Source~ What JD’s Doing

[rangerous]

53 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

Just to be clear, Thuney wasn't available. The Pats re-signed him. As I'd rather have McGovern over Glasgow, the only player we are really discussing is Conklin. 

yes but that doesn't mean they didn't pursue him or that they wouldn't have signed both conklin and thuney if given the opportunity.

[Philc1]

10 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Idzik > Maccagnan

Not saying much but yes

 

Mac’s only respectable year here was because he inherited a crap load of cap room from Idzik

[Scott Dierking]

14 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

IMO, it’s a rock and a hard place. I don’t think he can get a big return for Adams because the one team foolish enough to trade a first rounder for him is about to burn their cap space on Dak Prescott, and other teams with functioning GMs aren’t going to want to pay a strong safety $16+ either, especially giving up picks for the right to do so. Presuming Adams’ agent pushes the issue, Douglas has these options:

1. Cave and overpay Adams, who has minimal to zero leverage.

2. Tell Adams to pound sand and dare him to hold out.

3. Trade Adams to some other team looking to move a big player (Cleveland/OBJ-ish)

4. Trade Adams and get back a package of lesser picks. A two and four in 2020, plus a third in 2021. Something to that effect.

Adams will not hold out because all he will do will harm himself. He will cost himself in terms of salary (fines for missed camp) and if he decides to take into the season, possible comp time which could delay his free agency.

is anyone going to worry about a safety missing training camp time? No. You can basically plug and play that position.

Here were the 2019 players that held out:

-Ezekiel Elliot, RB

-Michael Thomas, WR

-Melvin Gordon, RB

-Yannick Ngakoue, DE, Pass rush specialist

-Trent William, OT

With the possible exception of Ngakoue, those are specialized positions that require camp time and synchronization and coordination of the framework of unit and team. 

Safety, not so much. He really has little leverage, other than disruption of the team.

[kdels62]

27 minutes ago, Jetster said:

And the knock on Conklin was he is not a great pass blocker & has had injuries. 20 million? GTFOOH! And that the approach JD took. He put a value on him & stuck with it.  

He only got $14 Million a year. Which is reasonable. However, that’s not the focus here. The big issue is this idea that you can’t build a good team in a year. You can, with a good draft and a good free agency. Not one, not either but both. The Eagles were build like that, last years Bills were build like that. Spend the money but spend it right. The Bills went from tank 2 years ago to contenders last year to AFC East favorites this year. They did it by spending to fill out an average core of players.

There were players that were available that were had for reasonable contracts that were clear upgrades. Glasgow+ McGovern would’ve turn our interior OL in a strength. Add in cutting Winters and you basically get one of those guys for $2 million this year. Darqueze Dennard, a good CB2 was signed for 3 years, $13 million, a clear upgrade especially since cutting Darryl Roberts would’ve made Dennard an upgrade That saves us money. We cut Trumaine and saved $11 Million this year, that’s almost 2/3’s the cost of Byron Jones who is actually good. Heck if you cut Roberts too then you’ve basically paid for the contact of one of the top CBs in the league.

It can happen in one offseason. Right now we’re sitting on cap space and bad contracts with the only players worth anything of value coming up being our 2 safeties. We lack talent at the OL, Edge, CB, WR positions and you can’t fix that in 1 draft.

[FidelioJet]

24 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

Matt Millen

Mac was definitively worse.

WR vs. DT’s....

And at least he hit on one in a very big way.

[Philc1]

JD absolutely could have gotten Conklin and paid $15 mil per and no one would think anything of it

[Philc1]

Just now, FidelioJet said:

Mac was definitively worse.

WR vs. DT’s....

And at least he hit on one in a very big way.

Yeah after Millen whiffed on like 4 1st round WRs

 

I think both were horrible but it would irritate me if I was a lions fan that Millen still gets announcer jobs 

 

[Jet Nut]

13 hours ago, Beerfish said:

This guy has to totally nail the draft that is the whole issue.

We need a Jets 2006 draft or New Orleans 2017 draft.

Fans say this about every GM on every team, every year.

