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Translation:  You're insecure over Darnold vs Allen.

Couldn't even capitalize Darnolds name

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1 minute ago, Testaverde98 said:

I responded to the AFC east pecking order honestly and ppl acted like little girls because another team has a good qb? Its weird

Except hes not that good.  

 

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2 minutes ago, JustEndTheSuffering said:

I don’t know why you already have people saying Darnold is the savior and Darnold is guaranteed to be great. I like the guy and I think he’s got the tools but he’s proven almost nothing so far. Granted he’s been on some terrible teams but still, I’m going to need to see more. 

Because theyre fans?  

Not whiners who see nothing more than dark clouds around every corner and except him to suck?  

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1 minute ago, Testaverde98 said:

Did you watch watsons 1st playoff game vs indy? Allen was light years ahead...

 

Isnt this a normal phase for young QBs not named mahomes? It's just strange analysis 

 

I mean I saw him make some insane throws for his 1st playoff game but hes still way to erratic. 

 

Favre was the same his 1st few yrs

 

Please don't try and compare Allan to Watson.  

Or Favre

Thats just a dumb Bills fans POV.

 

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1 minute ago, JustEndTheSuffering said:

Nobody wants to admit that we’re in trouble right now. Every Jets fan thought that once the Pats reign came to an end we’d be the ones to take over the division. Guess what, the Bills are already a playoff team and the Phins might just be building something. The Jets have their work cut out for them but it can be done. 

The sky is falling.

 

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Just now, JustEndTheSuffering said:

I don’t think he sucks but I do think he needs to show us more before I can guarantee that I’ll see him win this team a Lombardi. I’m sorry that I’m not being a homer. 

I responded to you questioning why Jets fans like a Darnold over Allan with because they're fans.

 

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3 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

Because I admit another team has a great talent at qb...

 

Are u 10

You have to be 10 to think Allan is a great talent at QB.

Playing QB is more than throwing hard.  And other than throwing hard or running, Allan checks none of the other boxes of a "great talent"

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2 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

Watson didn't look horrible vs indy?

Are dumb Bills fans this clueless?  You want to continue to talk one game to compare Watson to Allan.

 

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2 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

So tons of media and NFL scouts for 2 years saw him as potentially #1 overall in 17 and 18... they are 10?

The same "tons of media and NFL scouts" who all had Darnold better coming into their draft?

Total BS, the overwhelming number had Darnold #1, most had Allan 3rd.  At best

 

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5 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

Playoffs are a different animal and test. Why are you negating Watson's horrible 1st playoffs game?

 

Again its insecurities and not logical 

He was 11-5 in his first full NFL season.

29 of 49, 235 yards, 1-1

Horrible?  

 

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6 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

I ALREADY TOLD YOU I THINK DARNOLD IS BETTER...

 

you're literally proving that point about being insecure 

 

I never even asked is Allen better lol

And why would you post this in response to me for responding to your post wrongfully claiming that tons of scouts had Allan over Darnold.  Which is total BS.

I'm not the insecure weenie who started a thread about a topic no one agrees with.

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10 minutes ago, JTJet said:

Because he is a Bills fan. I believe this 100%. 

And incapable of camouflaging it.

Thinks if he throws in a few "and I like Darnold better"s while posting that Allan is really good, comparing him to Watson and Favre that he can make the same favorable arguments that WayneCrebet80 used to make

And couldn't do better than use an old Jet players name with a year as his new account 

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6 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

Who was the #1  rated qb on 3rd &8 or longer

Who had the highest conversion rate on 3rd and 8 or longer 

 

I'll wait

But, but, but, I said I like Darnold better.

LOL

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4 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

What was the score

Garbage yards

 

Did you watch the game or....

I watch Allan over throw WR's

I see Allan skip balls in front of his WRs

I see Allan throw INTs on passes that are nowhere near his WRs hands

I don't see that from others.

Do you watch the games?

And will you stop the dumb assed attempt to convince people that youre a Jet fan?

