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Just now, T0mShane said:

It’s going to take a massive marketing push to make any of this work, because the logistics are impossible to sort. Fortunately, the NFL has a lot of practice selling acceptable risk with the whole concussion scandal that nobody ended up caring about

It's not even their call. If governors or mayors say no, the owners don't even have much of a say. Newsome already said even if there is a season, people need to start preparing for it to start late, and there most definitely will not be crowds.

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2 minutes ago, 20andOut said:

Covid is speeding up the already approaching death of movie theaters. AMC and Regal about to go bankrupt. Many Broadway theaters, most of which were were already in bad financial shape, will be done.

I have a friend who is a director named Vivian Benesch. She runs a theater in North Carolina called The playmakers theater, and one of the shows they did last year was moving to Broadway. The show is called Birthday Candles starring Andre Brougher (sp?).  It has been cancelled, meaning my friend is out of her first Broadway show as a director, and the playwright will not have their play done....not on broadway.  It was supposed to be at The RoundAbout theatre.  I was Andre’s understudy....one of three gigs cancelled.  But My situation is not special. There are people who have it far worse. We’re all in this together!

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8 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Also on this note, keep this in mind: Forget the crowds completely. Just think about a game itself on the field. Think of the amount of supplies that go into making sure one professional football game happens. All the little things. Now think about the idea that all it takes is one little slip from just one person in the supply chain of all those supplies for all those single games. How in the hell do you make that work?

A slip in the supply chain doesn't necessarily mean that a player will get COVID. The assumption is that by the time football season comes there will be very few people with COVID. Obviously if COVID is rampant at that time you can't start the season.

 

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1 hour ago, JetFan20 said:

I think it’s a very real possibility the NFL season will be cancelled. 

Restaurants and Bars need to open soon. It’s a trillion dollar industry that cannot survive an 18 month shutdown. 

Realistically I think we are all back to work by May under restrictions:

Suspend all non-essential air travel

Reduced seating/capacity in bars and restaurants 

Draft Beer and Drinks to be served in disposable plastic cups 

Food served on disposable plates/utensils 

All retail outlets institute rules/guidelines similar to what  supermarkets are doing

No large gatherings (sports, concerts, 10Ks until further notice)

Gyms continue to close (workout outside)

Beaches close 

Barber Shops/HairSalons can open up

Hotels/Motels can open up

Realistically the greatest public health risks are the the sports and entertainment/airline industry. Both can survive an 18 month shutdown.  

 

 

 

You want the gyms closed but the barber shops can be open, where a person actually breathes on top of you?

 

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9 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

It's not even their call. If governors or mayors say no, the owners don't even have much of a say. Newsome already said even if there is a season, people need to start preparing for it to start late, and there most definitely will not be crowds.

I could see there being limited capacity crowds, but I think all of these governors, mayors, etc will yield to public pressure and start to stand down. The antibody testing and tracking will go a long way toward making it easier, at least in terms of public perception, to open bars and restaurants, and the like. It’s not going to be whether you’re invulnerable, it’s going to be whether you think you’re invulnerable enough to go sit down and eat chicken parm at your faviorite Italian spot. I don’t think they’ll let us pack 80k into the SuperDome, but they’ll let us stick 50 people into a restaurant, or maybe 15,000 into MetLife by late Fall.

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1 hour ago, Savage69 said:

Zeke Emanuel brother of Rahm Emanuel former mayor of Chicago also said the country should be shut down for 12 to 18 months. He's always been a nut case..

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/07/ezekiel_emanuel_us_must_stay_locked_down_for_12-18_months_until_theres_a_vaccine.html

It's a pity, but this whole thing has become a political football.

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4 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

It's not even their call. If governors or mayors say no, the owners don't even have much of a say. Newsome already said even if there is a season, people need to start preparing for it to start late, and there most definitely will not be crowds.