 

[Philc1]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

Fans say this about every GM on every team, every year.

 

It’s a pretty loaded draft at positions of need for the jets 

 

If JD doesn’t nail the OT and WR positions first 3 rounds with 4 picks he’s as bad as Mac or Idzik

[T0mShane]

10 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Adams will not hold out because all he will do will harm himself. He will cost himself in terms of salary (fines for missed camp) and if he decides to take into the season, possible comp time which could delay his free agency.

is anyone going to worry about a safety missing training camp time? No. You can basically plug and play that position.

Here were the 2019 players that held out:

-Ezekiel Elliot, RB

-Michael Thomas, WR

-Melvin Gordon, RB

-Yannick Ngakoue, DE, Pass rush specialist

-Trent William, OT

With the possible exception of Ngakoue, those are specialized positions that require camp time and synchronization and coordination of the framework of unit and team. 

Safety, not so much. He really has little leverage, other than disruption of the team.

Good points. I’d only disagree with the idea that disrupting the team would be a deterrent to Jamal Adams. He threw a very loud, self-serving week-long fit when the team was 1-7.

[Jet Nut]

10 hours ago, Paradis said:

There's a place in between, where one isn't sh*tting on him, but also not patting him on the back... nor should we yet. Smart signings? He made signings. 

Isn't this exactly what he did?  

Signing a player who hasn't had a chance isn't always just a backup being signed and worthless.  Its like saying Mawae was just a backup 

[peekskill68]

3 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Adams will not hold out because all he will do will harm himself. He will cost himself in terms of salary (fines for missed camp) and if he decides to take into the season, possible comp time which could delay his free agency.

is anyone going to worry about a safety missing training camp time? No. You can basically plug and play that position.

Here were the 2019 players that held out:

-Ezekiel Elliot, RB

-Michael Thomas, WR

-Melvin Gordon, RB

-Yannick Ngakoue, DE, Pass rush specialist

-Trent William, OT

With the possible exception of Ngakoue, those are specialized positions that require camp time and synchronization and coordination of the framework of unit and team. 

Safety, not so much. He really has little leverage, other than disruption of the team.

Our last two All Pro players, Mevis and Adams are both playing from the same script.  In a team devoid of talent which has shown zero skill in recruiting, drafting and developing players, they feel they do have some leverage.  Other teams don't get held hostage like the Jets because they've shown to the fans they can keep hitting on talent to avoid their wrath when they play hard ball...

[Scott Dierking]

BTW, as I am sports starved, and hating watching news networks, last night I decided to dip my toe into ESPN and catch a few minutes of their coverage on NFL free agency as they look to milk any sports news. 

The moment that I turned in, there was Mike Tannenbaum being asked for his opinion of the AFC East and how it can shake out for the future. His team that he thinks can rise to the top?The New York Jets. Primarily because of Sam Darnold.

He basically eviscerated Allen because of his track record of downfield passing completion at both Wyoming and in the NFL. Less than 20% on passes of greater than 20 yards. He speculated that NFL defenses will quickly learn how to defend that easily.

So there is that. I then quickly changed the channel and watched replay of the 1979 Cubs Phillies 23-22 game.

[Jet Nut]

3 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

it happens in FA all the time, no biggie, but let’s call it what it was.  

It was the signing of a player you had no idea who he was, never have watched play a down of football and who you are carrying on about as if you did or even if you watched were remotely qualified to judge.  Which is why youre quoting ad nauseam pointless numbers given his situation as a recovering backup.

[Scott Dierking]

2 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

Our last two All Pro players, Mevis and Adams are both playing from the same script.  In a team devoid of talent which has shown zero skill in recruiting, drafting and developing players, they feel they do have some leverage.  Other teams don't get held hostage like the Jets because they've shown to the fans they can keep hitting on talent to avoid their wrath when they play hard ball...

This is not even an issue this offseason. 

If Douglas decides that he likes Adams, and wants to extend him at what he considers a fair price, fine. But it will not be done because of fear of hold out. That is not a leverage point for him at this time.

