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1 minute ago, Mogglez said:

Why do you care about Josh Allen so much?  One quick look through your posts and it's easy to see that you are absolutely fixated on the guy.

I responded to the AFC east pecking order honestly and ppl acted like little girls because another team has a good qb? Its weird

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4 minutes ago, JetsMetsRangers said:

I think it is because of those 3 or 4 great decisions he made at the end of the playoff game against the Texans.........Great form getting sacked for about 100 yards and the fabulous form on the attempted lateral with the game on the line.....;)

 

Did you watch watsons 1st playoff game vs indy? Allen was light years ahead...

 

Isnt this a normal phase for young QBs not named mahomes? It's just strange analysis 

 

I mean I saw him make some insane throws for his 1st playoff game but hes still way too erratic. 

 

Favre was the same his 1st few yrs

 

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2 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

There's nothing to be insecure about. Josh Allen stinks. 

Ok

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9 minutes ago, JTJet said:

You're clearly an undercover Bills fan, but I will give it to ya straight. 

Ain't no Jets fans insecure about Josh Allen, we just have two eyes and know he sucks. 

Take that back to your Bills forum and sit on it. 

Because I admit another team has a great talent at qb...

 

Are u 10

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1 minute ago, JustEndTheSuffering said:

Nobody wants to admit that we’re in trouble right now. Every Jets fan thought that once the Pats reign came to an end we’d be the ones to take over the division. Guess what, the Bills are already a playoff team and the Phins might just be building something. The Jets have their work cut out for them but it can be done. 

I'd still rather have darnold.  All gase has to do is build the oline and not be a sociopath 

 

If he can manage those two things we'll be fine

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2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Please don't try and compare Allan to Watson.  

Or Favre

Thats just a dumb Bills fans POV.

 

Watson didn't look horrible vs indy?

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2 minutes ago, JTJet said:

You only bolstered MY argument with this. 

NFL scouts disagree with you...

 

You don't have facts you have feelings.  Hence the thread topic 

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5 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

The sky is falling.

 

It's been falling for 50 yrs...

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1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

You have to be 10 to think Allan is a great talent at QB.

Playing QB is more than throwing hard.  And other than throwing hard or running, Allan checks none of the other boxes of a "great talent"

So tons of media and NFL scouts for 2 years saw him as potentially #1 overall in 17 and 18... they are 10?

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2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Are dumb Bills fans this clueless?  You want to continue to talk one game to compare Watson to Allan.

 

Playoffs are a different animal and test. Why are you negating Watson's horrible 1st playoffs game?

 

Again its insecurities and not logical 

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1 minute ago, JTJet said:

Want to go by NFL scouts thought process? If that's the metric, they think Darnold is far superior than Allen, they did before, during, and after the draft. 

You don't want me to get out the statistical facts to prove you wrong, I assure you. 

 

I admitted I'd rather have darnold 

 

Thts not the topic.

 

Again pay attention because these responses are proving my point. Stop making us look soft

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Just now, Mogglez said:

Mel Kiper once said he'd retire if Jimmy Clausen wasn't a franchise QB.  That's who you are relying on to prove your point?

So you must be 100% correct in order to see general trends

 

Wtf

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Just now, Jet Nut said:

The same "tons of media and NFL scouts" who all had Darnold better coming into their draft?

Total BS, the overwhelming number had Darnold #1, most had Allan 3rd.  At best

 

I ALREADY TOLD YOU I THINK DARNOLD IS BETTER...

 

you're literally proving that point about being insecure 

 

I never even asked is Allen better lol

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Just now, TMAC said:

It's difficult to accurately assess a Quarterback who plays behind a line that allowed 52 sacks in a season.  (When the Jets won their one and only Super Bowl, the line gave up 9 sacks).  Let's give Sam a half way decent line and quality receivers and then make a judgment.  Right now, his selection in the Draft is one of the very few good things that Mike Maccagnan did.

The thread isnt about darnold 

The thread is why jets fans get butthurt when any other jets fans admits Allen is good or talented or had a good game 

Its ****in weird

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1 minute ago, Mogglez said:

What about a large raw project who was considered inaccurate with a large arm is considered a "trend"?

He has faults... not sure what your point is 

 

 

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1 minute ago, JTJet said:

Stop conflating arguments. 

Me saying Josh Allen blows and being able to prove that to you statistically, does not mean that I'm insecure about Darnold. 

It means I have two eyes, facts, and a correct opinion.

What did you prove statistically?

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1 minute ago, Mogglez said:

What's "f*ckin weird" is coming to a Jets forum to start a thread about Josh Allen because you got absolutely assmad that people thought he sucks in a thread discussing the AFC East. 

Why could you leave it in that thread?

I really feel our fanbase is truly effed in the head

 

It's just strange 

 

It's like tht guy at the bar constantly buy drinks and hes your friend... you love him but just shake your head

 

Thts how I feel about my jets brothers 

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2 minutes ago, JTJet said:

I said before that I could if you wanted me to. Clearly you do, so hold please. 

Who was the #1  rated qb on 3rd &8 or longer

Who had the highest conversion rate on 3rd and 8 or longer 

 

I'll wait

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Just now, Jet Nut said:

And why would you post this in response to me for responding to your post wrongfully claiming that tons of scouts had Allan over Darnold.  Which is total BS.

I'm not the insecure weenie who started a thread about a topic no one agrees with.

