My Top Guards In The 2020 NFL Draft

[Tony The Wiz]

Hello Jet Fans once more, 

I will be discussing guards and how they are crucial in that run game with the center. This year is a very deep talented group. There is one that overwhelms the others, but some of you will disagree with me that I listed him here. Now as we know, the Jets made some signings to help our much needed offensive line. We added beside McGovern, who will play either a guard or a center position, but others to this organization. We also signed Greg Van Roten, Josh Andrews and resigned Alex Lewis to help our interior line. So what is Mr. Douglas going to do in the draft?  McGovern looks like the center we needed, and Van Roten is signed for three years, so we expect him to man one of the guard positions. Lewis and Andrews are there to backup if there are injuries, or for just a needed rest on the field. We also still have Harrison and Winters. So what is our GM going to do? We all know OT is the priority, but that is for another day.  So I say either draft a guard, or a center with one of our 3rd round picks.  So here goes with my Guards evaluation,

One point before I go. In 2019 NFL Draft there was 12 guards selected. In 2018 there was 9, in 2017- 11, and in 2016 there was 13 guards drafted. In my opinion, there will be at least 13 guards drafted. Now in 2019 there was only 1 guard drafted in the first round, Chris Lindstrom, and that was it for either the first or 2nd round. Now, I am not talking about either centers or offensive tackles who got converted into guards. 

Just one more thought, I am not one to hear all this mumbo jumbo from these talent experts, when they talk about "bending the knees," "gets over extended," "needs to vary his punch approach," "redirect steps are a little tardy," "Body control can get away from him," "Finds his target and pathway as climb blocker" and my two best "He feels small on the field" and "he needs to keep his feet from deadening in mirror phase."  WHAT?!!!  Could you please explain these last two?  Small on the field when the guy is near 6' 3" and 310 lbs.  Whatever happened to just plain slow, not strong enough or laterally not quick afoot. Please already, there are "five things you needs as a good football player, the talent, the commitment, the toughness, desire to win and get better, and the love for the game and your teammates".  That would be my Motto for a winning football player. Most of these other mumbo jumbo faults they talk about, these experts could get fixed by either diet, stretching, ways to get stronger like weight lifting or isometrics and basic coaching.   

 

1. JEDRICK WILLS, JR - ALABAMA - I know I am going to get the hateful comments from this players fans saying he is an OT. Look, when I watched the Bowl game against Michigan, he was getting abused with rushes around him. He wasn't quick enough. Now I noticed, he came into the Combine lighter than what he was playing at. Could he play OT?  Yes he can. and he will get an opportunity to, since his arms are long enough at 34 1/4 inches. They use to say if you have arms 33" or lower it is to short to play tackle. So Joe Thomas arms was 32 1/2 inches and Jason Peters 33 1/4 inches was too short?!  End of that theory.  So Wills, in my estimation, if he plays guard would be 3 times more that he will be an all pro guard than a tackle. He was considered the Best blocking tackle in college football. I do say him and Wirfs was nose to nose, when it came to that feature of their game.  In my estimate he is a TOP 5 GRADE GUARD.

 

2.  SHANE LEMIEUX - OREGON -  He is my number 2 guard in the draft, and he is as solid as a rock. Just put the film on this 6' 4" 310 lbs blocking machine. His movement laterally is excellent, and he holds bull rushes right in their track. He was a leader for that offensive line at Oregon, and he is tough. Put the Auburn game on, and this will convince you. He can drive a defender after engaging for yards. He is big chested tough dude. He never seems to be off balanced and stands his ground. His pass protection is excellent.   LATE 1ST TO REAL EARLY 2ND     30-35 

 

3.  ROBERT HUNT - LOUISIANA - He was injured this year, so I didn't see any of him. So I had other guards here at 3, but when I seen tape on him I said Wow!!  He is a player. I think he could play either guard or tackle.  He actually reminds me of Willis, since they played him at Right Tackle. To be honest, I think he is quicker than Wills, and he is carrying 323 lbs at 6' 5". I watched him in a few tapes but the Mississippi Tape is what opened my eyes. That is also why I see him as a better guard. He drove a defender at least 8 yards down the field. And I don't mean a safety or small linebacker. He is a Bull. If he didn't get injured and if he played guard for a Big 10, SEC, PAC 12 or an ACC team he would be easily a first round pick. EARLY 2ND ROUND PICK

 

Now for my 4th pick I notice many other websites, or these so called experts, have John Simpson, Solomon Kindley or Netane Murti. They may be all good players but right now I have to stick to what I see. And there were three players that I watched, who were nasty son of a guns. Here are my three.

