Popular Post TexJet Posted March 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 20, 2020 After watching Clowney play as a Texan, I would sign him in a NY minute. Living in the Houston area, watching every game he's played, while in Houston, I can tell you he is amazingly disruptive. Most people forget that Watt and Mercilus were injured for extended periods the last 2 years Clowney was in Houston. He became their primary pass rusher while playing the run extremely well. Those underselling him are either misinformed or just basing their opinions based on stats rather than watching him play. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I have to say let's do it - he'd be an immediate impact pass rusher. If we're not going to address CB with a big splash, the only way to make our ehhh CB lives easier is to hit the QB early and often. Clowney will give us that immediately He's also versatile enough for Gregg Williams to get creative with 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, LAD_Brooklyn said: This is far from true. It was Clowney who was by himself taking on the double teams. Watt play 6 games healthy and 8 games total out of the 32 games in 2017 & 18. Interesting. I just checked on the stats for Watt and was surprised to see that he was out as much as he was. He only played 16 games once in the past 4 years and 8 last year. The year he played 16 games he had 16 sacks, 18 tfl and 7 FF. Crazy stats. Clowney had one if his two seasons with 9 sacks that year. He definitely be benefited from Having Watt there. Clowney fell off of a cliff last year as far as the stats go. He's a good player but he's not the guy worthy of a $20 mil contract. That's for damn sure. Thanks for the clarification. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Looking purely at sack totals to judge Clowney or any other edge is not really a good idea. Many factors go into sack totals including luck. Some guys get 15 sacks 1 year and then 6 the following year. They didn't play worse, they didn't try less, they just didn't fall into as many sacks. Clowney is a complete player. A top tier DE worth a big pay day. I am not breaking the bank for him but if the price drops enough I am willing to lock him up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 17 hours ago, FidelioJet said: It’s like we don’t want good players for some reason. If the price is right he would immediately be the best player on the defense (yes, more impactful than Adams) Problem for me is Clowney strikes me as the type that won't be as productive once he gets paid. If we can guarantee that by spending $18M per we get a bigtime disruptive force off the EDGE, great. But we can't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 16 hours ago, varjet said: Clowney is not a guy you guarantee for more than a year. If you want him, you need to make a bet, but not more than a 1 year bet. These DL are mercenaries who sign one year contracts. Sheldon got 2, after a few 1s. There are no real EDGEs to draft, and we want to use the picks on other players that we can lock up for 4 years. It would taste lousy, but worth the shot. Problem is if you try to sign Clowney to a 1 or 2-year deal, he'll likely want a good bit more than $18M per year, even after lowering his price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 14 hours ago, GREENBEAN said: $15 mil and I'm in. $15 mil and one cent? I'm out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Just don’t see it unless it is like a one year “prove it” deal which is not happening. I think JD is waiting for the frenzy to die down and then you will see him make a few moves. Rumors have been floated about that Bulaga from Green Bay might get released. That would be a guy that I would hope JD would jump on 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Problem for me is Clowney strikes me as the type that won't be as productive once he gets paid. If we can guarantee that by spending $18M per we get a bigtime disruptive force off the EDGE, great. But we can't. There is no question that’s a concern and we’ve seen plenty of that lately. I would think the contract has to be short enough that he’ll have an opportunity for another one if he plays well. One year won’t get it done but maybe 2 years guaranteed full with a small cut value in year 3. He’s young enough that there’s def. another contract for him if he plays well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 "Good players should play here for less than market value. Average players should play for free. Bad players should pay us to play here." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 This was first postes by @Doggin94it Seahawks initial offer to Ja’Deveon Clowney was $18.5 million per year. nobody has offered above $20 million to this point. #Seahawks 218 1:38 PM - Mar 20, 2020 ------------ $18.5 seems fair. We can definitely afford to go higher but would that be a wise move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, LAD_Brooklyn said: This was first postes by @Doggin94it Seahawks initial offer to Ja’Deveon Clowney was $18.5 million per year. nobody has offered above $20 million to this point. #Seahawks 218 1:38 PM - Mar 20, 2020 ------------ $18.5 seems fair. We can definitely afford to go higher but would that be a wise move? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Well it is telling that the Seahawks offered him 18.5. Not having watched him play much after the trade, the low sack # is a concern. Obviously they feel it isn't a representation of his value. I like the splash factor of it, it would get Jets fans excited. Not that it makes it right for those reason. But one day they will make a splash and get it right, unlike past GMs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Maxman said: Well it is telling that the Seahawks offered him 18.5. Not having watched him play much after the trade, the low sack # is a concern. Obviously they feel it isn't a representation of his value. I like the splash factor of it, it would get Jets fans excited. Not that it makes it right for those reason. But one day they will make a splash and get it right, unlike past GMs. Keep him playing on 1 year deals. Everytime I've seen Clowney play he disrupts, it's not just about sacks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Depends. How much is he offering to pay us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 The big takeaway from that Seahawks offer is that it'll take more than that to get him to leave Seattle. So any hope of a further drop in his price is gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Problem is if you try to sign Clowney to a 1 or 2-year deal, he'll likely want a good bit more than $18M per year, even after lowering his price. So offer him a 3 year deal at $45 million with player option after the first season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 6:35 PM, Barry McCockinner said: He's a disruptive player who lives in the backfield against the run and the pass. Sack numbers aren't great but he's definitely an impact player. If the price is right I'd definitely sniff around. And in GW's system...never know, could be great 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themeangreenkillingmachine Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 6:35 PM, Barry McCockinner said: He's a disruptive player who lives in the backfield against the run and the pass. Sack numbers aren't great but he's definitely an impact player. If the price is right I'd definitely sniff around. Sounds like Leonard Williams. how bout we just draft another DT instead 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, themeangreenkillingmachine said: Sounds like Leonard Williams. how bout we just draft another DT instead How about no? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 5 hours ago, BroadwayJoe12 said: "Good players should play here for less than market value. Average players should play for free. Bad players should pay us to play here." I'm not sure that $20M is the market value for a guy with 3 sacks. Seems like the rest of the NFL doesn't think so either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Here's my proposal to Clowney: 5 yrs $100 million $25 million signing bonus Year 1 $7 million roster bonus, $2 million base, $5 million pro-rated SB. Cap Hit $14 Million Year 2 $7 million roster bonus, $3 million base, $5 million pro-rated SB Cap Hit $15 million Year 3 $8 million roster bonus, $4 million base, $5 million pro-rated SB Cap Hit $17 million Year 4 $7 million roster bonus, $12 million base, $5 million pro-rated SB Cap Hit $24 million If cut prior to year 4 it's a $10 million Dead Money hit, $14 million savings Year 5 $7 million roster bonus, $18 million salary, $5 million pro-rated SB Cap Hit $30 million If cut before year 5 it's a $5 million Dead Money, $25 million savings This is essentially a 3 yr $56 million deal. It pays him $44 million thru year 2 which is a great deal for him. It also gives the Jets an out after year 3 with substantial savings. It also keeps the cap number down the first 3 years as well. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, choon328 said: Here's my proposal to Clowney: 5 yrs $100 million $25 million signing bonus Year 1 $7 million roster bonus, $2 million base, $5 million pro-rated SB. Cap Hit $14 Million Year 2 $7 million roster bonus, $3 million base, $5 million pro-rated SB Cap Hit $15 million Year 3 $8 million roster bonus, $4 million base, $5 million pro-rated SB Cap Hit $17 million Year 4 $7 million roster bonus, $12 million base, $5 million pro-rated SB Cap Hit $24 million If cut prior to year 4 it's a $10 million Dead Money hit, $14 million savings Year 5 $7 million roster bonus, $18 million salary, $5 million pro-rated SB Cap Hit $30 million If cut before year 5 it's a $5 million Dead Money, $25 million savings This is essentially a 3 yr $56 million deal. It pays him $44 million thru year 2 which is a great deal for him. It also gives the Jets an out after year 3 with substantial