[FidelioJet]

5 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

It was the signing of a player you had no idea who he was, never have watched play a down of football and who you are carrying on about as if you did or even if you watched were remotely qualified to judge.  Which is why youre quoting ad nauseam pointless numbers given his situation as a recovering backup.

It was a panic signing - I don’t even hold it against JD.  It’s part of the process.

If you want to continue to wear your blinders I honestly say good for you.  I’ll play along -

Great signing, He’s worth every penny.  Seattle just didn’t know how to use him and Russell Wilson ran around too much causing his production to look worse than it was.  His athleticism is perfect for Gase’s system and now that he’s in his 5th year he’s likely to go from a bottom of the barrel RT to a differencing making LT.  GM of the Year. 

[section314]

7 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

BTW, as I am sports starved, and hating watching news networks, last night I decided to dip my toe into ESPN and catch a few minutes of their coverage on NFL free agency as they look to milk any sports news. 

The moment that I turned in, there was Mike Tannenbaum being asked for his opinion of the AFC East and how it can shake out for the future. His team that he thinks can rise to the top?The New York Jets. Primarily because of Sam Darnold.

He basically eviscerated Allen because of his track record of downfield passing completion at both Wyoming and in the NFL. Less than 20% on passes of greater than 20 yards. He speculated that NFL defenses will quickly learn how to defend that easily.

So there is that. I then quickly changed the channel and watched replay of the 1979 Cubs Phillies 23-22 game.

Saw that....thinks Sam has a huge ceiling. Loves the moves the Bills have made, but that Allen will hold them back.  Thought it was funny that Wendy Nix was teasing him that now that Brady is finally gone, he is sitting on the desk with them.

[slats]

21 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

JD absolutely could have gotten Conklin and paid $15 mil per and no one would think anything of it

Probably, but JD could also be very happy to have Conklin on Cleveland, maybe moving them away from OT at #10. If the rumor that JD and the Browns have been negotiating a trade for OBJ has any validity at all, that would mean that JD already knows that Cleveland could easily be in the market for a WR in the first round now. Paying your right tackle $15M is a lot. He's got Fant to swing for $10M, and may also be in a better position to draft a LT should Cleveland pass. 

[slats]

8 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

It was a panic signing - I don’t even hold it against JD.  It’s part of the process.

If you want to continue to wear your blinders I honestly say good for you.  I’ll play along -

Great signing, He’s worth every penny.  Seattle just didn’t know how to use him and Russell Wilson ran around too much causing his production to look worse than it was.  His athleticism is perfect for Gase’s system and now that he’s in his 5th year he’s likely to go from a bottom of the barrel RT to a differencing making LT.  GM of the Year. 

A lot of complaining for what amounts to 1 year, $9.3M if he busts here. If he doesn't, he's a value. 

Jets have shored up the OL nicely heading into the draft, and I don't know if they're even done yet. Add an OT and G/C in the first three rounds, and I'd expect them to be in pretty good shape. And I expect them to do exactly that. 

[jgb]

[jgb]

47 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

IMO, it’s a rock and a hard place. I don’t think he can get a big return for Adams because the one team foolish enough to trade a first rounder for him is about to burn their cap space on Dak Prescott, and other teams with functioning GMs aren’t going to want to pay a strong safety $16+ either, especially giving up picks for the right to do so. Presuming Adams’ agent pushes the issue, Douglas has these options:

1. Cave and overpay Adams, who has minimal to zero leverage.

2. Tell Adams to pound sand and dare him to hold out.

3. Trade Adams to some other team looking to move a big player (Cleveland/OBJ-ish)

4. Trade Adams and get back a package of lesser picks. A two and four in 2020, plus a third in 2021. Something to that effect.

Option 5: Give him the ol' Pete Kendall--an informal assurance he will be "taken care of next year" and then flat out refuse to extend next off season.

[nycdan]

11 minutes ago, slats said:

A lot of complaining for what amounts to 1 year, $9.3M if he busts here. If he doesn't, he's a value. 

Jets have shored up the OL nicely heading into the draft, and I don't know if they're even done yet. Add an OT and G/C in the first three rounds, and I'd expect them to be in pretty good shape. And I expect them to do exactly that. 