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3 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

Then you're saying you darnold could've gone rd 7

 

You literally cant be this dumb

 

Why do 1st rd prospects get invited on the 1st day lol

WTF does this even mean?

 

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3 minutes ago, JTJet said:

Thank you for waiting for that ONE random stat of no consequence. 

For your viewing pleasure, I present facts...

Darnold 512 for 855 with 59.9% completion rate. 5889 yards with 36 TDs to 28 Ints/5 fumbles (33 turnovers) Longest pass each season of 76 and 92 yards with 7 yards per pass attempt. 63 sacks. 

Allen 449 for 781 with 56% completion rate.  5180 yards with 30 TDs 21 Ints/22 fumbles (43 turnovers) Longest pass each season of 75 and 53 with 6.5 yards per pass attempt. 66 sacks.

Darnold was better in

Completed passes, Yards, TDs, Less total turnovers, Longer passes, Yards per completed pass, Taking less sacks. 

Allen was better in 

Less Interceptions.

And to twist the knife in your ribs even more, Darnold did all that in 2 less career games and behind the statistically worst line in the NFL. 

So what did we learn here? Darnold is better than Allen in every major QB category that matters. 

Tell your Bills buddies you failed at your mission. 

All while Allen has had better teams, more talent around him 

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1 minute ago, Testaverde98 said:

 

He played like shlt in that game.

 

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1 minute ago, KRL said:

There's nothing to be "insecure" about.  At this point Allen is the better QB
in terms of winning and has a better arm.  That doesn't make him a better QB
prospect long term.  Let's see Darnold behind a decent OLine with an actual
running game (which will open up play action).  Once that happens the gifts
that Darnold has (accuracy, mobility, calmness in the pocket, creating plays
off script) will separate him from Allen.  You can't teach accuracy, which
Allen doesn't have and on top of that their playoff game showed he rattles
very easily 

The arm strength is a non story because while Allen has a huge arm Darnold arm is stronger than most and strong enough to make every throw.  

Darnold wins out in all the categories that are important to playing the game

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2 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

He was so awful that he overcame fluke turnovers and dissected us in the 4th under all the pressure 

 

Keep going

No, the Bills overcame a Jets team that lost key defenders that game and were playing with a QB who had mono.

The biggest play made by Allen that game was the bogus, horrible roughing the QB call on 3rd and long to set up their TD

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3 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

Allen is more talented.  That is undeniable 

Darnold I think will be better if gase is medicated

 

2 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

I never said Allen is better lol

More insecurities 

3rd and long is extremely indicative of a qb that will be great

Try again 

LOL

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3 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

Allen has great accuracy and anticipation. 

 

His issue is being Favre like erratic 

 

There's a difference 

 

 

Yeah.

These are the dumb things fans of a QB with little accuracy and no anticipation say.

OMG, this is so wrong 

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3 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

Lol

Did the mono strike in the 4th qtr...

Did losing one linebacker cause the meltdown 

 

Ok

Melt down?  

LOL

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4 minutes ago, GeorgeJetson said:

Lol the Bills rested their entire team week 17 and the Jets still almost lost (were playing mostly backups themselves to be fair). 

And what does two teams playing without their starters have to do with anything

 

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7 minutes ago, JiF said:

I honestly feel bad for Bills fans.  They're a passionate group of fans and have been miserable for along long time.  They're pretty loaded, seem to have a good coaching staff, front office seems competent for the first time in a long time, have had some good season (fools gold) but the only issue is Josh Allen.  He's the only thing holding them back and I'm sure that has to suck.  We know the feeling all to well. 

 

Its why they constantly come to a Jet board for validation.

And constantly bring up Darnold because not matter how they load up they know they'll always have to overcome Allens erratic play

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30 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

Lol

Did the mono strike in the 4th qtr...

Did losing one linebacker cause the meltdown 

 

Ok

Actually given mono causes lethargy, aches, pain, fatigue, fever, etc, yes, would feel worse as the game wore on.

Is that a LOL moment?