savings. It also keeps the cap number down the first 3 years as well. I really don't want Clowney but if this were the contract I'd sign up for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Testaverde98 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Clowney is the " one piece away" signing. We arent. Fix he damn line and draft a pass rusher mid rds. Learn to draft 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbyblue Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 We can't get sidetracked buying broken goods. This is a 3 year draft by Douglas to become competitive. Fix the line with 2 more Draftees, one in the first one in the third. We can pick a good receiver in 2 take a swing in later rounds for corners and pass rushers. Get Robby signed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Philc1 said: So offer him a 3 year deal at $45 million with player option after the first season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyJersey Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 6:26 PM, Patriot Killa said: 18 mill per year. You in or out? Oh crap. I voted In before i saw $18mill. I would be out at that price. I would only be in at $15mill/yr/$30mill guaranteed/ dont care how many fake yrs are tacked on at the end. Could make it 10yr/ billion dollar contract with a $900mill 10th yr, only 2yrs of guaranteed money with that guy, and 70% chance he is cut next off season. Dude is an often injured Calvin Pace, but if he would ever live up to his potential, it would be with Greg Williams coaching him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 16 hours ago, Lupz27 said: Agents pissed they can’t use Jets to drive up the price of their players, or get the Jets to bid against themselves on a player. Agreed 100%, That post is about the best thing I could have heard. I absolutely love it even if we lose out on a few guys this year. Putting the world on notice that the parents have come home in Florham park and the party is over will go a long way toward ending the BS we've dealt with over the years. I can only imagine just how many times we've been used to raise prices for FA's that never had any intention of coming here. I can remember as far back as Reggie Nelson and it went on yearly from there. just the worst. Joe Douglas has some tough work to shed the reputation the Jets have had for a long time. Hearing things like that make me so hopeful that the works is already well on its way. Go Get em Joe!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 hours ago, GREENBEAN said: Agreed 100%, That post is about the best thing I could have heard. I absolutely love it even if we lose out on a few guys this year. Putting the world on notice that the parents have come home in Florham park and the party is over will go a long way toward ending the BS we've dealt with over the years. I can only imagine just how many times we've been used to raise prices for FA's that never had any intention of coming here. I can remember as far back as Reggie Nelson and it went on yearly from there. just the worst. Joe Douglas has some tough work to shed the reputation the Jets have had for a long time. Hearing things like that make me so hopeful that the works is already well on its way. Go Get em Joe!!! Although Douglas as a lot of making up to do over the Ryan Kalil, and Kelechi Osemele, debacle. I like how he’s doing things in F.A and signing good players on Jet friendly contracts. We aren’t paying Clowney $20+ mill per. He’s going to re-sign with the Seahawks. Lets see if this guy can draft, the roster is so broken, it’s going to take a couple of years to get it in shape anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 4:22 PM, kdels62 said: Has Clowney ever been arrested? Has Revis ever been arrested? But ignoring that, Revis should be arrested for robbing the Jets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Instead of Clowney I think I'd rather sign Everson Griffin and bring back Jordan Jenkins. I'd also draft an Edge rusher in Round 3-5....maybe a Weaver, Uche, or Willekes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Testaverde98 said: Clowney is the " one piece away" signing. We arent. Fix he damn line and draft a pass rusher mid rds. Learn to draft Yup...we're only 9 pieces away though, man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 The Jets subreddit starting to lose their mind. People gotta check sources, this page only has 1k followers. Probably been sniffing glue haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 years 16M per year with incentives that can make it go up $20 per year (ie probowl $18M and all pro $20M). Or 1 year at $18M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 hours ago, bla bla bla said: The Jets subreddit starting to lose their mind. People gotta check sources, this page only has 1k followers. Probably been sniffing glue haha Offer him two years at 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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