 as the only possible Kings. Either of those is fine. The worst case is a revealed kingmaker being kept alive to make bad choices or to be a target of a NK taking away our CTM/Leelou/up advantage. I think you're over simplifying scum's job here, since it would be a gamble game of them vs CTM on who was protected... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Nynaeve said: I don't know. I wasn't able to catch up or read anything. Okay, I mainly ask because I haven't seen you interact with him much (a little bit early on) and you weren't around for the AVM chaos, and now not really either. So trying to figure out if you are distancing. Do you plan to read up at some point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, CTM said: I think Nyn is kingmaker, based on her reaction and If i was scum, I wouldn't kill Kingmaker until I had to. Anti town role. Imagine in 2 days it's 5 town vs 4 scum and King decides to crown scum? Scum wins I'm an assassin. pay attention 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Drums said: Okay, I mainly ask because I haven't seen you interact with him much (a little bit early on) and you weren't around for the AVM chaos, and now not really either. So trying to figure out if you are distancing. Do you plan to read up at some point? Yes I am totally distancing. You're right on the money there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Nynaeve said: I'm an assassin. pay attention You're the best hahaha ❤️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 Vote Count Greece (4) - 80, AVM, CTM, GATA AVM (2) - Crusher, Nolder Kdels (1) - Leelou GATA (1) - Kdels Nyn (1) - Nyn With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, AVM said: I think you're over simplifying scum's job here, since it would be a gamble game of them vs CTM on who was protected... CTM should only protect himself. Unless he’s really bad at picking scum he could have up to 4? free shots. We pick scum now and this game could be heavily in towns favor quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I don't have time to catch up so no. Plus scum don't really need to read the thread. They just pretend they have. just one sec... There, all caught up. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, kdels62 said: CTM should only protect himself. Unless he’s really bad at picking scum he could have up to 4? free shots. We pick scum now and this game could be heavily in towns favor quickly. This is pretty icky btw 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 It would be hard for me not to hammer Greece if it gets to that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, kdels62 said: CTM should only protect himself. Unless he’s really bad at picking scum he could have up to 4? free shots. We pick scum now and this game could be heavily in towns favor quickly. How about stop telling people how to play their roles? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, kdels62 said: CTM should only protect himself. Unless he’s really bad at picking scum he could have up to 4? free shots. We pick scum now and this game could be heavily in towns favor quickly. You're talking about scum having a free pick of a specific person every night and them having the big advantage. Yes, the smartest play early and sometimes throughout in the game is for the doc to self-protect...but the option (and fear of that option) to do otherwise is often a deterrent of scum doing exactly what you're saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Nynaeve said: This is pretty icky btw If this was a normal game type then yes. But you have a damn near invincible player that can be a town king. He can turn the game quickly in favor of town. I also think Leelou can do the role sometimes but she doesn’t want to be king (the sign of a true king). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, Leelou said: How about stop telling people how to play their roles? I've really started to wonder if I'm talking out my ass. I mean, I normally am so it wouldn't be a surprise but I feel so lost and confused by this conversation lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, kdels62 said: If this was a normal game type then yes. But you have a damn near invincible player that can be a town king. He can turn the game quickly in favor of town. I also think Leelou can do the role sometimes but she doesn’t want to be king (the sign of a true king). I thought I needed to be lynched because I was a previous king??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, AVM said: I've really started to wonder if I'm talking out my ass. I mean, I normally am so it wouldn't be a surprise but I feel so lost and confused by this conversation lol He’s most likely scum. People are all voting a weird inactive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GATA Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, Leelou said: He’s most likely scum. People are all voting a weird inactive. Greece has been tagged a ton and has yet to show up. If he's scum this is safe hiding I'll go back to Kdels but the greek is not contributing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, GATA said: Greece has been tagged a ton and has yet to show up. If he's scum this is safe hiding I'll go back to Kdels but the greek is not contributing I get that, but we have the ability to vote today. Make the king tomorrow take care of the inactive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Leelou said: How about stop telling people how to play their roles? He could do what he wants. But I want town to win and this is a pretty good path considering we’re in a bad spot. 2 minutes ago, AVM said: You're talking about scum having a free pick of a specific person every night and them having the big advantage. Yes, the smartest play early and sometimes throughout in the game is for the doc to self-protect...but the option (and fear of that option) to do otherwise is often a deterrent of scum doing exactly what you're saying. Which is why we keep the kingmaker hidden in that scenario. Force them to make choices. Killing VT serves little purpose when protecting against a king they can’t kill. Alternatively, CTM/80/ Leelou king could just kill all towns folk but that’d be unlucky at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GATA Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Leelou said: I get that, but we have the ability to vote today. Make the king tomorrow take care of the inactive. @Jetsfan80 @CTM what say you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Leelou said: He’s most likely scum. People are all voting a weird inactive. I want to hear from greece but I expect we end up lynching kdels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Leelou said: He’s most likely scum. People are all voting a weird inactive. I have a bias towards killing inactives, I think they basically ruin the game and are a huge advantage for scum when town That's being said. I'm cool with kdels as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Leelou said: I thought I needed to be lynched because I was a previous king??? If we had done that from the very beginning but we’re playing differently. You’re a confirmed townie. You’re someone that can be trusted to make a choice that can be bad but in the interest of the town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AVM Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Leelou said: I get that, but we have the ability to vote today. Make the king tomorrow take care of the inactive. I would like to hear from greece, then lynch kdels (unless he gives us something more to work on). Just don't want him to slid by another day, but I'm with you after the last couple of exchanges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, AVM said: I would like to hear from greece, then lynch kdels (unless he gives us something more to work on). Just don't want him to slid by another day, but I'm with you after the last couple of exchanges As long as kingmaker stays hidden (Or revealed and killed) I don’t mind dying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, kdels62 said: If we had done that from the very beginning but we’re playing differently. You’re a confirmed townie. You’re someone that can be trusted to make a choice that can be bad but in the interest of the town. I’m dead and my role has been revealed? Sweet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, kdels62 said: As long as kingmaker stays hidden (Or revealed and killed) I don’t mind dying. what.. that makes no sense. If KM reveals we 100% do not want to kill them because we know they aren't scum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, Leelou said: I’m dead and my role has been revealed? Sweet! No you’d have been dead long before the reveal and we’d know what AVM was. And there would be less bad information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GATA Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, kdels62 said: As long as kingmaker stays hidden (Or revealed and killed) I don’t mind dying. kdels... I'm sorry to tell you but Nyn pretty much revealed. Idk if you're skimming or whatever I know you're still pretty new to this but everything you post it's like you're not thoroughly reading it's usually a scum tell. Also other posts you've made ping ... Townies don't direct PRs, scum usually does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, CTM said: I have a bias towards killing inactives, I think they basically ruin the game and are a huge advantage for scum when town That's being said. I'm cool with kdels as well Why? I feel like a potential scummate I should be protective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, CTM said: what.. that makes no sense. If KM reveals we 100% do not want to kill them because we know they aren't scum If KM revealed then it serves scum to keep him alive. Unless he agrees to only pick you as King. A revealed kingmaker kept alive can pick scum king and that is bad. Especially with the numbers dwindling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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