I said many scouts had Allen #1... what does that have to  do with darnold 

MANY Scouts also had darnold #1

 

your response again is proving my point

 

Its weird insecurities 

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Just now, ScarletKnight89 said:

Why do the Fins get the "they might be building something" tag but we don't? We have a young QB who granted, has a lot to prove, but certainly looks like he can play. We finally have a GM who is working on protecting him. We have some building block players on defense. Coming off a 7 win season I don't think we're in a terrible spot. 

I didn't watch Buffalo play last year and think they were light years ahead of us. Miami still has a lot of work to do. And we'll see what happens in New England. 

Because gase is a psychopath like ray liotta in unlawful entry....

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6 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

He was 11-5 in his first full NFL season.

29 of 49, 235 yards, 1-1

Horrible?  

 

What was the score

Garbage yards

 

Did you watch the game or....

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1 minute ago, Mogglez said:

Many scouts had Trubisky as head of his class.  What is your point with this?

You dont see scouting as a general trend?

 

Why wasnt darnold taken rd 7 if scouting means nothing 

 

Are u really this ...nm

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2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

But, but, but, I said I like Darnold better.

LOL

Facts...

Or feelings 

 

I can give you facts on why darnold is better 

 

Again not the topic

 

More insecurities 

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2 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

No scouting is not a general trend.  Players and their skillsets are unique every single year.  If we drafted on traits and raw ability alone, the whole league would suck.

Am I really what you absolute goober?  Say it.

Then you're saying you darnold could've gone rd 7

 

You literally cant be this dumb

 

Why do 1st rd prospects get invited on the 1st day lol

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4 minutes ago, freestater said:

The next time Josh Allen hits a receiver in the numbers will be the first time. Guys breaking stride for an outside ball, balls thrown at their feet, or wildly over their heads. The guy's accuracy simply isn't there. That's the one aspect of a QB's game that historically never gets fixed. I've said it before, Josh Allen is Jeff George with a better attitude. 

It's a made up narrative 

 

Try again 

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1 minute ago, freestater said:

Ruductio ad absurdum arguments reveal either intellectual dishonesty or ignorance. 

You saying there are not general trends IS A REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM argument 

It's like saying star ratings of restaurants do no reflect there general approval even tho outliers exist 

 

Fyi your philosophy undergrad vernacular doesn't mean you're intelligent 

 

But nice try

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2 minutes ago, JTJet said:

Thank you for waiting for that ONE random stat of no consequence. 

For your viewing pleasure, I present facts...

Darnold 512 for 855 with 59.9% completion rate. 5889 yards with 36 TDs to 28 Ints/5 fumbles (33 turnovers) Longest pass each season of 76 and 92 yards with 7 yards per pass attempt. 63 sacks. 

Allen 449 for 781 with 56% completion rate.  5180 yards with 30 TDs 21 Ints/22 fumbles (43 turnovers) Longest pass each season of 75 and 53 with 6.5 yards per pass attempt. 66 sacks.

Darnold was better in

Completed passes, Yards, TDs, Less total turnovers, Longer passes, Yards per completed pass, Taking less sacks. 

Allen was better in 

Less Interceptions.

And to twist the knife in your ribs even more, Darnold did all that in 2 less career games and behind the statistically worst line in the NFL. 

So what did we learn here? Darnold is better than Allen in every major QB category that matters. 

Tell your Bills buddies you failed at your mission. 

I already admitted darnold was better...

 

Not the topic loo

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3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

All while Allen has had better teams, more talent around him 

I agree....

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1 minute ago, KRL said:

There's nothing to be "insecure" about.  At this point Allen is the better QB
in terms of winning and has a better arm.  That doesn't make him a better QB
prospect long term.  Let's see Darnold behind a decent OLine with an actual
running game (which will open up play action).  Once that happens the gifts
that Darnold has (accuracy, mobility, calmness in the pocket, creating plays
off script) will separate him from Allen.  You can't teach accuracy, which
Allen doesn't have and on top of that their playoff game showed he rattles
very easily 

The inaccuracy narrative is simply false but I agree with everything else u said 

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Just now, Mogglez said:

Highlight videos with zero context in regards to how absolutely awful he was that day. 

Gotta love it.

He was so awful that he overcame fluke turnovers and dissected us in the 4th under all the pressure 

 

Keep going

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Just now, freestater said:

This guy's thought process....

I'll go start a thread and keep spouting my same sh*t over and over again and if anybody tells me that their opinion is different than mine that will prove they're insecure. 

stupid lloyd bridges GIF

Irony...

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1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

The arm strength is a non story because while Allen has a huge arm Darnold arm is stronger than most and strong enough to make every throw.  

Darnold wins out in all the categories that are important to playing the game

Allen is more talented.  That is undeniable 

Darnold I think will be better if gase is medicated

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1 minute ago, JTJet said:

False. You're trying to play a game each time someone responds to one of your very odd replies, where you deflect the argument. 

You presented one obscure stat your Bills pals told you in a Buffalo thread as if it proved Allen was a better QB about being the best QB at 3rd and 8 or whatever, as if that stat indicates anything. 

I not only crushed that argument, I obliterated it out of universal existence, never to be seen again, and you have no stats to back up a counter argument. 

You presented a false narrative from the very first topic post that Jets fans are insecure about Darnold vs Allen, as if we cry in the corner when they are compared.

Except the problem with your argument, is that no Jets fans do, we just all know that Allen isnt nearly as good as Darnold and we have statistical facts and eyeballs to prove that argument. Then YOU conflate that with being "insecure"..... because you're clearly a Bills fan.

I never said Allen is better lol

 

More insecurities 

 

3rd and long is extremely indicative of a qb that will be great

 

Try again 

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