  

4. BEN BREDESON - MICHIGAN -  You have to love players who have an edge to them. And he does. You can't put this man down. At 6' 5" and 315 lbs he has the perfect body, and desire of a potential all pro guard. He impressed at the Senior Bowl, and he went to the Combine. He didn't perform any drills, but we seen his hand measurement was large at 10" 1/8 inches. When watching him in games like Michigan St., you see his first step is quick, and he tries to turn the defender, so the ball carrier has that hole to go through. I watched that number of times, as well as some Pancakes he delivered to some of these defenders. His run blocking is much better than his pass blocking, but it is still above par. He has a knack of hitting the defender with his hands to slow his bull rush, and than he engages him. He is not the swiftest of foot, but he makes it up with effort.   MID TO LATE 2ND RD GRADE

 

5. LOGAN STENBERG - KENTUCKY - If two guys can be identical on how they play, it is he and Bredeson.  If you watch the first half of the Florida game, against a tough defense, you watch this bear of a guard pancake some of the defenders. And again I am not talking about the secondary. I watched him quick enough to pick up a stunt, and actually block two separate defenders. I also watched him on a downfield screen go quick enough to get downfield to block.  Look, he doesn't look athletic, but this Junk Yard Dog just gets the job done. Remember people, Kentucky lost their QB early, and then their backup, and their star wide receiver became the QB. And every game this team was a one-trick pony offense, and they became a bowl eligible team, because of the blocking of Stenberg, and his teammates. I watched them beat Virginia Tech, just throwing a handful of balls in the game.  Like his clone Ben, Logan is 6' 6" and 317 lbs and 10"1/2 inches    MID TO LATE 2ND RD GRADE

 

6.  DAMIEN LEWIS - LSU -  What was most people saying when watching him and his buddy Cushenberry open holes in the ground game at the Senior Bowl? I know what they were saying. Both players are high draft choices. Lewis is a mauler. He will put you on you back, Period. He does remind me of a baby Rhino when he is full steam ahead. You don't want to be in his way. He is 6' 2" and 332 lbs. And he blocks so low to the ground. He is a ground game specialist. Both him and Cushenberry best trait is that drive and power. So I went back to watch the Auburn game, one of my favorites of the year. Talking about two bulls facing off, with his body going at Derrick Brown. You got to watch that match up. Lewis almost got his head knocked off trying to block Brown one on one. But it shows you how great Brown is going to be. Now don't get me wrong, Lewis had some one on one wins against Brown.  But in the ground game that is where Lewis shines.            LATE 2ND TO EARLY 3RD RD.   He reminds you of 3 time Pro Bowl Larry Warford.

 

7.  CALVIN THROCKMORTON - OREGON - Boy was he bad in the Senior Bowl as a left tackle. But we found out that this is not his position. He is a wonderful blocker but he can't contain that wide pass rush. Some think he is better for center. But I haven't ever seen him play that position. Now is measurements are 6' 5" and 318 lbs. He was invited to the Combine.       MID 3RD TO LATE 3RD ROUND GRADE

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So now I got my top 7 Guards, and I have to go back to my notes. And I got all kind of names. Like the three I mentioned before...........Simpson, Kindley and Muti. And I have issues with all three of them. All three are highly rated. I just can't see it with Kindley, who moves like a snail, or he has his shoes in cement. Or Simpson, who looks like he is off balance, on most every play. And for Muti, how many games has he played in the last two years?  5 total games due to two injuries.  A ruptured Achilles in 2018, and than a Lisfranc Foot injury. And we know what those fractures to the feet for football players becomes. A call to the doctors office.  So others I considered for my 8th guard was Jonah Jackson of Ohio St., John Phillips of Boston College, and Justin Herron of Wake Forest. And many others.  But I went back to my notes on the Combine, and a player that impressed me a lot, but I needed to see more film on him. And what do you know....................Bingo !!  The Player 

