freestater Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 24 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: I am amazed at just how quickly some are willing to give up their freedoms for perceived comfort or promised safety! Think on this... just last year 80,000 Americans died/transitioned as the result of the seasonal flu. Indeed there was no attempt to conflate numbers, like now, by saying if you had a bad heart and died while having the flu that your death was in fact "caused" by the "flu." If they had done that just last year that 80,000 number could have easily been raised to 165,000 deaths The idea that we are to turn in our neighbors if their not wearing a mask outside, or while running alone on a park path and/or have what amounts to a scarlet letter for those who have come into mere "contact" with someone who may have had the virus is insanity to me. Please pay attention to the economic reset that it happening right in front of our collective eyes, now that is something to pay attention to! Let's Go Jets!! If the seasonal flu had this transmission rate, we'd be treating it just as severely. We'd have no choice. The fact that rates are as low as they are despite half the country needing to be dragged kicking and screaming, aredueto the extraordinary measures. The more we do now, the shorter the duration and less likely that we need to lockdown again with the second wave. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Rangers9 said: You don’t have to be a socialist to want to help take care of your citizens during a pandemic. If not how do they live. As for those trillions that’s a lot of money. And you need verifiable oversight on all of it. If you’re a conservative then you should be for that. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 The seasonable flu btw has a vaccine. And years of medical experience dealing with it and still thousands annually die. But not millions. Until a vaccine and more time dealing with it mitigation is what works. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: The seasonable flu btw has a vaccine. And years of medical experience dealing with it and still thousands annually die. But not millions. Until a vaccine and more time dealing with it mitigation is what works. It’s going to be minimum one year from now before a vaccine is fully gone through all the tests then you have to mass produce the vaccine then you have to distribute it then you have to get billions of people vaccinated oh and in the meantime insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies will want to get paid since their bottom line isn’t always aligned with the people’s best interest So when will this be over? 2-3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Philc1 said: It’s going to be minimum one year from now before a vaccine is fully gone through all the tests then you have to mass produce the vaccine then you have to distribute it then you have to get billions of people vaccinated oh and in the meantime insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies will want to get paid So when will this be over? 2-3 years They've already said they're going to mass produce vaccines before the vaccines are approved so that when they get approval they can distribute immediately. Worst case they just toss them out. Lol at thinking it will be 3 years before we're done with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: They've already said they're going to mass produce vaccines before the vaccines are approved so that when they get approval they can distribute immediately. Worst case they just toss them out. Lol at thinking it will be 3 years before we're done with this. pharmaceutical companies are going to risk losing hundreds of millions of dollars mass producing vaccines that aren’t yet FDA approved? we can’t even mass produce nearly enough facemasks lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Crazy idea; wait and see. Let's see where this mess is say, around May 1st, before making any grand pronouncements. More data is better. Without getting political, if Ezekiel Emmanuel, a man who admits lying openly in the run up to Obamcare, told me the sun was coming up tomorrow morning, I would have to check for myself. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said: Restaurants operate on such thin profit margins that reduced seating capacity would not be feasible. Seen articles that roughly 70% of bars and restaurants will not come back, even if everything opened up May 1st. One thing we also need to consider; not all part of the country as affected as NY. Could see NFL teams training in places other than their training sites. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 3 hours ago, T0mShane said: I think this is why they’ll find a way to play at least eight games. Lawrence is going to be the most coveted prospect since Peyton Manning. No way they can arbitrarily decide who gets the rights to him. If he does nt play this season is he NFL eligible?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: The seasonable flu btw has a vaccine. And years of medical experience dealing with it and still thousands annually die. But not millions. Until a vaccine and more time dealing with it mitigation is what works. There is still no vaccine for Aids just drugs that keep it in check.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Philc1 said: It’s going to be minimum one year from now before a vaccine is fully gone through all the tests then you have to mass produce the vaccine then you have to distribute it then you have to get billions of people vaccinated oh and in the meantime insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies will want to get paid since their bottom line isn’t always aligned with the people’s best interest So when will this be over? 2-3 years What you’re saying could be true. Because a pandemic doesn’t end just because you want it to or you’re tired of it. There are smarter solutions more testing and tracing. This is a century when there’s going to be major catastrophes we’ve already experienced some. Like this one if you’re unprepared you spend more of your gnp and many more deaths. But it seems like we still haven’t learned that lesson. There’s no evidence of foresight. Not a good legacy for our kids your 401k if that’s all you care about might not go so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bugg said: Seen articles that roughly 70% of bars and restaurants will not come back, even if everything opened up May 1st. One thing we also need to consider; not all part of the country as affected as NY. Could see NFL teams training in places other than their training sites. The mlb plan needs to be the template Put everything in the Southwest and shorten the season. No fans in attendance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Savage69 said: There is still no vaccine for Aids just drugs that keep it in check.. A vaccine already exists for coronavirus but it will take at least 1 year for it to be tested and FDA approved And no there is no way to cut corners and expedite. The trials have to 100% precise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Philc1 said: pharmaceutical companies are going to risk losing hundreds of millions of dollars mass producing vaccines that aren’t yet FDA approved? we can’t even mass produce nearly enough facemasks lol Government is throwing away trillions but you somehow think they won't foot the bill for a few hundred million on vaccines that appear to work in initial testing? "Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Health, has announced that a vaccine developed by NIH scientists could go into production before clinical trials finish. It it’s effective, they’ll have a head-start on production; if it fails, they’ll have to scrap any vaccines they’ve produced." Plus you won't even need vaccines for every single American. Those that already have antibodies and young children likely won't need one right away. Give to the elderly and at risk groups first and you're pretty much eliminating the risk of running out of hospital