I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say 'shored up nicely'.  Of the three moves, Lewis was simply brought back and he's pretty much at best average, Fant is somewhat of a question mark, leaving McGovern as the only clear upgrade.  So while it's far better than it was 48 hours ago, it's far from okay.With Beachum unsigned, we are still worse than last season, which is scary.  

I would characterize what JD has done is put us in position where two more signings, draft or FA, can make this line 'okay'.  If we didn't land McGovern, than all the draft picks in the world couldn't have done that.  But I think one way to look at this is, if our choice was between a) Conklin, b) Glasgow or c) Fant and McGovern, did we do the right thing adding two players instead of one better player? 

In our situation, maybe.

[Augustiniak]

5 minutes ago, slats said:

A lot of complaining for what amounts to 1 year, $9.3M if he busts here. If he doesn't, he's a value. 

Jets have shored up the OL nicely heading into the draft, and I don't know if they're even done yet. Add an OT and G/C in the first three rounds, and I'd expect them to be in pretty good shape. And I expect them to do exactly that. 

I also think they’re going to pursue trading back in the first round.  With the athletic profile they’re going after in OL, why draft Becton when you can draft josh jones and get an extra 3rd rounder?  Just feel as if that’s where douglas will see the value.

[BettyBoop]

14 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Certainly fair and reasonable, but it just puts more pressure on the scouting/draft this year.

Good

[FidelioJet]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

A lot of complaining for what amounts to 1 year, $9.3M if he busts here. If he doesn't, he's a value. 

Jets have shored up the OL nicely heading into the draft, and I don't know if they're even done yet. Add an OT and G/C in the first three rounds, and I'd expect them to be in pretty good shape. And I expect them to do exactly that. 

I’m honestly not complaining - just don’t think what JD has done is worth celebrating yet. I have continued to say I don’t blame him and don’t think he’s doing a bad job - just don’t think he’s done a particularly good job yet either.  

Let’s see it play out before we crown the guy. - No pun intended  

[nycdan]

5 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

I also think they’re going to pursue trading back in the first round.  With the athletic profile they’re going after in OL, why draft Becton when you can draft josh jones and get an extra 3rd rounder?  Just feel as if that’s where douglas will see the value.

Well Becton actually ran a faster 40 than Jones, while carrying 45 extra pounds, so there's that.  I would hope if we trade back it's for more than just a third round pick.  Otherwise, just take the best guy.

[Jetster]

34 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

JD absolutely could have gotten Conklin and paid $15 mil per and no one would think anything of it

Conklin has to be one of the most OVERATED free agents I can remember. So, if 14 million is a good price why is a coach that came from the Belichick way completely fine with letting him walk. 

All. Heard all offseason is Conklin, Conklin, Conklin, this guy is the Leonard Williams of Offensive lineman. Ridiculous. 

The funny thing is when Taylor Lewan was suspended for the 1st 4 games, the Titans Oline struggled, why? They still had the great Jack Conklin. 

Oline is also about technique & continuity to a scheme. Conklin was considered weak at pass blocking. We have a 22 year old accurate QB & we are definitely going to THROW THE BALL. 

Get over Jack Conklin. 

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, nycdan said:

Well Becton actually ran a faster 40 than Jones carrying 45 extra pounds so there's that.  I would hope if we trade back it's for more than just a third round pick.  Otherwise, just take the best guy.

I’m not sure douglas will see it this way.  He may also think that taking Ruggs and getting a decent OT in the 2nd is better than taking Becton and getting a wr in the 2nd.  The one thing that stood out in his pre combine presser was the desire to get playmakers who can score every time they touch the ball.  This philosophy is consistent with keeping Anderson, pursuing obj, drafting someone like Ruggs/Mims and getting faster at rb.  If getting an extra 3rd rounder means josh jones or Ruggs vs Becton, then yeah, i think he’d be in on this.

[T0mShane]

20 minutes ago, slats said:

Probably, but JD could also be very happy to have Conklin on Cleveland, maybe moving them away from OT at #10. If the rumor that JD and the Browns have been negotiating a trade for OBJ has any validity at all, that would mean that JD already knows that Cleveland could easily be in the market for a WR in the first round now. Paying your right tackle $15M is a lot. He's got Fant to swing for $10M, and may also be in a better position to draft a LT should Cleveland pass. 