 

8.  JOHN MOLCHON - BOISE ST.  -  No one has this player ranked here. Why? Because he don't play for Clemson, Georgia or Ohio St.. I put on three different tapes on him versus Utah St, Washington, and the first game of the year against Florida St.. And I didn't see one bad play made by him, or by his teammate Ezra Cleveland. Number 76 and 77 was fantastic, but the other parts of their line needed a lot of help.  Molchon for me, is as surprising as Cleveland. These two will perform well in the NFL. Lets get to some measurements. He is 6' 5" and 310 lbs, and Jet Fans in that Florida St. game the right tackle got injured, and Molchon was moved to tackle, and did an excellent job there to. Now I know why he was impressive in the NFL Combine.  Oh by the way, he ran a 5.10 Forty, and did a vertical jump of 34". And 26 Reps of 225 lb bench press.  MID TO LATE 3RD ROUND GRADE

 

9.  DANNY PINTER - BALL ST.  -  He actually played tackle this year, and is 6' 4" 308 lbs with 31 7/8 arms. He was invited to the NFLPA Collegiate Game, and was one of the better lineman in this game. He was invited to the NFL combine, after being voted by many outlets as the top lineman in the MAC Conference. HE played tackle really well, and was excellent in run offense, as well as pass blocking. He could be a find. He is a solid player.      LATE 4TH ROUND GRADE

 

10. KEVIN DOTSUN - LOUISIANA- When watching Robert Hunt play, you noticed number 75 right next to him. And you started to say, I got to watch more of him on film. He was invited to the East-West Shrine Game after being selected 1st team all conference guard. And when there, he was very impressive. In fact, Daniel Jeremiah said he was the best lineman performing. And with that I do agree. You know when I evaluate guards, I just want to see them engaging, and moving their defender backwards, and I want to see if they are able to move laterally, and not look like their feet is stuck in cement. And this bear of a young man, just has that quickness for his weight. He weighs 313 lbs and is 6' 4". I don't know how he was not invited to the NFL Combine. He deserved it.      EARLY 4TH ROUND GRADE        But He Is My Riser Prospect and Could Move Up. 

 

11. JON RUNYAN - MICHIGAN - We all are familiar with that last name. His dad played as an offensive tackle in the NFL. So he has the blood lines. Now at Michigan, he played OT, so we know he could pass block. I love the athletic OT, that moves inside since you know he has quick feet. So Jon could also play tackle if an injury occurred. He is not as big as his dad was, but he still has nice size at 6' 4" 1/4 and 306 lbs. His hands are small at 9/1/8, but he does have 33 1/4 arms. So tackle could also be a fit for him. He was very impressive in the East-West Shrine Game, and is a solid player. He moves well laterally, and has the toughness to excel.  His 5.08 Forty was about right for his size. And he is a perfect teammate.  LATE 4TH ROUND 

 

12. JOHN MURPHY - RHODE ISLAND - An FCS player who dominated for his team, and and a big reason his team achieved 3,500 Yards passing, and 1000 yards rushing. Hey guys, every time I watch him he impresses. He was invited to the Combine, but where I did notice him was in the East-West Shrine game, and went up against a top DT  from Utah. And you guessed right. Murphy was dominant.  He even has a nasty way about him. So lets now go through his measurements. He is 6' 3 1/4" and 316 lbs and has 10 inch hands. But he also has nice size arms at 33 7/8, so again this is an offensive tackle playing guard. He has the quickness for both, and could get down field to deliver a clearing block. I really like what I see from his film. LATE 4TH ROUND

 

13. MICHAEL ONWENU - MICHIGAN - I watched a lot of Michigan football this year, and every time I watch this player shines.  First he is 6' 2 5/8" and 344 lbs.  But also he has big hands at 10' 1/2" and long arms at 34 3/8 inches.  He is like hitting the unmova,ble object. He is more stout than Damien Lewis, and both are that ground game specialist. But what impressed me about him was at the East-West Shrine game, and his pass protection. He really improved his draft status in this game.   LATE 4TH ROUND GRADE