beds/ventilators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Savage69 said: There is still no vaccine for Aids just drugs that keep it in check.. But those drugs worked and had trials and scientists know dosages etc. and side effects. Who should take them and which drugs. The ones currently being tested for Corona at this point are unproven. There have been no verifiable results unless you want to listen to Dr Oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 ehh I’m going to mentally prepare myself there isn’t a season. Honestly there prob won’t be. Man 2020 really stunk it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: The seasonable flu btw has a vaccine. And years of medical experience dealing with it and still thousands annually die. But not millions. Until a vaccine and more time dealing with it mitigation is what works. And if you’re scared or are at risk you should should stay home. The rest of us should be able to take reasonable precautions and move on with our lives. We won’t have a country left if we hide to wait for a rushed, untested vaccine. realistically, we need the young and healthy to get the virus and recover to begin to create the herd. If anything they should start college fb early 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, kevinc855 said: ehh I’m going to mentally prepare myself there isn’t a season. Honestly there prob won’t be. Man 2020 really stunk it up There probably wont be an election if its still this bad in September. So there's also that to keep in mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 16 minutes ago, Bugg said: Seen articles that roughly 70% of bars and restaurants will not come back, even if everything opened up May 1st. One thing we also need to consider; not all part of the country as affected as NY. Could see NFL teams training in places other than their training sites. Thank God I work for a really good restaurant group. We've had Lebron James, Jimmy Fallon at our restaurant. I think we'll come back but there are places, especially in the outer boroughs that will have a tough time. Restaurant wages are already pretty low. I wonder what they're going to be when we go back to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, LionelRichie said: And if you’re scared or are at risk you should should stay home. The rest of us should be able to take reasonable precautions and move on with our lives. We won’t have a country left if we hide to wait for a rushed, untested vaccine. realistically, we need the young and healthy to get the virus and recover to begin to create the herd. If anything they should start college fb early If you open up society during a pandemic people work in groups, take mass transportation schools are in session you have parks open and sporting events and concerts. Shopping malls etc. You could have mass casualties that would affect everyone. Like people in nursing homes, hospitals etc. They would easily be infected like now. If you don’t want a repeat or worse of 1918 you have to close shop and need mass testing and follow up before you reopen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, LionelRichie said: And if you’re scared or are at risk you should should stay home. The rest of us should be able to take reasonable precautions and move on with our lives. We won’t have a country left if we hide to wait for a rushed, untested vaccine. realistically, we need the young and healthy to get the virus and recover to begin to create the herd. If anything they should start college fb early Good luck relying on the general public to take "reasonable precautions." You let people do what they want and you'll have packed subways and packed places of worship tomorrow and you are back on lock down in a few weeks. I think a slow and planned return to normalcy can work. But not one that relies on every day people to develop their own plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 This guy is a grade A ahole. Wants to bring this country to its knees for political reasons using the coronavirus as the vehicle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 57 minutes ago, Philc1 said: I’m sorry.... I’ll go all in on Green New Deal, reparations, carbon tax and loan forgiveness. What was I thinking. You lead the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Rangers9 said: And you need verifiable oversight on all of it. If you’re a conservative then you should be for that. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, Cyberjet said: This guy is a grade A ahole. Wants to bring this country to its knees for political reasons using the coronavirus as the vehicle Who are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibby Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 4 hours ago, T0mShane said: I think this is why they’ll find a way to play at least eight games. Lawrence is going to be the most coveted prospect since Peyton Manning. No way they can arbitrarily decide who gets the rights to him. So..... they’re going to play eight games??? So they can decide who gets the rights to one college player? How many players and coaches and ancillary thousands of other people involved - and the entire decision based on one person? Way too early to decide one way or the other on playing or not playing or how many games- but Trevor Lawerence will have zero impact on that decision 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 56 minutes ago, Matt39 said: There probably wont be an election if its still this bad in September. So there's also that to keep in mind. If Wisconsin is any indication, I’m surprised they’re not trying to move the election up to next week. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: Who are you talking about? Doc Zeke from the article 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: If Wisconsin is any indication, I’m surprised they’re not trying to move the election up to next week. I was kidding. But I think making any sort of proclamation right now seems silly. Can’t believe Wisconsin went ahead with that though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, T0mShane said: If Wisconsin is any indication, I’m surprised they’re not trying to move the election up to next week. The speaker of the Wisconsin House one of those guys who sued the Governor for trying to postpone the election was wearing a ppg head to toe at his polling place while telling everyone how safe it was as they waited up to five hours on line in the cold and rain. Do you think maybe some people decided to skip it especially when in Milwaukee 5 out of 180 polling places were open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said: I was kidding. But I think making any sort of proclamation right now seems silly. Can’t believe Wisconsin went ahead with that though. Definitely. It’s going to be interesting to see how this ends up. A million different forces pulling in different directions. You’d think something will give. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: The speaker of the Wisconsin House one of those guys who sued the Governor for trying to postpone the election was wearing a ppg head to toe at is polling place but telling everyone how safe it was while they waited up to five hours on line in the cold and rain. Do you think maybe some people decided to skip it especially when in Milwaukee 5 out of 180 polling places were open. It was truly disgusting and indefensible. And to see five SCOTUS justices play along with it was terrifying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, T0mShane said: It was truly disgusting and indefensible. And to see five SCOTUS justices play along with it was terrifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: The campaign ads write themselves sometimes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 FFS the season is months away. Just let them practice, do their OTAs and preseason and keep the fans out then start the season like normal. If everything isn’t back to normal by then we’ll have a lot bigger issues then football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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