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10 minutes ago, Testaverde98 said:

Every qb misses throws. I can pull up tape on Rodgers missing throws 

 

It's a made up narrative 

Again what the fan of a QB with accuracy issues says

 

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8 minutes ago, hamat711 said:

good thing those numbers are wrong.

It's missing 17 TDs for Allen and over 1k yards.

Get back to me when Allen takes over a game with his arm, passing the ball down field.  

Get back to me when his arm is the best part of his game.  

Get back to me when he becomes more than a runner who dinks and dunks like a bigger version of Tyrod Taylor.

Get back to me when he manages to pass the ball for 300 yards or more.

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6 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Allen is at 56.3% completion on 781 attempts.  What skews this is the pass attempts.  Sam has 855 career attempts in 26 games while Allen has 781 in 28 regular season games.

Because the Bills are well-coached, run the ball so much and have installed an offense that fits Allens strengths, they have actually limited his attempts which makes his accuracy % even more misleading.

 

Playing with a lead, not trying to force the ball to get back into games instead of managing a game with short, safe passes also helps skew numbers

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2 minutes ago, JTJet said:

Personally I think the thread should be locked. It's a non issue and clear as day these two guys are Bills fans in the Jets forum here to rile people up. 

Both guys have borderline negative reps and are arguing mostly with people who have long documented history on here. If you look at their comment history there are a lot of negative Jets outlooks etc. 

They are just bored Bills fans sitting at home cooped up in a crappy town. 

Got to give them credit though

The original attempt to troll the board was based on the misconception that Jets fans are down on Darnold and insecure about him vs Allen.

This thread totally proves which fan base is insecure not only with Allen vs Darnold but with which team.

 

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3 minutes ago, JTJet said:

Indeed I did sir. Even with that, it still proves our point. 

Just shows Allen happened to fall on the ball a little bit more. 

Losing yards and killing drives

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4 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

However, the lengths some Bills fans will go to attack anyone who disagrees that he's the savior of their franchise is quite alarming.

In other words, they're insecure

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8 minutes ago, hamat711 said:

1. Taking over a game with his arm.......... He already has. 

2. He was drafted for his arm..... Nobody excepted him to be this good of a rusher.

3. LOL Josh Allen Dink and Dunk? His average depth of target was 1st his rookie year and top 10 in his 2nd year.

4. Yards are yards. Allen has more 300 total yard games than Darnold.

But let me know when........

Darnold has a winning record in the NFL

Darnold makes the playoffs

Let me know when you know what youre talking about. #s 1, 2 & 3 are wrong

The Bills are the better team, be happy with that.

Darnold is the better QB with the brighter future.  Deal with that

What did the Bills go, 18 or 19 years with no playoff games?

24 or so years without a playoff win?

 

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16 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

No no no.  He had 21 INTs from 2018 and 2019

He had 22 fumbles from 2018 and 2019

  21

+22

  43

This isn't hard.  Fumbles, even if recovered, matter as they usually kill drives and are an indicator of ball security issues.

With fewer attempts than Darnold

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8 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

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28 minutes ago, hamat711 said:

Again, that's not true.

If you are gunna include fumbles you have to include carries+ pass attempts.

Darnold has 931 pass attempts or rushes and he has fumbled or turned the ball over 44 times.

Allen has 971 pass attempts or rushes and he has fumbled or turned the ball over 43 times.

 

Even if you go by just passes...........

Darnold has a 4.2 interception rate. 36 ints on 855 attempts.

Allen has a 3.8 interception rate. 30 ints on 781 attempts.

 

Bro you are bad at math.

Please, stop quoting this guy, his numbers are just wrong.

I'm talking about INTs and pass attempts.

Simple comments to understand.  I wasn't talking about fumbles.

Stop spinning it around, you cant stick to one area of his game without digging into the need to spin to another area.  

INTs were brought up, I said on fewer attempts. Argue all you want

Youre bad at logic bro.  And the game bro.  Because bro, Darnold is the more talented player.  Plain and simple bro

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