 

14. SIMON STEPANIAK - INDIANA -  I watched him at Indiana this year, before he got injured with is knee. Tough break for this kid, who was having a wonderful year as was his team. He missed his bowl game, which I watched playing Tennessee. He is 6' 4" 315 lbs with big hands at 10"3/8 and 32 inch arms. When looking at his tape, he really looks good in pass protection. I actually like him better at that than the run game. He doesn't give up on a play I noticed. He was invited to the Combine, where he only performed one drill, since he is still mending from his injury. And the drill he performed he aced. It was the 225 lb bench press, which he showed you he is a strong hombre. He achieved 37 reps. Pretty strong indeed.  EARLY 5TH ROUND GRADE

 

15. DAISHAWN DIXON - SAN DIEGO ST. - A big size guard who I watched when I watched Ismael at center. He is really impressive in pass protection, and is also a fine blocking guard for the running game. He was not invited to the combine, but was chosen as 2nd team all conference guard. He did get invited to the East-West Shrine game for is excellent play this year. He was voted 2nd team all Mountain West Conference guard. Now when I got to watch him in that East-West Shrine game Dixon had to go against the best player that performed in the practice sessions, McTelvin Agim of Arkansas, and basically shut him down when facing him. That was impressive in its right.   EARLY TO MID 5TH ROUND

 

16. HAKEEM ADENIJI  - KANSAS  -   He was voted 1st Team All Big 12 Conference. He was a senior who is 6' 4" 305 lb Guard, with 10 inch hands and 33 3/4 arms. Most NFL Teams project him as guard, but you getting an experience OT if you ever in the pinch. He attended The NFL COMBINE and fared well. He also was invited to the Senior Bowl, and once again he looked good. When looking at him at Tackle, I see why you want him at guard. He is better in a box than out there trying to block on the outside. He looks more like someone better in a two yard circumference, and when he tries to block some one wide he is not quick a foot.     MID 5TH RD GRADE

 

17. NETANE MUTI - FRESNO ST - Look, watching his tape he has some great blocking ability. He is really quick and nasty. I mean this guy will pancake you twice if he can.  Let us first look at his physical nature. He is 6' 3" and 315 lbs, and I notice his forty time states it is 5.34. When watching him on that field, I would like to see what his 10 yard split is. Because his burst around for a sweep block, or a screen is just quick as a bullet. Look people, on tape he looks like an early to mid second round pick. It is, can we trust him to take the field. So how do I grade this guy? So I will say from  LATE 2ND ROUND TO LATE 5TH ROUND.  It is all about the trust, and medical factor. Foot injuries could be tricky.    

 

18. JOHN SIMPSON - CLEMSON -  Most experts have him the number 1 or 2 guard. I just don't see it. He doesn't have the quickness, and looks off balance. Now he does able to stop a defender in front of him, or block him directly. But when going side to side he looks uncomfortable. I put on the Ohio St. game, and he was not good at all. I even went to look at some highlights of the North Carolina game, and I seen the same. Finally, I put the Syracuse game on, and he fared a lot better. But my question to the football experts, Simpson went to the Senior Bowl and he looked terrible in practices, how do you have him ranked this high? If I draft him, it has to be put in a zone blocking concept. But he will still worry me in the passing game.  6TH ROUND GRADE

 

19. CORDEL IWUAGWU - TCU - Another player who looked good in the East-West Shrine Game, and showed his ability as a blocking guard for the run game, and he looked good at pass blocking. He was invited to the Combine, and did lift 25 reps of 225 lbs. And he has nice hand size and arm length with 10 1/8 and 33 3/4 inches.  He does have injury problems in the past but he played all 12 games this year.  LATE TH RD TO MID 7TH RD 

        

20. JONAH JACKSON - OHIO ST. -  1ST Team All Conference big 10. Has all the accolades, but seems a little slow a la John Simpson. At 303 lbs you would think he would be quicker, He is pretty strong doing 26 reps at the combine, but it is his lateral movement is hurts him talent wise. More of a zone blocker concept. He does have big hands at 10 1/2 inches,  and he needs those hands to get to the body of the defender before the bull rush. Some outlets rank him in the top 5 guards. I don't see it but maybe with some work in an NFL camp can diminish his faults   LATE 6TH ROUND TO LATE 7TH ROUND. 