Giving Baker his bestie CeeDee Lamb seems like a wise move 

[Adoni Beast]

1 minute ago, Augustiniak said:

I’m not sure douglas will see it this way.  He may also think that taking Ruggs and getting a decent OT in the 2nd is better than taking Becton and getting a wr in the 2nd.  The one thing that stood out in his pre combine presser was the desire to get playmakers who can score every time they touch the ball.  This philosophy is consistent with keeping Anderson, pursuing obj, drafting someone like Ruggs/Mims and getting faster at rb.  If getting an extra 3rd rounder means josh jones or Ruggs vs Becton, then yeah, i think he’d be in on this.

Ruggs is LEGIT. I don’t see a speedster track star who can’t ball. Dude can play. I’m sort of warming up to a WR in the 1st and a tackle in the 2nd.

[kdels62]

1 minute ago, Jetster said:

Conklin has to be one of the most OVERATED free agents I can remember. So, if 14 million is a good price why is a coach that came from the Belichick way completely fine with letting him walk. 

All. Heard all offseason is Conklin, Conklin, Conklin, this guy is the Leonard Williams of Offensive lineman. Ridiculous. 

The funny thing is when Taylor Lewan was suspended for the 1st 4 games, the Titans Oline struggled, why? They still had the great Jack Conklin. 

Oline is also about technique & continuity to a scheme. Conklin was considered weak at pass blocking. We have a 22 year old accurate QB & we are definitely going to THROW THE BALL. 

Get over Jack Conklin. 

No one is really bitching about Conklin. You’re the one who keeps saying “Conklin for $20 Million” which isn’t accurate and everyone here would’ve hated Conklin for $20 million. Conklin for $15 million would’ve had a very little reaction except a shrug and acceptance of the market.

[slats]

5 minutes ago, nycdan said:

I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say 'shored up nicely'.  Of the three moves, Lewis was simply brought back and he's pretty much at best average, Fant is somewhat of a question mark, leaving McGovern as the only clear upgrade.  So while it's far better than it was 48 hours ago, it's far from okay.With Beachum unsigned, we are still worse than last season, which is scary.  

I would characterize what JD has done is put us in position where two more signing, draft or FA, can make this line 'okay'.  If we didn't land McGovern, than all the draft picks in the world couldn't have done that.  But I think one way to look at this is, if our choice was between a) Conklin, b) Glasgow or c) Fant and McGovern, did we do the right thing adding two players instead of one better player? 

In our situation, maybe.

It's unusual in these parts, but it almost seems like the Jets are targeting a type of OL and executing that plan signing three athletic guys for reasonable deals before the draft where they'll certainly bring in some more. Before free agency, there was a lot of talk about fixing the OL almost exclusively thru the draft. JD's now given himself some flexibility and has plenty of room to make more moves. 

5 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

I also think they’re going to pursue trading back in the first round.  With the athletic profile they’re going after in OL, why draft Becton when you can draft josh jones and get an extra 3rd rounder?  Just feel as if that’s where douglas will see the value.

If JD trades down from #11 as his first act in the draft, I'll be pleased. If his free agency dealings are any indication, I'd expect him to get fair value in such a trade, too. 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, Adoni Beast said:

Ruggs is LEGIT. I don’t see a speedster track star who can’t ball. Dude can play. I’m sort of warming up to a WR in the 1st and a tackle in the 2nd.

So am i and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a draft of something like Ruggs in the 1st, an OT in the 2nd and someone like Pittman in the 3rd.

[THE BARON]

14 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Certainly fair and reasonable, but it just puts more pressure on the scouting/draft this year.

And that's the way it should be.  Will they perform ??? I sure hope so... 

[Big_Slick]

11 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Oh well, they think enough of him to franchise him. Just not at 35 million a year. 

They didn't give him the long term contract he wanted. Dallas will let him hit FA if he doesn't come through this season.