Fake news. By the end of May, they'll be multiple companies with same day, or even instant result test kits. It will be easy to find out what player, or any employee has the active virus. Roster's will probably be expanded, and if someone tests positive, they'll be isolated, like Darnold was last year, with Mono. If crowd size is reduced by 50% and fans in attendance are required to wear N95 masks, risks will be minimal. I don't want to sound insensitive, my heart go's out to everybody who has lost someone from from this virus, but the reality is, this virus at this point is well under control, and if everybody follows the guidelines, it will be a non-story by the end of the year. Other than the economic impact. Which is huge

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11 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I could see there being limited capacity crowds, but I think all of these governors, mayors, etc will yield to public pressure and start to stand down. The antibody testing and tracking will go a long way toward making it easier, at least in terms of public perception, to open bars and restaurants, and the like. It’s not going to be whether you’re invulnerable, it’s going to be whether you think you’re invulnerable enough to go sit down and eat chicken parm at your faviorite Italian spot. I don’t think they’ll let us pack 80k into the SuperDome, but they’ll let us stick 50 people into a restaurant, or maybe 15,000 into MetLife by late Fall.

So we actually know a few things about this very topic: The speculation about possible public pressure is vastly overstated because of vocal minorities on the internet. Majority of public opinion, at least for now, and especially at the state and local levels, is very behind current efforts. Large majorities feel current efforts are necessary and in fact of the 15-30% of people who are not satisfied with current efforts, majorities of that think states and cities aren't doing enough. We are publishing this below study pretty soon and I can tell you that almost every single other polling firm is finding similar results:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-10/support-for-stay-at-home-order-remains-high-even-as-income-dwindles-for-half-of-la-households

At least for now, the public pressure that you are speculating does not exist. I understand that people on the internet think it does, but y'all are not representative of political pressure (crazy, I know).

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2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

So we actually know a few things about this very topic: The speculation about possible public pressure is vastly overstated because of vocal minorities on the internet. Majority of public opinion, at least for now, and especially at the state and local levels, is very behind current efforts. Large majorities feel current efforts are necessary and in fact of the 15-30% of people who are not satisfied with current efforts, majorities of that think states and cities aren't doing enough. We are publishing this below study pretty soon and I can tell you that almost every single other polling firm is finding the same results:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-10/support-for-stay-at-home-order-remains-high-even-as-income-dwindles-for-half-of-la-households

At least for now, the public pressure that you are thinking of does not exist. I understand that people on the internet think it does, but y'all are not representative of political pressure (crazy, I know).

Thanks for sharing this.  I’ll check it out. 

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Thanks for sharing this.  I’ll check it out. 

Also to note, TIPP, SSRS, Yougov, Ipsos, even Gallup...etc. Reputable firms across the board using different methods have all been yielding similar results with national level surveys. Even rural America seems to finally be coming around.

Again, that's not to say things don't change. But public opinion during crises takes time. If they say NFL has to start later or be canceled over summer, it's hard to imagine things swaying heavily the other way by then. Maybe a little, but not a ton.

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7 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Oh jesus christ. Shut up. This exact phrase is a big reason why we're in the ******* thing we're in now. 

Lol. Wake up, and talk facts. Is Japan, and Italy, and the 150 other countries in the shape their in  because of what we didn't do here.

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1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Also on this note, keep this in mind: Forget the crowds completely. Just think about a game itself on the field. Think of the amount of supplies that go into making sure one professional football game happens. All the little things. Now think about the idea that all it takes is one little slip from just one person in the supply chain of all those supplies for all those single games. How in the hell do you make that work?

You could say that for everything.

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2 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

We need to start to push back before this becomes a thing. See article below

a) we should test outside the stadium much like we check for alcohol coming in.

b) need therapeutics in summer to help treat folks 

c)football without fans would never be the same 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.phillymag.com/news/2020/04/09/coronavirus-nfl-season-eagles-zeke-emanuel/%3famp=1

I have been to just about every Jets home game since 1988. I have never had anything that made me think I don't want to go, until this. I am not sure I will be there, I will have to be convinced that it is safe. I definitely wouldn't push back though, as long as it is an actual Doctor or Science saying to stay away, I will listen. I would push back against politicians saying it is safe if the medical community disagrees.

2 hours ago, TeddEY said:

So, you want 80K tests administered outside of a stadium, and then we'll wait for results?  Do we line up on Tuesday?  And where do these tests come from, as sick people can't even get them if they're not sick enough?

Also, what do we do with all the people exposed by the person who tested positive?

Duh, they have a covid only section and they aren't allowed to buy concessions. They have to leave after everyone else.

This model works, I put a no peeing section in my pool and the results have been fantastic.

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2 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

This is the same general sentiment that has been out there from the get go.  It's not really new, it's just packaged in a way to directly mention the NFL.  I'm sure many health professionals share his opinion.  I'm sure others don't.