 

So that is my 20 Guards for this draft, but there will be Tackles that will drop into the guard spots, Such players that would of been on my list is Ben Bartch, Jack Driscoll, and Charles Saahdik who if not drafted as an OT may than go to guard. Others that I was considering, like tackles who didn't play guard this year, Justin Herron of Wake Forest, Tyre Phillips of Mississippi St. and Julian Good- Jones of Iowa St.

 

 Tony

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[nycdan]

Great write-up as usual, Tony.  I don't expect us to draft a Guard anywhere in the top four rounds but some of these guys do look intriguing if they drop below their value-points.  And from Round 5 on down, Guards always seem to be available and potentially valuable so this was good to get familiar with some of the lesser known names.

One nitpick, it's Jedrick Wills, not Willis.  

[Tony The Wiz]

1 minute ago, nycdan said:

Great write-up as usual, Tony.  I don't expect us to draft a Guard anywhere in the top four rounds but some of these guys do look intriguing if they drop below their value-points.  And from Round 5 on down, Guards always seem to be available and potentially valuable so this was good to get familiar with some of the lesser known names.

One nitpick, it's Jedrick Wills, not Willis.  

Thanks, I seem to always do that.

[GREENBEAN]

34 minutes ago, Tony The Wiz said:

Just one more thought, I am not one to hear all this mumbo jumbo from these talent experts, when they talk about "bending the knees," "gets over extended," "needs to vary his punch approach," "redirect steps are a little tardy," "Body control can get away from him," "Finds his target and pathway as climb blocker" and my two best "He feels small on the field" and "he needs to keep his feet from deadening in mirror phase.  WHAT?!!!  Could you please explain that these two?  Small on the field when the guy is near 6' 3" and 310 lbs.  Whatever happened to just plain slow, not strong enough or laterally not quick afoot. Please already, there are "five things you needs as a good football player, the talent, the commitment, the toughness, desire to win and get better, and the love for the game and your teammates".  That would be my Motto for a winning football player. Most of these other mumbo jumbo faults they talk about, these experts could get fixed by either diet, stretching, ways to get stronger like weight lifting or isometrics and basic coaching.   

I loved this post. Thanks Wiz.  

One thing I'll say is that I have begun to get into OL evaluation the past two years. I consider myself a novice and I'm nowhere near the knowledge of many other posters or evaluators but I am learning and find it fascinating to break the OL positions down.  I like your comments on what I see as getting lost in the sauce. Too many details sometimes. I like statistics, in my limited way, and look to them often but I see so many times when they nit pick to such a degree that they lose the fact that a guy is a damned good football player. I don't mean to sound like I'm pissing on anyone's cornflakes, but I think analytics can lose sight of things sometimes. 

I do like guys who bend at the knees over their hips though  

 That said, I happen to disagree on Kindley. I like him. He needs time but he is an absolute animal who takes well to coaching. Poor balance and tecnique can be worked on. His violent disposition can not be created. He just has it. he's a back up for the first 3 years of his career min but if he gets with a team who develop OL well, he has the potential to be a real value to a team. 

Throckmorton is one of my favorite players in the draft. He's so smart they call him Doc Throck. He will literally do anything for the team which is why he started at 4 OL positions over his collegiate career. 4!  He's definitely not going to make it as a tackle and I see him as a G/C as well. I read something about C potentially being his strongest position. Very interesting. 

You have a few guys I have not really looked into yet and I appreciate the info. I'm gonna go bug out on some of these guys right away. lol 

Good stuff man. Thanks! 

[jetsons]

10 hours ago, nycdan said:

Great write-up as usual, Tony.  I don't expect us to draft a Guard anywhere in the top four rounds but some of these guys do look intriguing if they drop below their value-points.  And from Round 5 on down, Guards always seem to be available and potentially valuable so this was good to get familiar with some of the lesser known names.

One nitpick, it's Jedrick Wills, not Willis.  

Another nitpick... Wills IS a Tackle Not a guard... although he can surely play both.  He's the Best pass blocking Tackle in this draft... he'll be a Much Better Pro @ the Tackle position.

[NYDreamer]

I would take Cushenberry in the second and Lewis with the early third.  I would take the tackle in the first.

[Tony The Wiz]

10 hours ago, GREENBEAN said:

I loved this post. Thanks Wiz.  

One thing I'll say is that I have begun to get into OL evaluation the past two years. I consider myself a novice and I'm nowhere near the knowledge of many other posters or evaluators but I am learning and find it fascinating to break the OL positions down.  I like your comments on what I see as getting lost in the sauce. Too many details sometimes. I like statistics, in my limited way, and look to them often but I see so many times when they nit pick to such a degree that they lose the fact that a guy is a damned good football player. I don't mean to sound like I'm pissing on anyone's cornflakes, but I think analytics can lose sight of things sometimes. 

I do like guys who bend at the knees over their hips though  

 That said, I happen to disagree on Kindley. I like him. He needs time but he is an absolute animal who takes well to coaching. Poor balance and tecnique can be worked on. His violent disposition can not be created. He just has it. he's a back up for the first 3 years of his career min but if he gets with a team who develop OL well, he has the potential to be a real value to a team. 

Throckmorton is one of my favorite players in the draft. He's so smart they call him Doc Throck. He will literally do anything for the team which is why he started at 4 OL positions over his collegiate career. 4!  He's definitely not going to make it as a tackle and I see him as a G/C as well. I read something about C potentially being his strongest position. Very interesting. 

You have a few guys I have not really looked into yet and I appreciate the info. I'm gonna go bug out on some of these guys right away. lol 

Good stuff man. Thanks! 

I think Kindley should play center. This would be his best position. He definitely needs to be in a zone blocking scheme. And yeah some of their lingo is just too much, 

[Larz]

Thanks Tony !!’

if gase is indeed going to incorporate wider splits, is there a mid round guy who fits that more than the others?

[Tony The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, Larz said:

Thanks Tony !!’

if gase is indeed going to incorporate wider splits, is there a mid round guy who fits that more than the others?

Kevin Dotsun, Jon Runyan, and Netane Muti who when looking at them are athletic and laterally quick enough. 

[Lil O]

10 hours ago, GREENBEAN said:

I loved this post. Thanks Wiz.  

One thing I'll say is that I have begun to get into OL evaluation the past two years. I consider myself a novice and I'm nowhere near the knowledge of many other posters or evaluators but I am learning and find it fascinating to break the OL positions down.  I like your comments on what I see as getting lost in the sauce. Too many details sometimes. I like statistics, in my limited way, and look to them often but I see so many times when they nit pick to such a degree that they lose the fact that a guy is a damned good football player. I don't mean to sound like I'm pissing on anyone's cornflakes, but I think analytics can lose sight of things sometimes. 

I do like guys who bend at the knees over their hips though  

 That said, I happen to disagree on Kindley. I like him. He needs time but he is an absolute animal who takes well to coaching. Poor balance and tecnique can be worked on. His violent disposition can not be created. He just has it. he's a back up for the first 3 years of his career min but if he gets with a team who develop OL well, he has the potential to be a real value to a team. 

Throckmorton is one of my favorite players in the draft. He's so smart they call him Doc Throck. He will literally do anything for the team which is why he started at 4 OL positions over his collegiate career. 4!  He's definitely not going to make it as a tackle and I see him as a G/C as well. I read something about C potentially being his strongest position. Very interesting. 

You have a few guys I have not really looked into yet and I appreciate the info. I'm gonna go bug out on some of these guys right away. lol 

Good stuff man. Thanks! 

I agree.  I also read that his best position is center.  I actually think we will take a tackle at 11 a wide receiver with our second pick, and I think we might target a center in the third or fourth rounds, and move McGovern to guard.  Van Roten and McGovern would make a nice duo at guard.