He's talking about large crowds.  The season can exist without large crowds. Will it?  I don't know.  I've read both sides of it.  I tend to believe they will play without crowds over cancelling

 

I think that is what is going to happen. Baseball is going down that road first.

2 hours ago, JetFan20 said:

 

No large gatherings (sports, concerts, 10Ks until further notice)

 

At least the Mets can still play in front of their normal crowds.

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So who ends up with Trevor Lawrence? Bengals get the default 2021 #1 overall pick?
I think if they did this which I do not believe they will. I think by the time the season is getting ready to start we will be through the most painful parts of this virus already but got arguments sake of they did they would need to do a lottery system for the draft next season.

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Let me preface this by saying I think this virus is a very serious situation and I am 100% in favor of all the mitigation steps that have been taken.  I think that's clear in my posts in the various threads on the subject.

That said, I am of the belief that we as a whole underestimate how quickly things can change.  And how quickly things can change for the better.  I think on a national level this all became recognized and treated as major issue in early March.  That seems like ages ago, but in reality it's been 6 or 7 weeks.  The strides that have been made since then really are quite impressive if you think about it.  I'm not necessarily talking about the social distancing, I'm talking about the scaling up of testing, positive news on potential medications etc.

I don't think it's out of the question that there are several medications in place by fall that severely diminish the severity of this virus.  Couple that with testing capacity and implementation that are light years ahead of where we are now, and it will be a much different fight(I hope).  So different that 80k will be able to fill a stadium?  I doubt it honestly, but being able to have 400-500 people spread out in a stadium to pull off a game and put it on TV?  I think that's very possible.

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1 hour ago, 20andOut said:

Covid is speeding up the already approaching death of movie theaters. AMC and Regal about to go bankrupt. Many Broadway theaters, most of which were were already in bad financial shape, will be done.

It sucks when people lose their jobs, but f**k movie theaters.  How do they go broke that quickly when it costs $20 for a popcorn and coke?

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

It’s going to take a massive marketing push to make any of this work, because the logistics are impossible to sort. Fortunately, the NFL has a lot of practice selling acceptable risk with the whole concussion scandal that nobody ended up caring about

Fans can't catch concussions.  Not without jumping through a table, at least.

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3 hours ago, Jets723 said:

The most important thing is safety. If they do it without anybody is the stadium that’s better than nothing 

So what do they do? Test every player every 15 minutes?  No contact?  2 hand touch? 

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I am amazed at just how quickly some are willing to give up their freedoms for perceived comfort or promised safety!

Think on this... just last year 80,000 Americans died/transitioned as the result of the seasonal flu.

Indeed there was no attempt to conflate numbers, like now, by saying if you had a bad heart and died while having the flu that your death was in fact "caused" by the "flu."  If they had done that just last year that 80,000 number could have easily been raised to 165,000 deaths

The idea that we are to turn in our neighbors if their not wearing a mask outside, or while running alone on a park path and/or have what amounts to a scarlet letter for those who have come into mere "contact" with someone who may have had the virus is insanity to me.

Please pay attention to the economic reset that it happening right in front of our collective eyes, now that is something to pay attention to!

Let's Go Jets!!

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7 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

I am amazed at just how quickly some are willing to give up their freedoms for perceived comfort or promised safety!

Think on this... just last year 80,000 Americans died/transitioned as the result of the seasonal flu.

Indeed there was no attempt to conflate numbers, like now, by saying if you had a bad heart and died while having the flu that your death was in fact "caused" by the "flu."  If they had done that just last year that 80,000 number could have easily been raised to 165,000 deaths

The idea that we are to turn in our neighbors if their not wearing a mask outside, or while running alone on a park path and/or have what amounts to a scarlet letter for those who have come into mere "contact" with someone who may have had the virus is insanity to me.

Please pay attention to the economic reset that it happening right in front of our collective eyes, now that is something to pay attention to!

Let's Go Jets!!

Yes tomorrow is Easter!  Everything is opening tomorrow with a big bang. Or haven't you heard?

 

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You don’t have to be a socialist to want to help take care of your citizens during a pandemic. If not how do they live. As for those trillions that’s a lot of money. And you need verifiable oversight on all of it. If you’re a conservative then you should be for that. 

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