[Lil O]

Amazing post as usual Big T!!

[32EBoozer]

11 hours ago, Tony The Wiz said:

Thanks, I seem to always do that.

ND is usually a perennial producer of very good OLmen. What a drop off year for ND. 

Hope they are able to restock the line this year (if there is a this year)

[rangerous]

good list.  pretty deep draft class too.  the jets should be able to get some good depth and possibly a mid season starter without too much trouble.

[Tony The Wiz]

1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said:

ND is usually a perennial producer of very good OLmen. What a drop off year for ND. 

Hope they are able to restock the line this year (if there is a this year)

The Problem with Notre Dame are 2 obstacles. First one is their strict guidelines when it comes to academics. Don't you notice some of the best players going to the worst academically schools. Now the list I am talking about does not includes Universities like Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St., USC, Texas, Florida, Wisconsin and Miami all perennial top football Universities who are in the Top 75 Colleges by USA News. 

The 2nd problem is their head coach. He is not a great recruiter. And Notre Dame knew this when they hired him. They meaning the Athletic department and school wanted discipline with their head coach. And they got that. I am not a Kelly fan and Notre Dame should move on from him and then maybe they get a coach who can go out and get those high school players who was going to Ohio St, Michigan or Penn St..      

[32EBoozer]

1 hour ago, Tony The Wiz said:

The Problem with Notre Dame are 2 obstacles. First one is their strict guidelines when it comes to academics. Don't you notice some of the best players going to the worst academically schools. Now the list I am talking about does not includes Universities like Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St., USC, Texas, Florida, Wisconsin and Miami all perennial top football Universities who are in the Top 75 Colleges by USA News. 

The 2nd problem is their head coach. He is not a great recruiter. And Notre Dame knew this when they hired him. They meaning the Athletic department and school wanted discipline with their head coach. And they got that. I am not a Kelly fan and Notre Dame should move on from him and then maybe they get a coach who can go out and get those high school players who was going to Ohio St, Michigan or Penn St..      

They don't get many Fla, Ca., Tx, Georgia, S.C. talent. Maybe they hire an assistant that is a great recruiter? Not his son!

[bitonti]

I agree about Wills. Something about the guy as a LT/RT prospect feels off. JD will hate his penalty prone nature. Most are saying Thomas is the OT4 I suspect it might be Wills. Nice post, dude.

[GREENBEAN]

8 hours ago, Lil O said:

I agree.  I also read that his best position is center.  I actually think we will take a tackle at 11 a wide receiver with our second pick, and I think we might target a center in the third or fourth rounds, and move McGovern to guard.  Van Roten and McGovern would make a nice duo at guard.

I would love that. The Center group seems to be pretty strong this year. It would be epic to come out of this draft with Becton/Thomas, Mims/Shenault and Ruiz/Hennesee. or something like that with our first three picks.  If we do that I'm gonna be REEEEALLY happy this time around . 

[Tony The Wiz]

On 4/10/2020 at 7:10 PM, GREENBEAN said:

I would love that. The Center group seems to be pretty strong this year. It would be epic to come out of this draft with Becton/Thomas, Mims/Shenault and Ruiz/Hennesee. or something like that with our first three picks.  If we do that I'm gonna be REEEEALLY happy this time around . 

I see a Thomas or Wirfs in the first and a Pitman or Raegor in the 2nd. 

[GREENBEAN]

11 minutes ago, Tony The Wiz said:

I see a Thomas or Wirfs in the first and a Pitman or Raegor in the 2nd. 

Right.  I was thinking Pittman as a 3rd as recently as two weeks ago, but he seems to be picking up some steam at the moment. That could simply be he media finally catching up, but Pittman is almost a sure thing imo. I'm fairly certain the NFL scouts have been all over that far longer than the press. 

I'd take Reagor over Aiyuk, but not Mims/Shenault/ Pittman.  The big target piece is important. Especially when those three can add "size". with their arm lengths and high point abilities. I love those guys for the Jets and hope we are able to grab one.